Why are mounts so pretty and egi's so bad?

it seems I am one of the few that actually like the egis *hugs the egis*

I mostly just hate the egis because they lack any... liveliness or personality. I like to think of the 'pet' fighting by my side to be a companion, not just some tool used to increase my DPS.

I felt carbuncle was more of a companion because it looked lively and had a decent amount of personality with how it looked and moved... It seemed more like a living creature. Plus it was a cute, that always helps. :P

The egis don't even look like living, feeling creatures to me, personally. I miss my carbuncles. :(

Well, that's because Egi's aren't alive. They're just a tiny fragment of a Primal. Even Carbuncles are technically not alive, as they're simply a mathematical equation.

Egi glamour isn't gonna change anything. we still have just 3 egis and it's not a real pet system (like having their own level, exp, skill tree, status allotment, etc.) even chocobo companion is more like a pet system.

they put nearly zero effort on summoner job.

Im ready to gwt disappointed when we can glamour egis.

Knowing SE we are gonna have to do multiple side quests in different zones just to unlock the quest to glamour egis.
and we will also need grade 6 glamour prism and glamour light, which is only obtainavle through desynthing the new thavnarian set. Top gives shard and bottom gives prism.

Oh and we also need to finish the quest that requires us to catch a titanic sawfish (is that what they are called? That one fish I cant catch..)

Please look forward to it

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Originally Posted by Evangela

Egi glamour isn't gonna change anything. we still have just 3 egis and it's not a real pet system (like having their own level, exp, skill tree, status allotment, etc.) even chocobo companion is more like a pet system.

they put nearly zero effort on summoner job.

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And what would you have Summoner's do, then? Reminder, summons can not be massive as that would cause problems (blocking AoE's, tethers, markers, etc).

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Originally Posted by Evangela

Egi glamour isn't gonna change anything. we still have just 3 egis and it's not a real pet system (like having their own level, exp, skill tree, status allotment, etc.) even chocobo companion is more like a pet system.

they put nearly zero effort on summoner job.

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Um, this thread is 100% about the egi's physical appearance, not how the job in itself plays. Read the OP. :P

Also I'm actually quite happy with how the job plays myself, personally. I like dots, I like using a book weapon, and I like having a pet. Sooo I'm good. I just want 'pets' that aren't floating elemental things, personally. I miss my carbuncles.

You smns are so demanding lol.
Se gives you ahk morn and teraflare and u guys still complain. Sure egis need visual updates but honestly i wouldnMt be surprised if se shrugged it off till 5.0 cuz honestly its just a pet summon.

Nothing more nothing less.

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Originally Posted by Yumi_umi

You smns are so demanding lol.
Se gives you ahk morn and teraflare and u guys still complain. Sure egis need visual updates but honestly i wouldnMt be surprised if se shrugged it off till 5.0 cuz honestly its just a pet summon.

Nothing more nothing less.

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This isn't about how the job plays though. All I've wanted from the start is the glamour system, I'm quite happy with how the job in itself plays out. For me, personal aesthetics are a big part of the game and can make or break my character.

I've never liked egis, and that's why despite playing since 2.0 early access I've only just started playing summoner the other day even though I've been tempted since the start.

Also, you say it's just a pet summon but they are what make summoner truly stand out from the rest. I kinda enjoyed arcanist more than summoner because my carbuncle seemed much more alive and more like a companion than my floating elemental rock things with absolutely no personality. It's a creature that stands by your side at all times and is essential to the job.

I like Egis. They're exactly what they're meant to be. In this lore, Primals are generally bad, and summoning one requires immense quantities of Aether and willpower and belief and dedication. The Egis are but a weak shade of those primal forces, meant to give (aetheric) form to their powers but far from having self-awareness and a will of their own, nor the destructive power for which they are feared.

And beside that, I've liked their style since the first time they were shown in a LIVE Letter. I think the problem has got to do with western sensibility, because the first thing I thought when I saw them was "wow they're so minimal, essential lines yet that's all you actually need. that's so Japanese!"

