New Jobs Gated Behind Completion of 2.0 Story?

I personally could see all three new jobs unlocking outside of Ishgard proper. The Astrologian's branch guild already exists - the Observatorium. Machinist could actually be put in Limsa where the old Muskateer's guild was. And Dark Knight could start in Ul'Dah. Or the latter two could start in Coerthas Central Highlands as well.

Previously, Yoshi P had said the only requirement for the new jobs was level 30 on any existing class. That's about the level you head to Coerthas, so that makes total sense to me.

On the other hand, I'm going to be horribly disappointed if the new classes don't start at level 1. I rather like the leveling up process.

If we're going to quote the OP's linked article..

" “We were actually recently deciding what to call these jobs that don’t have a base class, and we’ve decided to call them ‘Extra Jobs.’ Just like when you can switch to different jobs when you’re at level 30, that applies to these as well. As long as any class or job is at level 30, you’ll be able to access any of these three new jobs.” "

There is no unlock quest.
The Ishgard quests should be for additional skills and story.

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Originally Posted by Valkrist

Now you're arguing in circles and choosing to ignore facts.

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Haha. These forums.

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Originally Posted by synesthetic

If we're going to quote the OP's linked article..

" “We were actually recently deciding what to call these jobs that don’t have a base class, and we’ve decided to call them ‘Extra Jobs.’ Just like when you can switch to different jobs when you’re at level 30, that applies to these as well. As long as any class or job is at level 30, you’ll be able to access any of these three new jobs.” "

There is no unlock quest.
The Ishgard quests should be for additional skills and story.

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Ill bite.
You also have access to white mage as long as you have conjurer at 30 and arcanist at 15. But you still need to unlock the job via a quest.

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Originally Posted by Seig345

classes can be changed to immediately, you just need a lv. 1 weapon.

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That only worked in 1.0
In ARR lv1 weapons are untradeable and you have to visit the guild to get it.

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Originally Posted by Blueyes

From http://blog.us.playstation.com/2015/...d-new-details/ on Mar 07, 2015.

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If you already own A Realm Reborn and you get Heavensward, you’ll be able to at least enter Ishgard. The new jobs added in Heavensward are not tied to the main story, so those are accessible as well.

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Regardless of if you completed 2.55 or not, you can still get into Ishgard and get access to the jobs. You just can't go too far past that. So the surrounding areas and the Heavensward story will be gated behind the 2.55 completion since they tie into the story. But if you completed up to 2.3 lets say...and then you buy Heavensward. You can go into the new city, get your shiny new jobs, then continue on with the story from where you left off with the new jobs (assuming it's been leveled.)

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Originally Posted by Iskander

Regardless of if you completed 2.55 or not, you can still get into Ishgard and get access to the jobs. You just can't go too far past that. So the surrounding areas and the Heavensward story will be gated behind the 2.55 completion since they tie into the story. But if you completed up to 2.3 lets say...and then you buy Heavensward. You can go into the new city, get your shiny new jobs, then continue on with the story from where you left off with the new jobs (assuming it's been leveled.)

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Why are people having so much trouble with this? That was the original answer. The new clarification voids that.

From the last live letter:

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Q: Can I go to Ishgard right after purchasing Heavensward?
A: In order to access Ishgard, you will first need to complete the main scenario quest "Before the Dawn," which will be included in FINAL FANTASY XIV: A Realm Reborn Patch 2.55.

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http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/226763

Remember that nothing is final until its released and even then things can change.

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Originally Posted by Iskander

Regardless of if you completed 2.55 or not, you can still get into Ishgard and get access to the jobs. You just can't go too far past that. So the surrounding areas and the Heavensward story will be gated behind the 2.55 completion since they tie into the story. But if you completed up to 2.3 lets say...and then you buy Heavensward. You can go into the new city, get your shiny new jobs, then continue on with the story from where you left off with the new jobs (assuming it's been leveled.)

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You pulled from a quote that was incorrect and clarified by a response from SE. Here is the entire statement. Correction and original answer.

Correction:
Naoki Yoshida: You will have to already own A Realm Reborn, plus complete all of the main story quests up through Patch 2.55. After that, an introductory quest for Heavensward will become available; accepting that quest will then guide you through the gates of Ishgard. All of the job quests related to the new jobs will be in Ishgard as well, so the condition to access those will be the same. If a player had stopped playing around Patch 2.2 or 2.3, it would be best to revisit the A Realm Reborn main story quests to get back into the groove as you head towards Heavensward!

Original Answer: If you already own A Realm Reborn and you get Heavensward, you’ll be able to at least enter Ishgard. The new jobs added in Heavensward are not tied to the main story, so those are accessible as well. In terms of the story, if you want to enjoy the Heavensward story arc, since it’s tied to the upcoming 2.55 patch, it’s a prerequisite to have finished that content. If a player had stopped playing around patch 2.2 or 2.3, I’d recommend choosing one of the new jobs and leveling that up while catching up on the story, then transitioning into Heavensward.

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Originally Posted by Mistoltin

Because why just get Expansion sales when you can force people to grind through the entire story and rake in that sub-money.

