Adding Legacy Tattoo to Mog Station

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Originally Posted by ElHeggunte

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Aw crap, you're right. My mistake! ^_^ I still think new players who didn't play 1.0 shouldn't get anything from 1.0, though.

All problems can be solved if I throw enough money at my screen right?

The Sylph Goobue mount and especially the Moonlet earring (a 1.0 special event) pretty much shows SE's view on 1.0 exclusivity.

The only issue with the tattoo is the technical limitation of it since it can't be toggled on/off in the aesthetician and you have to go through a round about way to see it. Util they find a way to make implementing tattoos easier I doubt we'll see any other type of tattoos in the shop, legacy or not. Then again, I'm no computer coder

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Originally Posted by myahele

The Sylph Goobue mount and especially the Moonlet earring (a 1.0 special event) pretty much shows SE's view on 1.0 exclusivity.

The only issue with the tattoo is the technical limitation of it since it can't be toggled on/off in the aesthetician and you have to go through a round about way to see it. Util they find a way to make implementing tattoos easier I doubt we'll see any other type of tattoos in the shop, legacy or not. Then again, I'm no computer coder

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You mean typing /lmark?

I'm not legacy due to the fact that this game was never released on the PS3. Yeah I do like the legacy tattoo but I don't think I deserve it. I wouldn't support throwing it in the cash shop at all. What I would support, however, is an in game tattoo shop to give our characters tattoos.

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Originally Posted by ElHeggunte

The tattoo didn't require any monetary expense outside of buying the initial game and making a character. I never paid for any sub time and I didn't even know about the legacy campaign until it was too late to start paying for it and yet my original character still has the tattoo.

The tattoo was literally just for existing during 1.0. You could have made a character on day one and never played it after that and they would have gotten the tattoo.

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So does my original character on my old account. When ARR dropped I started fresh on a new account as I barely even got to do anything in 1.0 before RL picked up.

The Mog Station was introduced with ARR. It doesn't deserve a legacy tattoo.

Wait what?

you can't be serious...

I know why I hate the MogStation. I don't have a Legacy Account so no really need that tattoo since it should stay be Legacy-Exclusive like Chocobo and Gobbue.

#justmy2cents

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Originally Posted by DreameR7g

Wrong time and place. Back then in the 1.0 era, XIV almost died (and almost took SE down along with it). We supported SE through thick and thin. Not just because it is a popular game, like some new players are doing now. That is what makes it different and what gives our support (and thus our rewards), meaning.

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Actually it was the Final Fantasy 13 series that saved S-E during that time.
Not that I think we should get legacy stuff, but other people supported S-E too

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Originally Posted by Rikkustrife

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That was part of it, yes. However, for XIV itself, we helped keep that division running. For that ALONE, we deserved the legacy stuff. Then it came out later that the failure of XIV was weighing heavily on SE. Thankfully 13 along with the 1.0 supporters helped keep SE afloat long enough to release ARR.

Obvious troll.

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Originally Posted by Titor

So you would discredit my entire RP character on the simple fact that I meta IRL did not know that the game existed a few years ago? That is quite extremely limiting. I watched a lot of cutscenes from 1.0 and read up on the past lore. As far as I care, my character was there.

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Ok so your character was there hmm?
So can you tell me what Urianger told us when we first saw him and how he first appeared?
How about the first time we saw Dalamud and watched it grow, did you see that first hand or through screenshots?
Or the first time we saw the Lambs of Dalamud, do you remember where they showed up and where they took us?
Also I'm sure you remember When Nael Van Darnus first started showing up what he was offering us & what he was searching for.
(waits while you go look up what happened... >_>)

No matter how many videos you watched or posts you read online about what happened your character is not an Original Warrior of Light & and never got to truly experience what is was like to see this story unfold in front of you. By asking for the exact same tattoo you are pretty much saying we (the 1.0 players) don't deserve to show how we survived the Calamity & saved Eorzea. "Look to those who walked before, to lead those who walk after..."

What's wrong with having a different tattoo, why does it HAVE to be the Meteor one?
If you want to RP you were in 1.0 fine go ahead doesn't effect me any, but you want to have a mark that is suppose to identify players from 1.0 when you aren't one, no ask for another kind of tattoo.

