The harp is a lie.

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Originally Posted by Eekiki

That'd be fine if you were looking at the exact profile of the bow.

But you aren't. The top of the bow is tilted away from you.

Or maybe the arrows are decorative.

GEEZ, isn't it enough that a harp integrated into a longbow is a completely ludicrous idea?.

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No more crazy than a gun attached to a sword. Besides, perspective does not work that way. The harp would have to be the size of the character holding it and the arrows on it three times the thickness of normal arrows just to match the length of the regular arrows if that where true. And if the arrows where decorative, why have the thing in the first place? It's already a pretty large and ornate piece. At least a harp would serve a function.

Unless this is a joke thread because I can't understand sarcasm without some specific inflection.

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Originally Posted by Kailea_Nagisa

its not a harp, you can see that it is attached to the rest of the bow in the pic, hell I dont even have to blow up the image to see that -.-

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Yeah, and if you actually looked closely you'd see that it has the ability to fold down as well. There's a clear hinge-type mechanism in there.

Are we sure it's a scythe? It could be one of those goofy halberds that have a long spear but some stabby stuff (axe or blade) sticking out of it to the side as well.

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Originally Posted by Anonymoose

Are we sure it's a scythe? It could be one of those goofy halberds that have a long spear but some stabby stuff (axe or blade) sticking out of it to the side as well.

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does the board seem like we're sure of anything these days? ;)

it could be a halberd, or an angled off scythe. I'm more willing to believe halberd, but I welcome surprises

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Originally Posted by Anonymoose

Are we sure it's a scythe? It could be one of those goofy halberds that have a long spear but some stabby stuff (axe or blade) sticking out of it to the side as well.

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It looks decidedly like a Scythe. If it is then that means that jobs are getting their own weapons or variants on weapons. The point being, job specific weapons. Kind of negates the whole "weapon types can only be classes" thing.

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Originally Posted by Anonymoose

Are we sure it's a scythe? It could be one of those goofy halberds that have a long spear but some stabby stuff (axe or blade) sticking out of it to the side as well.

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seems to me that dragon knight is a play on words to dark knight. the armor was originally called "evil Armor" in the concept drawings. so when you combine evil armor with scythe and dragon "knight", it makes more sense i think.

and to stay on topic, i hate bow harps.

No one noticed the miqo'te in the bottom right using a fist weapon shaped like a dragons head?

This is gettin' hilarious to a larger and larger degree...
I'm more intrigued about the White Mage nose lacking; it scares me a lot...

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Originally Posted by Arcell

It looks decidedly like a Scythe. If it is then that means that jobs are getting their own weapons or variants on weapons. The point being, job specific weapons. Kind of negates the whole "weapon types can only be classes" thing.

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halbeard http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e3...age/wveibs.jpg

credit to omega hack

its a super fancy dragoon polearm. .........its true, I have inside informants.

dragon knights dont have to be nice. kain was a dark disturbed fairly dark knight like charachter.

http://www.valendia.ws/kain/images/amano/amano02.jpg

armor that looks dark disturbed check
lot of extraneous spike check
dragon like helm covering a bit of the face, check


dragoon doesnt have to look like a nice guy

grasping at straws it seems

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Originally Posted by syntaxlies

i could draw a dildo on the end if i want doest make it a sex toy.

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yeah,but it doesnt make it a scythe either

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Originally Posted by Arcell

It looks decidedly like a Scythe. If it is then that means that jobs are getting their own weapons or variants on weapons. The point being, job specific weapons. Kind of negates the whole "weapon types can only be classes" thing.

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if you look closely the curved part is part of the leg armor he has one leg up in a captain morgan pose or like the pose kain is depicted in so many times.

edit: it is also way to small to be a scythe blade

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Originally Posted by Physic

dragon knights dont have to be nice. kain was a dark disturbed fairly dark knight like charachter.

http://www.valendia.ws/kain/images/amano/amano02.jpg

armor that looks dark disturbed check
lot of extraneous spike check
dragon like helm covering a bit of the face, check


dragoon doesnt have to look like a nice guy

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i think it will be a dragon knight, but i dont think they will consider dragon knight a dragoon because i think they will add a dragoon pet job later.

Maybe it's an overly cautious wheat farmer :D

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Originally Posted by syntaxlies

i think it will be a dragon knight, but i dont think they will consider dragon knight a dragoon because i think they will add a dragoon pet job later.

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I find that unlikely. To my knowledge the only FF where Dragoon had a wyvern pet was XI. In FFTA Dragoons had the classic jump and a slew of elemental abilities including a conal AoE element breath.

this thread has been officially changed to, death of the bow harp, long live the scythe

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Originally Posted by Arcell

I find that unlikely. To my knowledge the only FF where Dragoon had a wyvern pet was XI. In FFTA Dragoons had the classic jump and a slew of elemental abilities including a conal AoE element breath.

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pets sell boxes in mmo's though

I find this thread to be hilarious, people outright declaring things as fact even though it could go either way in most cases, and then we now have people stating they have inside information.

I enjoy it.