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The expansion package does not include subscription, unlike how the original Realm Reborn package included 30 days subscription time. You need to buy a subscription anyway to play. I know you're being sarcastic, but sarcasm doesn't work if you're poking in the wrong direction. :3

Now imagine if a newbie can skip everything in 2.0. What does that entail?

Either the newbie will buy the game and start with a Lv 50 character, or Ishgard needs to provide leveling content for Lv 1-50. That is quite a lot more unbelievable than tying 2.0 into 3.0.

For someone who has just purchased the game, would they be able to start with Rogue?
I'd take whatever that situation is as an example of what to see when Heavensward comes.

seriously.... new player have other stuff to do than simply rush for try the new jobs :x

and i will be blunt, expansion are not means for new player.... like said it's an "expansion" of the current content, the expansion are means to be humongous patch, generally they will change tons of stuff.... but if they have wanted, it was possible to simply call it the 2.6.... since it's what is it. the continuation of the story and the content.... then normally you need to complete the previous story for get acces to this.
by the way, be happy that ninja was given like this, because if it was me, i had gated it behind 2.2 story quest.

ps: i wonder how people will react when the 4.X will begin hehe, they will whine that they can't get acces to the new area because they need to finish the 2.x and 3.x story.

I personally like the idea and agree wholeheartedly that 2.0 MSQ should be prerequisite for both 3.0 content as well the newly released jobs. Is my stance subjective as someone who has completed 2.0? Maybe. You can't sincerely expect my interest to be for someone who has not even booted up FFXIV yet.

So much Q.Q for what's to be an EXPANSION.

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I'm way behind the curve, only started playing the game a couple of months ago and pretty much ignored the main scenario after hitting 50. So now I'm going HAM this weekend to try and catch up - did the entirety of 2.2 and 2.3 in one day yesterday, and planning on bashing out the rest over the next day or so.

It's an awful lot to expect brand new players to go through just to get up to speed and start playing the expansion, especially if existing players are going to be ditching everything 50 and below, it's going to be hell getting those trials and stuff completed - it's fine while there's still loads of overlevelled people doing roulettes, but who's going to still be doing that when 3.0 hits? There's a lot of impassable roadblocks in main quest progression which require duty completion, and without making sure existing players are incentivised to keep doing them through the duty finder, it's going to make for a horrible experience for any new players.

Why is this even a surprise? You could only start XI as one of 6 jobs. All other jobs were gated to lvl 30 and some quest. Rouge isn't a starting class. It's pretty safe to say all jobs for this point forward will be gated.

Okay, I'll chime in. My first question is... so what? It's locked behind a story mode and it makes sense to do so as there's no significant reason you should have access to Ishgard unless you were born there.

If you look at most expansion content on other games, it's the same deal. The shocker here is that the clue is in the name. Expansion, as in making something bigger. The core game is being expanded with new areas and story quests. FFXI may not have been 'gated' in quite the same way, but there was a significant jump in much of the expansion content. Try running around Aht Urghan with your level 30 weakling and say hi to the deadly level 70 Chigoes!

That's before I mention how Rise of the Zilart was locked behind the main bulk of the rank quests which involved taking down the Shadow Lord.

See? This stuff HAS been done before, it's not some alien concept. And to be fair to FFXIV, many of those new jobs also involved quests which were in very dangerous areas. Good luck surviving it if you don't already have a level 75+ job or some heavy duty mercenaries to help. Sneak and Invis doesn't work on everything!

I'm fairly certain the people complaining about it loudest simply don't want to play through the story. To which I'd ask 'why'? After all, story is central to a FF game, isn't that why you picked up the game in the first place?

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Originally Posted by Lemuria

I'm fairly certain the people complaining about it loudest simply don't want to play through the story. To which I'd ask 'why'? After all, story is central to a FF game, isn't that why you picked up the game in the first place?

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Well there that and the one that bitch about the localization team using English. You know like actual English, not, "Yo Son, why u be bow up? steps off b4 weeez b fi-ten".

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Originally Posted by Lemuria

I'm fairly certain the people complaining about it loudest simply don't want to play through the story. To which I'd ask 'why'? After all, story is central to a FF game, isn't that why you picked up the game in the first place?

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Because requiring brand new players - which one can only assume they're desperately trying to attract by selling XIV/Heavensward bundles - to grind through an entire game's worth of obsolete content in order to access the expansion they've just bought the game on the basis of is a horrible, horrible way of keeping people playing.

I don't think anyone is seriously suggesting people should be able to skip the 1-50 grind and go straight into Heavensward. But all the busywork after hitting 50, which will become increasingly pointless as the game goes on, is just slapping a massive roadblock in front of people. It'd be like if WOW made you take a time-out when you reached the end of each expansion area and forced you to grind out all the raid content before letting you move on to the next zone, ain't nobody got time for all that shit.

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Originally Posted by JimboTCB

Because requiring brand new players - which one can only assume they're desperately trying to attract by selling XIV/Heavensward bundles - to grind through an entire game's worth of obsolete content in order to access the expansion they've just bought the game on the basis of is a horrible, horrible way of keeping people playing.