(although admittedly, the fact that I was getting ready for a Japanese Art's History exam at the time might have influenced that judgement)

SE shouldn't limit summoner job to the lore.

why don't let summoners summon something from other dimension and call them Aeon, Eidolon, Esper, or whatever, instead of limiting this job to the Primals and the lore of this game.

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Originally Posted by Evangela

SE shouldn't limit summoner job to the lore.

why don't let summoners summon something from other dimension and call them Aeon, Eidolon, Esper, or whatever, instead of limiting this job to the Primals and the lore of this game.

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Cuz a lot of us summoners like the lore? I like our pets being connected to one of the games main group of antagonists, savage gods of destruction.
To me, gives our job a forbidden feel which is what first drew me to it. We'll be getting the pet glamour system soon and everything will be fine. /soothe

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Originally Posted by Evangela

SE shouldn't limit summoner job to the lore.

why don't let summoners summon something from other dimension and call them Aeon, Eidolon, Esper, or whatever, instead of limiting this job to the Primals and the lore of this game.

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Because then every other Job in the game would need to be given the same treatment (break lore, as you are willing to do). Anyway, Summons in previous Final Fantasy games are pretty much a flashier Black Mage spell or a Limit Break that costs MP. What you're asking for can not work in FFXIV (and FFXI's way of SMN makes the player have nothing, while the pet gets everything. Turn Sic on and you can just run around while your pet does all the work) and a big summon on the screen can cause issues during AoE heavy fights ("sorry, I couldn't see I had the marker over my head because Ifrit was on top of me!").

I meant that they don't need to make our egis look like a glowing statues just because we cannot summon the real primals.

They would still need to be small and their attacks not super flashy (Meteor and assumingly Megaflare LB's are probably still despised for how distracting they are), which would then probably make them worse than Egi's because "they don't feel powerful!" or something along those lines.

You have the choice to have a beast that's small and has visually weak looking attacks, or an Egi that looks right for its size and attacks that visually make sense.

then stop making them small already. FFXI can have large sized summons and the PS2 doesn't have a problem with them.

And then watch SMN's get excluded from parties because their pets are distracting (blocking view of AoE's, tethers, markers, etc).

stop making grounded AoE too.

So what you're saying is "FFXIV should be FFXI!" Because that's the only way your idea of Summoner will work.

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Originally Posted by SovereignAegis

And I just wish they were more glorified looking.

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Well for those who havent played FFXI... even on PS2 the summoner avatars looked 10 times better.. we talk about PS2...

http://images.somepage.com/ffxi/2006-NY-fortfenrir.jpg
http://www.nephilim-x.com/images/ffxi_zilss3_02.jpg

the apology that we are just able to draw the power of the primals .. that we cant summon them.. even in FFXI it was just like that.
What the FFXI summoner was able to summon wasnt the real huge primals.. it just have been reincarnations of that.

smaller versions of the primals with a shiny glow effect. why they didnt make it for FFXIV... dont know..


though the FFXIV carbuncle is okay.. the FFXI carbuncle was more "fluffy" ;)

http://i44.tinypic.com/1zmh3xs.png
http://media.giphy.com/media/8UmAnkRe99ggo/giphy.gif

Carbuncle FFXI hah*

good times ^^

Please don't change the Titan-egi, I like my potato peeled. =＾● ⋏ ●＾=

I don't think having summons with real textures that are a little bit larger than human would be a problem in battles.

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Originally Posted by RaquelleAvarosa

Please don't change the Titan-egi, I like my potato peeled. =＾● ⋏ ●＾=

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hmm...
http://www.finalfantasy.net/wp-conte...7/titanegi.jpg
http://ffxi.gamerescape.com/w/images...80px-Koios.png

ehm no... just no..

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Originally Posted by Evangela

I don't think having summons with real textures that are a little bit larger than human would be a problem in battles.

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http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3058/...7c3fba8e_m.jpg
in FFXI it wasnt a problem either.. and they could make it almost same size as a player..