I frankly loved the portion of 1.0 when atomos showed up in different camps like rivers meet and such completely destroying rmts. Ahhhhhhhh good times good times

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Originally Posted by Teppie

A very ridiculous request.

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No.


/10char

All characters created from 2.0 onwards are introduced as they first arrive in Eorzea, meaning your starting city isn't even your character's birthplace as far as the game's concerned, let alone that your character was in Eorzea during the calamity. If you're so much as RPing that your character is a native of Eorzea, you're already creating an alternate story contrary to the lore of the game. You might as well demand that we have a pay option to have alternate cutscenes and NPC dialog that treats us as natives of Eorzea. "Feasibility" aside, the concept is the same, and has no bearing on the amount of "suspension of disbelief" required in order to do so without a pay option to alter the game's code for your character.

If roleplayers can RP their character as a native without having to rely on the game to back them up, surely the same can be done with the meaning behind the tattoo.

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Originally Posted by Teppie

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As a legacy player, I honestly couldn't care less if they give it out or not. Mostly because no one ever sees it anyway. >_> That being said they need to add more body tattoos in general.

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Originally Posted by Xerius

As a legacy player, I honestly couldn't care less if they give it out or not. Mostly because no one ever sees it anyway. >_> That being said they need to add more body tattoos in general.

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It's not the fact that it can't be seen, it's that there are so many people who keep asking for the Legacy only perks to be made widely available.

I definitely agree that we need more body tattoos that aren't specifically tied to a certain clothing option.

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Originally Posted by DreameR7g

That was part of it, yes. However, for XIV itself, we helped keep that division running. For that ALONE, we deserved the legacy stuff. Then it came out later that the failure of XIV was weighing heavily on SE. Thankfully 13 along with the 1.0 supporters helped keep SE afloat long enough to release ARR.

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The only thing you paid for was a cheaper lifetime subscription and your name in credits most people skip(and to support a game you had high hopes for). Anything else anyone who played 1.0 could have gotten without paying a dime. Even if you played 1.0 and you decided to make a new character you don't get to keep the tattoo. "Legacy tattoo" is just a name. It has nothing to do with Legacy status.

Legacy tattoo is for people that played 1.0 whether it was for a day or a longer period of time, if you did not play it you don't get that tattoo. It not like some glamour item, anyone that a final fantasy fan most likely knew about the game and probably played it at some point during 1.0 life stage as a mention at start of post. Generic MMO players or others that couldn't be bothered to buy the game for $10 (which that is what walmart was selling it for at one point) don't deserve to have the tattoo.

As a non-legacy, I don't agree with this at all, because one of the things I like about this game is how immersive and dynamic the lore is because of those players that were actually there to experience past events that took place before the story even began, so to speak. To me, that's something special that this game has that no other mmo on the market can claim rights to, and is a symbol of how close XIV came to total failure and how well it's bounced back since. That being said, the legacy tattoo has a link to the lore that, if tossed up on the cash shop, would cheapen both the symbol and lore behind it as well as being a slap in the face to players that experienced 1.0. I hope SE never considers selling it.

I wouldn't mind having a body tattoo option in character creation/aesthetician, however. As long as there's nothing similar to that particular tattoo included in the options, I think it would be a great idea and would allow us a little bit more originality with our characters' looks, especially if we could edit the color of the tattoos and/or even layer them. More customization options is always a good thing.

One thing that gets to me about threads like this though, is that I don't think anyone should reserve the right to tell other people that they "don't deserve" something, regardless what that something is. It's rude and condescending and reeks of special snowflakeism. If that player knew about 1.0 and made a conscious decision to not play, then yeah, maybe they don't deserve it, but only because they had the opportunity and didn't make the effort. But how does anyone presume to know that a player who wasn't able to play during that time for whatever reason, or didn't even know the game existed, wouldn't have made the effort to be involved if given the chance? No, that person doesn't not deserve it, they simply missed out.
(This goes for any exclusive item, not just legacy things. And no, I don't believe that they should always be given the item or a chance to get the item just because it's unfair they missed out, I think that with some things if you miss out you just miss out and that should be end of story. I just don't equate someone missing out on an opportunity due to things beyond their control to them automatically not deserving the rewards. Not deserving implies that they didn't and wouldn't even try if they had the chance.)

