[dev1072] Bringing back the other stats?

Stats are horribly balanced as is and you want more???

Maybe we should just go to FFXI method where some stats weren't the real value and you had to calculate with some crazy math to figure out the true stat value? /sarcasm

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Originally Posted by Rokien

I hardly miss, why do I need acc. we hardly miss. Attack? I have ifrits harpoon gives me max dmg already with 0 cloths on.

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Yeah, you clearly have absolutely no idea how stats actually work if you think you're getting the highest damage output possible with just the harpoon. Wow. Just wow.

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So let me fill you in on the most basic of basics:

You see those 6 main stats? Those stats alone don't determine everything and in fact they govern other sub-stats like accuracy, attack power, enfeebling effect potency, magic evasion and evasion. Not only that but some classes have special modifiers for certain stats that affect their auto-attack & weapon skill damage, among other factors.

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Originally Posted by Rokien

I hardly miss, why do I need acc. we hardly miss.

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Never played MRD?

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Originally Posted by Rokien

I hardly miss, why do I need acc. we hardly miss. Attack? I have ifrits harpoon gives me max dmg already with 0 cloths on.

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You're asking for more stats to have a more in-depth system, yet from this it's obvious you don't even understand how the current stats work. I can't find the words to describe how dumb that is.

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Originally Posted by Masamune1004

You're asking for more stats to have a more in-depth system, yet from this it's obvious you don't even understand how the current stats work. I can't find the words to describe how dumb that is.

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They don't work, that's how well they work, I know perfectly on how they work.

When they fix stats more they should throw in more.

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Originally Posted by Masamune1004

You're asking for more stats to have a more in-depth system, yet from this it's obvious you don't even understand how the current stats work. I can't find the words to describe how dumb that is.

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'Round these parts we have a word for that: Rokien.

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Originally Posted by Rokien

They don't work, that's how well they work, I know perfectly on how they work.

When they fix stats more they should throw in more.

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And yet again you have proven that you have no idea how stats work. Certain stats have diminishing returns past a certain point, and then we have the odd man out (defense) which doesn't really work at all. Almost every other stat works though.

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Originally Posted by Arcell

And yet again you have proven that you have no idea how stats work. Certain stats have diminishing returns past a certain point, and then we have the odd man out (defense) which doesn't really work at all. Almost every other stat works though.

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Typical Rokien modus operandi. Make topic about stuff he knows nothing about, continue to argue about things he knows nothing about, start trolling after everyone tells him he's wrong, go make new topic and repeat cycle.

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Originally Posted by Rokien

They don't work, that's how well they work, I know perfectly on how they work.

When they fix stats more they should throw in more.

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Okay

1. What Arcell said.

2. If the stats don't work like you said, then why ask for more stats that probably won't work either?

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Originally Posted by Rokien

They don't work, that's how well they work, I know perfectly on how they work.

When they fix stats more they should throw in more.

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Please describe how they work this should be interesting.

It's okay Wolfie.
We won't judge you.
http://i.minus.com/jb0MzElxZVEFVV.png

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Originally Posted by Jokerz

Please describe how they work this should be interesting.

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If they worked properly you shouldn't be able to win any fight(greater than your level) without said stats/gear. or lots of skill

@mas
Of course they would have to fix stats while adding the new.

more variety is a good thing.

Ok I'm done with this thread

Stats work, Keftenk/Kaeko and Seiken (I think thats his name, sorry!) have done extensive stat testing and they all work. The only exception is Defense on high level enemies.

And LOL @ Gramul

Adding stats without a need for them isn't adding variety, it's adding more balancing headaches and most likely redundancy. In other words, don't quit your day job. Game design simply is not your forte.

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Originally Posted by AlexNiculaie

Adding stats without a need for them isn't adding variety, it's adding more balancing headaches and most likely redundancy. In other words, don't quit your day job. Game design simply is not your forte.

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There isn't a NEED for any stat ever, the game could have 0 stats.

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Originally Posted by Rokien

There isn't a NEED for any stat ever, the game could have 0 stats.

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Nice way to selectively pick out posts to prey on. Conveniently ignoring my posts, as well as Estellios who mentioned the actual stat testing that has been done.

To reiterate though, defense is really the only stat that doesn't work as it should. Though you'd know that if you knew how stats actually worked.

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Originally Posted by Arcell

Nice way to selectively pick out posts to prey on. Conveniently ignoring my posts, as well as Estellios who mentioned the actual stat testing that has been done.

To reiterate though, defense is really the only stat that doesn't work as it should. Though you'd know that if you knew how stats actually worked.

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I have seen them, ya stats have some influence but not much.

This isn't a thread of how stats work. It's about implementing more stats.

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Originally Posted by Rokien

I have seen them, ya stats have some influence but not much.

This isn't a thread of how stats work. It's about implementing more stats.

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So now they influence some? Switching your argument a bit from them not working at all.