The main point of bringing up the scythe bit though: If it is true then jobs won't necessarily be locked into the weapons of the jobs they come from. This would support the bowharp being a new weapon variant.

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Originally Posted by Arcell

Right but even with that, it's still a scythe blade.

Scythe

Adding a spike to the top and bottom doesn't really make it less of a scythe blade shape.

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the blade is too short to be a scythe, and while that could be a perspective issue, look at the big picture. No class currently out would use a scythe, If they made any job get scythe, the current WS animations wouldnt make sense. many of dragoons are pericing, the axe animations could come close, but still a rough fit.

dragon knight is a confirmed job.

its a long pole like weapon, scythe, lance halbeard whatever its called its going to be the extension of the lancer class, and its going to be weilded like a polearm.



unless...

that is a botanist gone mad, then i could see it as a scythe...

the bow harp is an ancient descendent of the boombox

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Originally Posted by Physic

the blade is too short to be a scythe, and while that could be a perspective issue, look at the big picture. No class currently out would use a scythe, If they made any job get scythe, the current WS animations wouldnt make sense. many of dragoons are pericing, the axe animations could come close, but still a rough fit.

dragon knight is a confirmed job.

its a long pole like weapon, scythe, lance halbeard whatever its called its going to be the extension of the lancer class, and its going to be weilded like a polearm.



unless...

that is a botanist gone mad, then i could see it as a scythe...

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i am sure it is lancer, i also think it will be a dragon knight. the result however i think will be a dark knight lancer hybrid with a scythe.

might i add that i didnt think that archer would be bard and then they give us the bowharp, so i can be wrong. that's just what i think given the info that's out right now.

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Originally Posted by syntaxlies

the bow hard is an ancient descendent of the boombox

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A boombox can change the world but you gotta know your limits with a boombox.

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Originally Posted by Arcell

The main point of bringing up the scythe bit though: If it is true then jobs won't necessarily be locked into the weapons of the jobs they come from. This would support the bowharp being a new weapon variant.

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I mentioned this elsewhere, but if they have new weapons they would need a lot to cover the level 20+ range jobs are supposed to be available. one at least every 5 levels, so 49 weapons, which is more than we have seen developed in since the game came out.

It would also invalidate all the gear outside of it. If you have to eq a bowharp, or a scythe to be a dragoon or bard, then it makes all gear out there fairly useless, except for MAYBE soloing. It really would make jobs into whole new classes almost, rather than specialisations, as well as killing all weapons in existence before jobs.

and the 49 number just counts 1 weapon every 5 levels, with no variation in stats like we have now ( one knuckle in a range for acc, one for crit etc)

Sorry I'm with the OP on this one, there is no harp on the end of that bow.

Does this mean we will have bow-flutes as well. Or maybe we will use flutes as arrows?

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Originally Posted by Physic

I mentioned this elsewhere, but if they have new weapons they would need a lot to cover the level 20+ range jobs are supposed to be available. one at least every 5 levels, so 49 weapons, which is more than we have seen developed in since the game came out.

It would also invalidate all the gear outside of it. If you have to eq a bowharp, or a scythe to be a dragoon or bard, then it makes all gear out there fairly useless, except for MAYBE soloing. It really would make jobs into whole new classes almost, rather than specialisations, as well as killing all weapons in existence before jobs.

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I'm not saying it's a good idea or not, I'm just saying that if that is a scythe then that is the reality of the job system.

There are some things we don't know though (unless I'm mistaken which is possible):

*We don't know if you can level up the class associated with a job while using the job. We know that jobs essentially don't have levels but depend on the class it comes from. If this is true then you would be forced to use the class to level up.

*We don't know if jobs get their own specific weapon types. This was mostly speculation on the "classes = weapons" assumption but if jobs do get their own weapon types then that throws that entirely out the window.

*We don't know how you'll acquire these weapons. I know they mentioned that there will be quests and whatnot involved in the progression of jobs so maybe there is a set number of these weapons and you get them from progressing in this manner.

*We don't know if jobs can use more than one weapon type. I mean they're not classes and thus they are not weapon types. It wouldn't be hard for them to program a different weapon types to be usable by the same class.

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Originally Posted by Arcell

I'm not saying it's a good idea or not, I'm just saying that if that is a scythe then that is the reality of the job system.

There are some things we don't know though (unless I'm mistaken which is possible):

*We don't know if you can level up the class associated with a job while using the job. We know that jobs essentially don't have levels but depend on the class it comes from. If this is true then you would be forced to use the class to level up.

*We don't know if jobs get their own specific weapon types. This was mostly speculation on the "classes = weapons" assumption but if jobs do get their own weapon types then that throws that entirely out the window.

*We don't know how you'll acquire these weapons. I know they mentioned that there will be quests and whatnot involved in the progression of jobs so maybe there is a set number of these weapons and you get them from progressing in this manner.

*We don't know if jobs can use more than one weapon type. I mean they're not classes and thus they are not weapon types. It wouldn't be hard for them to program a different weapon types to be usable by the same class.

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they said somewhere way back, that your job class would be equal to your level on the main class, they could change it, but this is what they said. if you are a 50 glad you are a 50pld. there was some uproar because some people wanted to relevel classes.

