Too Fat. Put Dreamtoads and Gnats on a diet.

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Originally Posted by GreatLeviathan

Guys.... It's a game.. Who cares that a mouse gets up to your torso and stuff..
Thats the part called Fantasy... Imagination (if it is spelled correct lol)

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If this were a Princess Bride MMO, I'd be fine with rodents of unusual size... but it's not.

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Originally Posted by syntaxlies

ffxiv=food of the gods
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DuSwwZ1n6KU

skip to 39seconds for giant marmot

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Funny how they try to show it as some kind of horror movie then at the end goes "Rated PG" XD

But yes, proof that giant mice and things can indeed be dangerous.

Marmots are now justified :3

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Originally Posted by Sav

If this were a Princess Bride MMO, I'd be fine with rodents of unusual size... but it's not.

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So, what, giant sized rodents can only exist in Princess Bride?


...Oh wait I get it now! HAHAHAHA! /suicide

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Originally Posted by Zoltan

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chigoe_flea

Currently the carrion chigoe resembles more of a GIGANTIC termite than any type of chigoe.

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Good lord that picture is ghastly.

Linkables 1
Linkables 2
and let's not forget the biggest and most popular case of over-sized animals
Linkables 3

I'm fairly sure giant toads and gnats are now rendered to very minor and trivial things after watching those.

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Originally Posted by Sav

If this were a Princess Bride MMO, I'd be fine with rodents of unusual size... but it's not.

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they should def make a princess bride mmo, sign me up.

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Originally Posted by Konachibi

Funny how they try to show it as some kind of horror movie then at the end goes "Rated PG" XD

But yes, proof that giant mice and things can indeed be dangerous.

Marmots are now justified :3

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go 2 12 sec for giant dodo

Honestly I think the devs misinterpreted the original request. I don't believe it was to make the mobs giant. Rather the area where we click and target the mobs bigger. Right now, most of the mobs still have that tiny click and target area while the mobs themselves are now way too big. I really can't see in the dungeon with a toad sitting on me, it's annoying. Yes, I prefer the original size of the mobs. To me the larger size doesn't make them more "dangerous". It makes them... oversize, and player characters seems disproportionate compared to the monsters. The world was designed as a set, just making one set of the world bigger seems... lazy? It kind of ruins the "balance" in terms of the relationship between NPCs, monsters, and players. The new monsters Batraal and Ogre is fine, so is the Great Buffalo, they were meant to be gigantic. Gnats and marmots however, was not.

honestly although it sounds bad, its really a problem on gnats and toads for me, as a pugilist, the biggest problem is they still have a very small hitbox, pugilist has less range, so you actually have to get inside of a toad to hit them, if you actually stand close to them, you are out of range of their hitbox.

With gnats its also annoying because since they disappear often, needing one more step than feels natural to hit them makes them more annoying, but its not the end of the world

Thing to understand is Toads were already pretty big, when they made them bigger they introduced some issues, especially for pugilists. The really need to go back and alter the hitboxes of larger monsters so that your not out of range when you are an inch away from their faces.

All in all though i would put this pretty low on the list of issues to deal with, although i dont know why they created the issue to begin with, i dont really feel making them bigger than before helped/made the game better in any way

I think some monsters are nice larger but the couple mentioned are a bit too large. Maybe they just did a quick overall size increase on everything and they plan to adjust later after receiving feedback.

Horsegoats are cool. Mice and marmots are good. Toads I think are too large and the majority seems to think so too. Efts are a bit large. Gnats I am on the fence about. What else is there.... Great buffalo!! NM's have no limit!

I just did a Leve that required me to kill 7 Dream Toads. I could barely target anything. I fell inside them dozens of times. And I could barely see myself half the time.

It was easily the most fun I have had on a leve in this game, ever. Seriously, no sarcasm intended. I love the fact that they are ridiculously over sized and they make it difficult to see what you are doing. I would, however, be willing to accept Dreamtoads that Start out like normal toads shape and then puff up to ridiculously big.

If you care so much about the collision detection maybe you shouldn't have complained until they removed in from the game...

i like there size, toads for sure are fine, gnats are awesome to kill and visually see there deaths ..didn't notice it till there size was boosted on how funny they die. bigger mobs are usually funner to kill. just nothing like dhalmels, i hated targeting those in ffxi as a taru, it was very aquard ...if make them that big or tall, gotta make a better way to see them or target them maybe. perhaps it goes into aerial views on huge mobs like that, or option too click that on in menu, if not one and i not notice we have that option.

Maybe S.E have only buffed them up to this size temporarily as a way to show off and go "Look, even this big their texture and detail is still amazing".

Or perhaps the entire thing has something to do with Dalamund, I mean, that's a constant on-going event thing with lots of mini-events in it. Big red glowing moon thing causes excessive monster growth as well as glowing rats maybe?

was probably cause the targeting system sucked and tiny creatures only made it just as hard to target. then giant little creatures probably wouldn't make sense having with big creatures that are just bout the same size. so they just zoomed them all up. lol. but i still do think bigger is cooler, to a point. what we have now is just fine to me, not had any targeting issues even for great buffalo. nothing like dhalmels in game yet. then it will get anoying.

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Originally Posted by User201109011315

What other creatures are too big?

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Wow, I thought that "being too big" was actually a praise, not a problem to complain about.