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Originally Posted by Tonkra

hmm...
http://www.finalfantasy.net/wp-conte...7/titanegi.jpg

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https://imgflip.com/s/meme/Heavy-Breathing-Cat.jpg

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Originally Posted by Tonkra

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3058/...7c3fba8e_m.jpg
in FFXI it wasnt a problem either.. and they could make it almost same size as a player..

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I would have liked small version of the primals in the FFXI model. I'm not really fond of the mini-floating versions myself.

I like how if anyone says they like the egi's someone tells them their opinion is wrong.

I've actually grown found of my Titan Egi. I keep telling him he shouldn't have skipped leg day.

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Originally Posted by Miya_Carbuncle

I mostly just hate the egis because they lack any... liveliness or personality. I like to think of the 'pet' fighting by my side to be a companion, not just some tool used to increase my DPS.

I felt carbuncle was more of a companion because it looked lively and had a decent amount of personality with how it looked and moved... It seemed more like a living creature. Plus it was a cute, that always helps. :P

The egis don't even look like living, feeling creatures to me, personally. I miss my carbuncles. :(

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I see what you mean, thinking back on it. Eos and Selene even have an actual backstory. However, an ungraded model probably won't make the Egis any more appealing in this manner.

http://i.imgur.com/FusOv8Al.jpg

"Where do you think you're going looking like that Mister! You're not going out till you've changed into a giant 30ft affront to nature!!"

They showed that they can make them look better if you look at the granite gallowers.

But to answer why mounts will always have more detail OP is this.

Not every one is going to be a summaner but every one will use a mount.

the reason the summons don't look like the actual primal is because yoshi p said everyone having the primal cheapened it for him. (ff11)

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Originally Posted by Musashidon

the reason the summons don't look like the actual primal is because yoshi p said everyone having the primal cheapened it for him. (ff11)

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Have you ever played the telephone game (aka chinese whispers)?

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Originally Posted by Malevicton

Have you ever played the telephone game (aka chinese whispers)?

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Why not remove the pets and give the player the power to transform into a Primal? Their primal form will be a mix of the current player race + the primal. They could play more like Druids from WoW then the current pet system? This would also make all the primal transformation more unqiue since everyones player character is different aswell.

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Originally Posted by Miya_Carbuncle

Um, this thread is 100% about the egi's physical appearance, not how the job in itself plays. Read the OP. :P

Also I'm actually quite happy with how the job plays myself, personally. I like dots, I like using a book weapon, and I like having a pet. Sooo I'm good. I just want 'pets' that aren't floating elemental things, personally. I miss my carbuncles.

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Yes. This thread is not about how the job plays. I like the job this is just about the physical appearance.

make them smaller and make them look better.

if they can have minions look the way they do, the egis should at least be comparable.

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Originally Posted by Dererk

They showed that they can make them look better if you look at the granite gallowers.

But to answer why mounts will always have more detail OP is this.

Not every one is going to be a summaner but every one will use a mount.

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This is not true. There are collectors edition mounts that some people will never have .There is a mount that cost 24 real money dollars that I will never have etc. if u have an account and know how to take an airship u can play smn. Heck u need the cross class skills for some jobs anyway.

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Originally Posted by Gyson

Tomatoes turn red upon ripening, once the chlorophyll breaks down and lycopene becomes the dominant pigment. And the blue in the sky is a result of blue light being scattered more than other colors by the molecules in the air.

But what does this have to do with why the FFXIV designers have chosen to make one NPC model extremely detailed and another sub par?

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I have to said... this comment make my day

I literally /facedesk-ed when I saw some stupid quasi-ascian disposable npc had bigger summons than me. And the black and red carbuncles showed up? I couldn't decide whether to laugh or cry.
Our own summons really are a disgrace tbh. :/

depends on what egi glamor actually means. it could be as cheap as say just changing the color schemes/adding or removing glow effects or it could be actual size/shape adjustments.
only time will tell

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Originally Posted by SendohJin

make them smaller and make them look better.

if they can have minions look the way they do, the egis should at least be comparable.

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But it would also make the Pet appear incredibly weak, which would make players hate them even more.