Reclaim land from inactive accounts post 3.0?

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Originally Posted by Titor

Why would you not want to give back the full cost? Or at least the cost that the person played at whatever snapshot of deflation they had bought it at?

Or, perhaps the best, would be to give the voucher that could either be redeemed for a plot of the same or lower grade, OR be vendored to an NPC for the amount back of which they paid for the house, that way, if they wanted to wait until a new house opened up they could get it very quickly, or if they would rather buy a smaller house they could sell the voucher, get their gil back, and wait for any plot to open up.

Net-wise the gil sink would remain the same. Just instead of the person who bought it first providing the 'sink', the new buyer provides it. Either way, the same amount of gil will be net kept out of the economy.

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a really simple fix, add new wards, Make current system FC only and one house per FC, then implement an instanced housing system for personal housing that has the ability to allocate a house for every character. That's the way it should have been in the first place. Then you wont need to relinquish housing, wont have to worry about availability, and everyone gets their own house (still have gil sinks for upgrades to plot size and items, etc.)

Mage, that is the best option. Grandfather current personal house owners in, offer a huge incentive to switch to the new system for personal housing but do not force. Keep the wards for FCs, and allow something akin to instanced personal housing (I really support instanced personal housing, myself)

I'm all in favor of it. If you're not playing, you're not playing, and you shouldn't get to hog a limited resource that an active player wants to make use of.
180 days is a perfectly reasonable amount of time; if someone can't even be bothered to log in once during that time period, then you can't call them an active player in any sense of the word.

They need to reclaim houses from people who do not play the game anymore. Implement a system to where someone who use to play the game can somehow through a interface that doesnt involve having a paid for account to allow someone to help keep their home with a home care taker option. 99% of the time the reason someone is not in the game is not money reason but burnt out of the game. Allow 3 months to return which is plenty of time to take time off from the game but if they are not going to implement a instanced means of purchasing housing then a method to reward people who do play and are valued customers that keep a monthly account active should be rewarded over those who vanish for 1-2 years.

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Originally Posted by Galdous

They need to reclaim houses from people who do not play the game anymore. Implement a system to where someone who use to play the game can somehow through a interface that doesnt involve having a paid for account to allow someone to help keep their home with a home care taker option. 99% of the time the reason someone is not in the game is not money reason but burnt out of the game. Allow 3 months to return which is plenty of time to take time off from the game but if they are not going to implement a instanced means of purchasing housing then a method to reward people who do play and are valued customers that keep a monthly account active should be rewarded over those who vanish for 1-2 years.

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I agree with you there. I have many friends who have bought houses and quit the game. A few of them have no plans of returning. The houses are just sitting there now locked forever.

There needs to be a mix of both solutions imo. There needs to be more land added, as well as a reclamation of land. 31 days IS too short, but I think 90-120 days is perfectly fair.

To all the people against reclaim due to people maybe having personal issues; too bad. Honestly it doesn't matter WHY someone can't or won't sub only that they aren't. It's not fair to the people who are actually paying and playing. Paying customers > nonpaying former customers. That's just the way it is. Though I'm not on the side of 31 days of not being subbed. I think 6 months is best. If you can't pay $15 in a 6 month period it's HIGHLY unlikely you'll ever be able to come back. Have the reclaim start at the 2 year anniversary. Anyone with a house who hasn't been subbed for at least 6 months prior looses their house. Everything in the house, including a voucher for an equal size house, goes to the calamity vendor. SE should send out a multitude of emails saying what will occur to give people a while to resub so as to not lose their house.

I am very glad there is a lot of comments on this thread.

As far as how much time need to pass. They put out enough return home/free login for people that had accounts. If you aren't paying and 2 Free login periods pass you clearly have no interest in coming back.
As for FFXI I log in every Free weekend, visit with friends try and get them to move to FFXIV. but it's really nice to see what everyone is up too.

My orginal FC has a medium house. The FC is dead house is still there.

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Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra

Problem with housing as it exists now is you can't share it with a partner. One of the bones of marriage should be the OPTION to allow those married to actually share a house and have access to it's features much like Free Company housing.

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Problem with housing as it exists now is that you can buy more than one house per account, which players have done, thus reducing the amount through greed that is available for other players. Yes I do have a house.

The city-states could always use a little more money in their coffers and should just start taxing the property set aside for adventurers. A 1,000 gil property tax could occur every X months. If you don't pay it, the property is reclaimed by the city-state, the house demolished, the remains/furniture mailed back to the prior owner, and the land put back on the market for public sale again. This encourages home owners to log in occasionally and continue subscribing.

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Originally Posted by Cutie_McSnuggles

FC leadership and housing are two VERY different things. If an active FC has their leader leave for an extended period of time for any reason, even if they fully intend to come back, it can leave them completely powerless to do anything.

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Yeah, and inactive people having housing locks everyone else out of gardening, chocobo training, house creation/decoration, and--soon to be--Airship exploration.

You can't lock content out for active players to protect inactive players. It's asinine.

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Originally Posted by Krylo

Yeah, and inactive people having housing locks everyone else out of gardening, chocobo training, house creation/decoration, and--soon to be--Airship exploration.

You can't lock content out for active players to protect inactive players. It's asinine.

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lol lets be real here.. inactive players are not what's locking people out, lack of plots is. People in this thread keep pointing fingers at inactive players as if SE is not to blame or something. Even if they reclaimed every plot that was inactive, there still wouldn't be enough plots for even 25% of the players on populated servers based on unofficial census numbers.