Those two issues are so closely tied that you cannot discuss one without the other. You have no right asking the devs to add more stats to the game when you have absolutely no grasp on how current stats work.

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Originally Posted by Arcell

So now they influence some? Switching your argument a bit from them not working at all.

Those two issues are so closely tied that you cannot discuss one without the other. You have no right asking the devs to add more stats to the game when you have absolutely no grasp on how current stats work.

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I never switched my thought on how they worked, it's called exaggeration.
You have no idea if I don't know how the current stats work, though, lucky for you, I do. I just don't like how they work. So, I say they don't work.

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Originally Posted by Rokien

I never switched my thought on how they worked, it's called exaggeration.
You have no idea if I don't know how the current stats work, though, lucky for you, I do. I just don't like how they work. So, I say they don't work.

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So instead of making an actual argument for it, which you have yet to do, you make yourself seem unintelligent intentionally through the use of exaggeration and then claim that you are indeed knowledgeable without any information to back it up. Yeah, seem legit.

"More stats effecting more various aspects of a character allows for greater playstyle diversity, I love the idea. "

Yoshi himself wants players to be unique in play style, this would help it.

Why is it everytime I enter a Rokien thread, I start getting a migraine...?

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Originally Posted by Rokien

"More stats effecting more various aspects of a character allows for greater playstyle diversity, I love the idea. "

Yoshi himself wants players to be unique in play style, this would help it.

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I'd love a link to where that quote comes from.

Convoluted, complex stat systems that are complex for the sake of being complex does not aid in unique play styles. It makes them more confusing and difficult to set up. With the stats we currently have, there are a variety of play styles that one could utilize. Most people go with the cookie-cutter standard but that's more of an issue with the community than how the stats work.

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Originally Posted by Misha

Luck stat would be awesome imo... it is a FF game after all^^ ... btw that ui window looks alot better than what we have now imo xD

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You know how I roll my luck? For example: you need a piece of tape and 1k coins and a casino 777 machine. Procedure.
Tape L1 and leave it for about 10 hours and go to sleep. Next day you will have 9k coins and lots of luck streaks. That's how my luck rolls, at least in ff-xIII -2

dont need other stats that will just make harder on them trying to make a piece of equip with decent stats

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Originally Posted by Rokien

There isn't a NEED for any stat ever, the game could have 0 stats.

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Really? It's going to be pretty damn hard to do damage to a mob with 0 stats to base that attack, or to avoid the attack. This statement shows exactly why you shouldn't try game development.

... this thread... it won't die! Rokien's a necromancer!!

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Originally Posted by AlexNiculaie

Really? It's going to be pretty damn hard to do damage to a mob with 0 stats to base that attack, or to avoid the attack. This statement shows exactly why you shouldn't try game development.

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Umm, it's easy just don't put stats in the game >.>

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Originally Posted by Rokien

You have no idea if I don't know how the current stats work, though, lucky for you, I do. I just don't like how they work. So, I say they don't work.

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Let's test your method here. I am familiar with how gravity operates. I don't like how it works. So, I say there is no gravity.

I don't want more stats. it just dilutes the meaning of each one further. Don't we have enough?

Give us Card-Master when they bring a in-game card game.

Make the primary attribute luck and dex and you got a deal.

D-d-d-d-d-duel!

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

I don't want more stats. it just dilutes the meaning of each one further. Don't we have enough?

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it wouldn't dilute anything >.> It would add more to the game.

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Originally Posted by Rokien

it wouldn't dilute anything >.> It would add more to the game.

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I could request that a sentry cannon be added to the entryways of all the major cities and at each aetheryte camp. Everytime you get within 20 feet of it, it shoots you in the chest with a high velocity bean bag that deals 2000 damage and inflicts a 200HP bleeding DoT.

It adds to the game after all.

It would "add to the game" if we had a giant monolith rise out of the ground and if it rained cats and dogs. But not everything that would "add to" the game should be.

Adds to the game, subtracts from the number of subscribers.

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Originally Posted by Masamune1004

Adds to the game, subtracts from the number of subscribers.

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To be fair, I know a lot of people who feel RPGs have become too simple in their mechanics.

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Originally Posted by Eekiki

Agility was rolled into Dexterity, I believe.

Charisma (and luck?) turned into Piety.

The stats we have already are messed up enough without adding new ones. :)

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lol Why would they combine Dex and Agility? Oh lord.. never mind it's SE.

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Originally Posted by illriginalized

lol Why would they combine Dex and Agility? Oh lord.. never mind it's SE.

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Six elements, six stats.

LOL no, in fact I would suggest this game consolidating more of its stats, this game has waaayyyyy too many stats.

Simplifying stats such as ..

2 Str = 1 Attack
2 Dex = 1 Agility
2 Int = 1 Mag Attack
etc..

Instead we have Str and Attack which do different things depending on the stat values of the monster in question.

No wonder there is so much confusion about what stats are best suited to which class/job.

Base weapon damage needs to go and a DPS calculation should be added into the gear/attributes window based on a players total stats.