SE morally reprehensible behavior

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Originally Posted by Thrustie

I don't think you're the grand master of MMOs who gets to determine what the word "Raid" is ultimately defined as. In FFXIV raids are clearly defined in the duty finder menu so it's not really up for interpretation. It's silly to argue semantics in what the game clearly defines already.

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I'm not. Neither is SE, who is arbitrarily cherry picking what they are calling a raid and what they are not.

I'm simply using the accepted definition, not SE's random-choice-but-lack-of-definition.

That said, I think this little subtopic has gotten rather astray from the thread's subject.

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Originally Posted by Roth_Trailfinder

SE does not use the term "raid" as it is used in other MMO's. Raids are purely large scale events; difficulty is irrelevant. They are multiple group events, that are (when introduced) are too big for a single group to handle.


Now, if SE wants to call 8 man content "raid", then ALL 8 man content is raid content, not just the little bits they have *cherry picked* to call raids. That includes all 8 man trials, Castrum and Praetorium, as well as Coil and Alexander content. Consistency is vital. Number of attendees is the only determining factor. There are easy raids and hard raids; but what makes it a raid vs single group content is having multiple groups.

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8 man trials are 1 boss that is why they are trials and not dungeons or raids

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Originally Posted by NatePride

8 man trials are 1 boss that is why they are trials and not dungeons or raids

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I've seen raids that were just one boss fight, and I've seen raids that were dungeon clears with several events scattered around.

The number of events in the instance, and the difficulty of those events, had nothing to do with them being raids. They were raids because they were not one group or solo events when current content. They were raids because they were designed as multi-group content, not single group content.

That's all there is to say about that; as I said, I think this little subtopic has gotten rather astray from the thread's subject.

welcome to mmo's

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Originally Posted by Lyrinn

Then what are sale runs? Just because Alex Savage isn't sellable right this moment doesn't mean groups won't be doing it in the near future. A1 and A2 will for sure be sellable once groups gear up. And I don't know about you, but finding anyone to sell favor items is like pulling teeth.

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Lel... I think it will be around ~15-25 Millionen Gil for one A1S-kill, giving you (maybe) 1 drop / 1 token, regarding T13 was still >10 Millionen with +20% Echo back in 2.x

With that ammount of gil you can get all crafter/gatherer to 60 and get a bunch of favor items in few weeks (when most gatherer have 2xMH-tool, the favor-fix is applied and ppl start selling more).

Right now you find few ppl selling favor items, but no one selling A-S. In a few weeks you see A1S for >20 Millionen Gil and lower favor mat prices.

At least you can make big gil with a gatherer now... better than in 2.x where the highest, timegated ***-lumber in HQ would sell for idk.. 2-3k gil.

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Originally Posted by NatePride

8 man trials are 1 boss that is why they are trials and not dungeons or raids

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They are trials because people call them that. But in essence they are still raids.

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Originally Posted by AnimaS

they've taken all that mattered in FFXIV ARR and RESET it.

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You mean like every MMO has done to raiders since WoW?

You mean like XIV did to raiders THREE times since release?

Really tell me how hard you have it as a crafter......

Oh this must be your first MMO, welcome!. Please grab the stick to your left and a staff member will be over to attach the carrot shortly.

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Originally Posted by Neophyte

Lel... I think it will be around ~15-25 Millionen Gil for one A1S-kill, giving you (maybe) 1 drop / 1 token, regarding T13 was still >10 Millionen with +20% Echo back in 2.x

With that ammount of gil you can get all crafter/gatherer to 60 and get a bunch of favor items in few weeks (when most gatherer have 2xMH-tool, the favor-fix is applied and ppl start selling more).

Right now you find few ppl selling favor items, but no one selling A-S. In a few weeks you see A1S for >20 Millionen Gil and lower favor mat prices.

At least you can make big gil with a gatherer now... better than in 2.x where the highest, timegated ***-lumber in HQ would sell for idk.. 2-3k gil.

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There are people selling alexander savage on my server, and have been for awhile.

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Originally Posted by Hanmerreborn

There are people selling alexander savage on my server, and have been for awhile.

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Price? I'm actually curious. I figure they can't be selling more than A1, maybe A2, and even then they're trading out loot they could still possibly use.

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Originally Posted by Kabooa

Price? I'm actually curious. I figure they can't be selling more than A1, maybe A2, and even then they're trading out loot they could still possibly use.

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Chances are they are just selling the clear, A few clears have been sold on my server but not actual loot.

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Originally Posted by Alysrea

Chances are they are just selling the clear, A few clears have been sold on my server but not actual loot.

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That's just the north side of pointless, there.

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Originally Posted by Kabooa

Price? I'm actually curious. I figure they can't be selling more than A1, maybe A2, and even then they're trading out loot they could still possibly use.

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Beats me, whatever it is I can guarantee I can't afford it.