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Originally Posted by DoctorPepper

lol lets be real here.. inactive players are not what's locking people out, lack of plots is. People in this thread keep pointing fingers at inactive players as if SE is not to blame or something. Even if they reclaimed every plot that was inactive, there still wouldn't be enough plots for even 25% of the players on populated servers based on unofficial census numbers.

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Even if there were more plots the problem would still be there, it would just take longer for it to come up.
Everyone quits eventually.

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Originally Posted by DoctorPepper

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SE needs to do both: add more plots and reclaim from inactives. As time goes on more and more plots are going to be eaten up by people who quit/move on/whatever else and it's going to continue to be a detriment, and, as that there's a hard limit to the number of plots that can be added due to server space issues, just constantly adding more to accommodate both inactive and active players isn't feasible.

What's more feasible? Tripling/Quadrupling current wards and kicking inactives to allow the majority of people (and probably all people who actually have money for it) to buy a plot and have plots be opening occasionally after so they don't need to keep adding more until/unless there's a maintained population spike, or quintupling it now, then doubling that later, then doubling THAT later again, and then again into infinity until the death of the game because of inactive players, even if the population stays at current levels (or even if it drops)?

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Originally Posted by Krylo

SE needs to do both: add more plots and reclaim from inactives.

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With the freeing up of inactive account housing it would reduce the amount of new wards needed. One thing they need to do first is make it that no furniture is destroyed when picked up as too much is, especially the hard to acquire furniture. Then, the furniture can be put into storage and reclaimed upon renewal of account.

Free up inactive housing, put the furniture into storage, limit housing to one per account and there will be a healthy increase in housing availability for those who want. As freeing up inactive accounts land will not stop players with housing already buying up more plots.

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Originally Posted by MageBlack

I fully support this!

They need to implement the 31day inactivity penalty they mentioned once upon a time. just set up all items to be returned to the calamity salvager along with the reimbursement of funds.

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A month is quite the short time considering how long most have to save to even be able to buy a house in the first place.

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Originally Posted by Dree-Elle

You already forfeit leadership of a Free Company after 35 days, why should housing be any different? Play the game, or pay the price.

ETA: Since people don't seem to get what I'm saying, let me put it this way: In real life, if you do not pay the rent, the landlord will evict you. The monthly subscription that you pay is your rent.

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In real life the landlord of a bought house is...you.

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Originally Posted by Krylo

Yeah, and inactive people having housing locks everyone else out of gardening, chocobo training, house creation/decoration, and--soon to be--Airship exploration.

You can't lock content out for active players to protect inactive players. It's asinine.

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Because everyone else wants to enjoy gardening, chocobo training, or house decoration, right?

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Originally Posted by MageBlack

They need to implement the 31day inactivity penalty they mentioned once upon a time. just set up all items to be returned to the calamity salvager along with the reimbursement of funds.

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With you plan sure they would recieve some small reimbursement but you are screwing the person out of their plot and their hard work to aquire a plot and house.
If they come back they no longer have a plot or the plots available to replace it which is why i dont see SE doing this.

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Originally Posted by Aeyis

A month is quite the short time considering how long most have to save to even be able to buy a house in the first place.

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That I agree with, 6 months is plenty of time. Being able to keep the house is a reward for keeping subscribed.

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Originally Posted by Aeyis

In real life the landlord of a bought house is...you.

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In FFXIv, nothing is "yours" everything, including your character, everything on that character, your account, even the data on your computer that pertains to FFXIV is all the property of SE. So that analogy is irrelevant.

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Originally Posted by Aeyis

Because everyone else wants to enjoy gardening, chocobo training, or house decoration, right?

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Without housing available they don't have that choice.

Instanced housing would've solved this problem. ( ' - ' )b

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Originally Posted by SpookyGhost

Instanced housing would've solved this problem. ( ' - ' )b

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I would request SE to develop an apartment house due to scarce land issue in Eorzea.
Or Tree House.

A couple people are hung up on something I said on the first page but I have adjusted my stance a little, here is the clarification.

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Originally Posted by MageBlack

I fully support this!

They need to implement the 31day inactivity penalty they mentioned once upon a time I've changed my stance on this a little in further posts but some people seem to get stuck on this. I cant say how long it should be but perhaps 31 days after the persons subscription runs out or something else. There needs to be some cut off period where houses are assumed abandoned. Without an unlimited amount of housing plots available you cant just keep a plot indefinitely. Just set up all items to be returned to the calamity salvager along with the reimbursement of funds. It doesnt matter when you set this line, some people wont be happy but we need it. why would someone need to keep their plot if they havent subbed in 3 years, yet someone who plays every day is homeless cause none are available. There also needs to be other restrictions like one house per account/player/character (take your pick).

Regardless, the housing as it is needs some attention, its not utter garbage, but with SE adding in more content directly linked to it there are going to be people locked out of content for no other reason than just not being there in time. It becomes an unattainable goal.

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I like my hubby bring this up however only issue I see with land being reclaimed with some sort of token. Is RMT would own all the housing and only sell it to the highest bidder.

FFXIV ... need a house goto WWW.FFXIVMLS.SUCKS And pay for the lot you want. Does something to return lot to open and player gets lots.

Simple enough... houses shouldn't be a limited resource, that was bad design.

A house owned by an inactive account should literally burn to the ground for the neighborhood's amusement.