Im not against jobs having special weapon types, but to be honest it seems unlikely. it would mean that the work they put into the class specific weaponskills animations was semi wasted. I mean if you look at doom spike, it would make no sense with a scythe. But really it would mean they did a whoooolllle lot of work on jobs, or plan too which, i dunno doesnt seem like how they work so far, most of the things we have seen have been in game or previously designed stuff.

I just dont see it based on what they have told us. Though i wouldnt complain if jobs had more weapon options.It could be pretty cool. but it doesnt seem likely

Even if this is the case, and we get multiple and new weapon types, i still say that image right there be a polearm.

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Originally Posted by Arcell

The main point of bringing up the scythe bit though: If it is true then jobs won't necessarily be locked into the weapons of the jobs they come from. This would support the bowharp being a new weapon variant.

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o_o ......

Wow this is still going on...

I am actually surprised and a bit disappointed that even after the third thread is started on this, Reinheart's thread is derailed by this and still... No Community Rep has come forth and cleared this up.

My opinion: This is not a bow/harp, just a very elaborate long-bow.

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Originally Posted by Holland

Wow this is still going on...

I am actually surprised and a bit disappointed that even after the third thread is started on this, Reinheart's thread is derailed by this and still... No Community Rep has come forth and cleared this up.

My opinion: This is not a bow/harp, just a very elaborate long-bow.

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what has everyone thinking it is a bow harp is that bard was announced by a dev in a magazine a few months ago. I think it is a bowharp, and i hate it.

This is at least a really fun lesson in forum psychology. I make a thread about discussing whether or not it's a bowharp and the pros and cons of it, and we discuss how happy or angry we are that it's totally happening - and then a thread is created specifically stating it's not a harp, and we all go there and argue over whether or not it's a bowharp.

I love and hate you all.

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Originally Posted by syntaxlies

what has everyone thinking it is a bow harp is that bard was announced by a dev in a magazine a few months ago. I think it is a bowharp, and i hate it.

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Me too, and hoping it's a late April Fools joke.

Look like i'm the only one that like this bow-harp ^^.

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Originally Posted by syntaxlies

what has everyone thinking it is a bow harp is that bard was announced by a dev in a magazine a few months ago. I think it is a bowharp, and i hate it.

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Oh, don't get me wrong. I know very well why these discussions keep going back and forth, I have been keeping with all four threads. Just a bit sad no one from Square has brought it to light, seeing how distressed the community is.

My take on it still stands, all jobs are heavily influenced on what is the strong point of each class to enhance it. That's what jobs is all about: An enhancement/specialization of the class they come from.

~GLA turns into PLD bringing up the basic abilities of using shield, sword, heavy armor, damage mitigation and hate control the GLA has to make it the ultimate damage sponge

~PUG turns into MNK bringing up the basic abilities of punching enemies while cleverly dodging their attacks to make it the ultimate punching machine while cleverly dodging their attacks (=p)

~LNC turns into Dragoon successfully transforming itself into the ultimate badass with Jump and the best armor, enough said.

~ARC turns into ??? and this is where its breaking up the whole Jobs being specializations of the class thingy. I have not played ARC at all, but definitely partied with many, I don't see how turning into BRD will specialize its current abilities and accentuate ARC's unique abilities, hence, why I don't feel Archer will turn into Bard.

If this is the case though, Archer being Bard, then I would be glad to see how this will turn out. My eyes are on PLD, DRG and BLM though.

Maybe it's a radiator for those cold nights hiding in trees waiting for the target to walk into view.

Well a Halberd looks like a great axe, but its not, its a lance... point is , not everything is what it looks like

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Originally Posted by Holland

Oh, don't get me wrong. I know very well why these discussions keep going back and forth, I have been keeping with all four threads. Just a bit sad no one from Square has brought it to light, seeing how distressed the community is.

My take on it still stands, all jobs are heavily influenced on what is the strong point of each class to enhance it. That's what jobs is all about: An enhancement/specialization of the class they come from.

~GLA turns into PLD bringing up the basic abilities of using shield, sword, heavy armor, damage mitigation and hate control the GLA has to make it the ultimate damage sponge

~PUG turns into MNK bringing up the basic abilities of punching enemies while cleverly dodging their attacks to make it the ultimate punching machine while cleverly dodging their attacks (=p)

~LNC turns into Dragoon successfully transforming itself into the ultimate badass with Jump and the best armor, enough said.

~ARC turns into ??? and this is where its breaking up the whole Jobs being specializations of the class thingy. I have not played ARC at all, but definitely partied with many, I don't see how turning into BRD will specialize its current abilities and accentuate ARC's unique abilities, hence, why I don't feel Archer will turn into Bard.

If this is the case though, Archer being Bard, then I would be glad to see how this will turn out. My eyes are on PLD, DRG and BLM though.

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you forgot to mention paladins magic which is really like a glad+white mage.

i would have like to have seen archer with a wide assortment of dot and de-buff arrows.

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Originally Posted by TidBones

Not everything is what it looks like

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Except, of course, the bow-harp. Obviously.

I kid, I kid.