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Originally Posted by Cynric

The only thing you paid for was a cheaper lifetime subscription and your name in credits most people skip(and to support a game you had high hopes for). Anything else anyone who played 1.0 could have gotten without paying a dime. Even if you played 1.0 and you decided to make a new character you don't get to keep the tattoo. "Legacy tattoo" is just a name. It has nothing to do with Legacy status.

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You left out the Legacy chocobo, which is tied to legacy membership along with the subscription and the option to put your name in the credits. But you're correct about the tattoo only requiring that the character existed before 2.0.

Sort of interesting, given that the opening cutscene implies that characters sent forward in time (who would have that tattoo) also had a chocobo with that same mark on their beak, while that isn't actually the case in the game itself. (Non legacy members on their 1.0 characters not having the legacy chocobo/chocobo with the tattoo on its beak)

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Originally Posted by Sakuraluna

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That's an incredibly good point, I didn't think of it that way.

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Originally Posted by Teppie

Well it just seems a bit weird for things to be exclusive, there's no reason to bar content from customers who actively want it. It's not like it's hidden behind some big grind or hard boss, it's just simply 100% inaccessible, and that can be sort of demoralizing to new players knowing from the word go they can't possibly achieve everything.

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Then they should've stuck it out in 1.0 like those of us that did and earned the legacy tattoo. It's called 'Legacy Tattoo' for a reason. The problem with alot of gamers today is they want everything for nothing. The all about me and i want it now generation. Smh...

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Originally Posted by Seig345

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Not to demean it or anything but it's hard to count a chocobo you can't even use as a companion ,dye, or even race, as a big special reward. =/
My point is mainly that, this isn't something special that anyone paid for. You just kinda got it for being there. It's silly to act like it was a reward from the legacy campaign when it wasn't, I always thought the name would be confusing down the line.

Even the poster above me seems to think it was something that was earned through paying for the legacy campaign.

I think it would be cool if SE was to make somesort of body/back tattoo for either ingame or even in the cash shop. The scion's tattoo, a doman koi tattoo, tattoos of the grand companies- the possibilities are endless!

However, I can understand why legacy characters wouldnt want their mark to be sold on the cash shop. It's a status symbol- showing that they were the brave few who survived the terrors of the 1.0 series- the original WoL who stuck with SE through their moments of darkness (literally- 1.0 was a horrible time for SE, that literally put the company on hold)...

TL;DR
More tattoos would be epic, but let legacy tattoos stay exclusive. This is coming from a regular player :P

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Originally Posted by Sakuraluna

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You'd be correct if XIV 1.0 was "invite-only" or some such. However, XIV 1.0 was on sale for *EVERYONE* to buy at that time. Not knowing about it or if you couldn't buy it, you missed out on 1.0. In this context, they missed out. "Missed out" in this case is an objective statement, a fact.

"Deserve" is a subjective statement. Thus, saying "I believe those who missed out on 1.0 don't deserve the legacy tattoo." is an opinion. We all are allowed to voice our opinions, aren't we? Because there is two sides to this debate. I'm merely expressing what I (and possibly other 1.0 veterans) would feel if something that was deemed 'exclusive' became non-exclusive. Something that has value to us suddenly was given to other people who weren't there, that in our minds didn't earn it.

I'm sorry if saying "You don't deserve this." or any other such statement offends you. However, because it is in a subjective context, we're allowed to say it.

I personally think the legacy rewards should be rewards solely for the legacy players, which I am not one of.

However other tattoo options becoming available, prefereably in-game, for everyone would be awesome.

Absolutely not. I'm not a legacy player but i do not want it, it would be a kick in the nuts to the people that stayed with the game throughout it's 1.0 days.

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Originally Posted by Cynric

Not to demean it or anything but it's hard to count a chocobo you can't even use as a companion ,dye, or even race, as a big special reward. =/
My point is mainly that, this isn't something special that anyone paid for. You just kinda got it for being there. It's silly to act like it was a reward from the legacy campaign when it wasn't, I always thought the name would be confusing down the line.