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Originally Posted by Renshi

Wow, I thought that "being too big" was actually a praise, not a problem to complain about.

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It's the only time you will hear guys complaining about something being too big.

I am glad someone made a thread about this. Leves that have toads as targets get a little obnoxious, expecially when I end up fighting two at once and keep getting jerked around and somehow my camera can only find the inside or broad side of a toad and I can see what the hell I am doing.

This may sound like a dumb way to put it, but the point of targeting on the toad could be moved a bit more to the face region instead of the middle of the toad. That way you don't have to sit in its mouth to hit the thing. If that makes any sense. Or you could just make it smaller. I like fighting big scary beasties though.

Y'know what'd be funny?

An Archer's Light Shot missing a Dream Toad.

ALL HAIL ~@DREAMTOAD@~

What do Dreamtoads dream about d'y'think?

reduce their size by 1/2

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I feel that the elementals and cactuars are too large now.

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Originally Posted by quantumsaint

I feel that the elementals and cactuars are too large now.

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I feel that level 21 cactaurs using 1000 needles to do 1000 damage to my rank 23 conjurer that only has 650 health is a bit... wrong

I always thought cactaur looked a bit small though.

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Originally Posted by Konachibi

Y'know what'd be funny?

An Archer's Light Shot missing a Dream Toad.

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Don't laugh at my archer :( he does miss the toads... LOL :D
Even when standing 2 inches off it... lmao

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Originally Posted by GreatLeviathan

Don't laugh at my archer :( he does miss the toads... LOL :D
Even when standing 2 inches off it... lmao

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I seriously wonder how this works.

It's like when you play FPS games, and someone's point blank but no matter how many bullets you fire none of them hit him.

Toads need to be nerfed for their annoying as hell tongue.

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Originally Posted by Zantetsuken

Good thread.

Enough time passed since the original mob up-scaling that we can now give some grounded feedback on the scale of mobs.

Here are my recommendations:

Dream Toads [-30%] targeting/clipping issues.. and their size doesn't seem to reflect their power
Efts/Salamanders [-20%] targeting/clipping issues
Gnats [-25%] They look a bit strange at their current size
Marmots [-10%] Tails look low quality as they were originally designed to be very small.
Crabs [-10%] Often fight these in groups, would be nice if they were slightly smaller
Raptors [+10%] I think these guys should be a bit larger.
Antling [COLOR=darkgreen][+10%] [COLOR=black]These could also use a slight size boost.

Overall, it would be nice if mobs were scaled proportionate to their level (if they do it now, it's very slight). I don't mind if a dreamtoad is 30ft high as long as is over lvl 99 -- and we only have to fight one at a time. It also makes sense that a lvl 1 Marmot should be visibly smaller than a lvl 50 Dormouse.

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good post and I agree with these changes, pretty spot on though the color of antlings doesn't really bother me too much.

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Originally Posted by RathSkybreaker

good post and I agree with these changes, pretty spot on though the color of antlings doesn't really bother me too much.

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Hehe :p

I want a T-Rex, that'd be fun and cool, especially with this graphics engine :3

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Originally Posted by RathSkybreaker

good post and I agree with these changes, pretty spot on though the color of antlings doesn't really bother me too much.

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LOL, I don't know how that happened, but I fixed it.

Fat Dodo are too fa..overweight, please fix this SE! ;_; It's just not right:mad:!

Reduce Toads back to their original size, they were already big enough to be called Gigatoad >_> It's strange that Toads got significantly inflated in size and yet Peiste or Great Buffalo aren't.

I'm extremely disappointed by the fact that they don't have the ability to eat whole lalas. Seems like a missed opportunity...

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Originally Posted by Seif

I'm extremely disappointed by the fact that they don't have the ability to eat whole lalas. Seems like a missed opportunity...

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Agreed. Keep your fingers crossed for patch 1.28 :).

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Originally Posted by Konachibi

I seriously wonder how this works.

It's like when you play FPS games, and someone's point blank but no matter how many bullets you fire none of them hit him.

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Yeah or the "evade" if it was that easy to evade a arrow then why did so many die in the past by arrows :D
Guess it's all matrix style :D

Yes, please reduce their size.

Here is my epic toad picture

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Originally Posted by Sigmakan

Yes, please reduce their size.

Here is my epic toad picture

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or at least adjust camera angles and hit boxes so it doesnt look like they just haphazardly increased size without taking into consideration these factors (which they did) but at least nobody who plays it after they fix it will know about that screw up.

I think Gnats should be smaller. And why do they have Lightning attacks?? >_>

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Originally Posted by Konachibi

I feel that level 21 cactaurs using 1000 needles to do 1000 damage to my rank 23 conjurer that only has 650 health is a bit... wrong

I always thought cactaur looked a bit small though.

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FF tradition: 1000 needles always does 1,000 damage - regardless of level or defense.

Try bringing someone else to help soak up a portion of the damage if you can't take it all yourself.

The roegadyn are too fat on my screen, I demand that they be toned down to accommodate it..

My only issue with the toads and gnats is that if creatures that could zap you to death or eat galka sized adventurers in one gulp really lived just outside of major cities, they would be hunted down to extinction so fast, people would forget they existed in short order. Ditto for the dog sized mosquito's. But hey, its fantasy.