Even the poster above me seems to think it was something that was earned through paying for the legacy campaign.

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Well I was just speaking out of technicality more than anything. Granted, I'd say the chocobo is worth a little more than the name in the credits, since you can't go running around with the latter in front of everyone like you can with the former. X)

You're right though, people tend to get the Legacy Campaign rewards mixed up with some of the other one-time only items. The original Goobbue mount is the same way; it's entirely possible for there to be some Legacy Campaign members who don't have the original Goobbue mount, while many non-Legacy Campaign members do, and like the tattoo, a new character won't have it.

To be honest though, the tattoo was technically paid for; unless your copy of the game was a gift, you had to at least buy a copy of the game itself. Only the subscription itself was made free until 2012. If nothing else, the tattoo was the all-inclusive badge of thanks/apology to anyone who'd ever gotten as far as to buy the game and create a character on Final Fantasy XIV prior to its relaunch.

(whoopsie-doodle, quoted the wrong person, edited to correct!)

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Originally Posted by DreameR7g

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If something exclusive becomes nonexclusive, then it was SE who decided whether or not players who were not originally there "deserved" it. Whether you believe it to be subjective or not, you don't hold that discretion. See moonlet earring, and XIII/XI/DQX events return last year for the 1 year anniversary.

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Originally Posted by Sakuraluna

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Oh I agree, they have the authority to make it non-exclusive. That doesn't mean they won't consider how a good portion of their fanbase would feel. Simply good business.

And I don't just "believe" it to be subjective. It is subjective. Its based on an opinion. I have a right to my opinion, much like you have a right to say you are offended.

As someone with it...

OK Mog stations Buy lagacy status. for $300 US
OK I'm for it.
not you save $5/months so really it's a savings over time.

Only 6 years before you start saving but 6 years isn't a long time in MMO terms. If you love the game.


I was in 1.x beta. It was bad. I played till about 1.12 it was really bad... they talked about legacy. I got my hubby a copy for 9.99 at Walmart. we paid for 3 months. We got our legacy status.

How about we just get other tattoos added that can be obtained in game. The mog station is once again unnecessary, and the legacy tattoo should remain legacy only.

I just want the tattoo to be account based like the legacy chocobo. I started a new character in 2.0 on a server with friends who were new. I get bummed out every time someone brings up the tattoo.

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Originally Posted by Titor

Yeah. I do not see how it would really be detrimental to your gameplay though.

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It's not really about impacts on gameplay, it's about the kind of message SE sends to players, so it's ultimately a PR thing. They said it would be exclusive as a reward for playing during the rough times of 1.0, and sticking with that decision will do more to garner goodwill from consumers than adding it as a purchasable item in the shop because some new players want it too. Simple as that.

Mog station, Mog station, f... the mog station we pay already a subscription everything should be in the game only!

I can understand you want a tattoo but just ask to SE to add this feature in character customization like we have already asked it since 1.0!!

Concerning legacy tattoo, just no, or take some 1.0 gifts we received before the 2.0 like the fact our total Gils was / by 10 for example or certain ruined efforts like the weapon relic etc etc

We need tattoos and the possibility to choose the part of the body to put it on but ps3 limitations? server limitation? It's like beards, we can't choose what we want cause it's glued to a certain face only...., or horns or "put what you want" we need more options and fun.

If you wanted legacy items so bad you should have played version 1 with the rest of us.

They were a thank you from SE to those of us who stood by them in tough times and should remain that way.

I am a completionist and I hate when things are gated from me for good, but I believe the tattoos are something only legacy people should have (I am not legacy).

as a Legacy player I am really surprised and grateful that the majority of people are against this. 8 pages of this stuff in only a few hours I think it's time to let this thread die.

(presses kill this thread button) I Love Big Buttons.


Stuff like new tattoos sure yes the legacy? NO don't care the reason why some want this (cough RP reasons) its something SE gave us to recognize our desire to continuing to play a game that was way under cooked to see the new beginning. If you can't understand that then that's your problem but they will never put it up for others.