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It's not as if the game takes that much time to complete. I have two friends who just started playing last week and already they're almost done with the main 2.0 story-- which is the longest part of the game. Once you've completed that, you can get through 2.1-2.55 in just a few days of playing for a couple of hours a night.

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Originally Posted by Lemuria

If you look at most expansion content on other games, it's the same deal. The shocker here is that the clue is in the name. Expansion, as in making something bigger.

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Right, but this is not making the game "bigger". It's making it "longer" (I guess they should've called it an Extension instead?); it does not expand the content of the game and your options with what to do with it, but only adds more "available after all the rest". Many old players (including me) have expressed the feeling of wanting to re-do 2.0 as one of the new job, and some new players (like my friend, who isn't going to get the game till June) will be joining JUST because of Heavensward. He did not buy FFXIV or ARR up to this day because he did not like it. And now it turns out he's gonna have to play a game he doesn't particularly enjoy before he can get to what he really bought it for (Dark Knight, he's obsessed with DRK, has only been playing FFXI for it so far).

Forgive the ugly paint skills! XD
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Personally I appreciate more when I am given the choice of what to do in the game and when to do it. Now, this time they wanted to tie Heavensward's MSQ to the base game's story, and I guess there is no argument here. But I just hope future expansions won't be tied like this. A player shouldn't be forced to go through something that he might have intended to do later, on a more enjoyable class. It hurts both the player and the game imo, because now I know there's many who are just rushing through the cutscenes without a care for it, just because of Heavensward's jobs. Maybe, had they been given the choice, they would have gone back to do the 2.0 MSQ at a later time, and maybe they would have enjoyed it and took interest in it, who knows?

I just think it is very bad service to the playerbase, is all. SE should keep in mind that there might be a reason why some non-XIV players are buying the game JUST NOW.

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Originally Posted by Bluevann

Right, but this is not making the game "bigger". It's making it "longer" (I guess they should've called it an Extension instead?); it does not expand the content of the game and your options with what to do with it, but only adds more "available after all the rest".

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Increased level cap, new skills, new dungeons and areas. You're right. How silly of me, none of this sounds like it's expanding on the original game. And absolutely none of it will be available outside of Ishgard. Nope, not at all. We're all shackled to the storyline like it or not.

...I think the sarcasm meter broke.

But honestly, if you're so bent on not completing the (very easy) storyline, then you only have yourself to blame for not getting the full enjoyment out of the game. You can also feel free to ignore every single expansion pack ever released for virtually every MMO in history, since almost all of them require a strong level of game progression to play.

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Originally Posted by Lemuria

But honestly, if you're so bent on not completing the (very easy) storyline, then you only have yourself to blame for not getting the full enjoyment out of the game. You can also feel free to ignore every single expansion pack ever released for virtually every MMO in history, since almost all of them require a strong level of game progression to play.

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I think I have posted this a hundred times now, this thread included, but I'll repeat myself once more.

DISCLAIMER I have only played FFXI before this game (forgive me, though I don't get what's so sinful about it, everyone gets angry when I say I have...), so I will compare it to FFXI because it's all I can do.

The first expansion's story was tied to the base game's story, much like Heavensward and ARR. But the jobs? No. The new areas (excluding endgame areas of course), no. They were packed with dangerous high level monsters, of course, but it provided still chances for exploration for the sneaky newbie to take a look around. And all the following expansions after that one (CoP, ToAU, WotG, ACP, AMK, ASA, SoA) did not require the base game's completion, but rather provided new stories, new ambientations and new things to do, "expanding" what can be done in Vana'diel and what stories could be told. Areas were easily accessible after one or two of the EXPANSION's quests, not the base game's quests, at any level. Sure you needed high level survive the content, but jobs and exploration were always allowed to the newer player as well, with only a lv30 requirement to unlock the jobs (much like we have with all jobs excluding Heavensward's so far). So point one, no, not all MMOs have done what SE is doing now, there is at least one who didn't, and I'm sure if I knew more MMOs I could find more.

But all in all, some people here are just taken aback by the sudden change of policy at SE with Heavensward, you see. Thanks to Sprint, you can explore the most dangerous areas even at level 1. I braved Mor Dhona as level 1 alts to get them that black bikini slipper in the past. A Realm Reborn was always very exploration-friendly, with easily de-aggroable monsters and rather safe paths. With Ninja and Rogue, they showed more friendliness towards the new player, not gating the class behind 2.2 MSQ's progress even though the plot details all imply they could/should've. And last but no least, contradictions are sprouting here and there with Yoshida's statements about the accessibility to HW jobs from last year to today. There is no reason to get angry or defensive to all those who are questioning this huge change of policy, so different to the flavor the game has had so far. I personally do not understand all this ill sentiment towards the players who here are seeking some clarification.

EDIT: Also I don't understand why with your sarcasm you're implying I think you're being silly. I do not. T-T .... I just have a different point of view from your own and am in no way feeling like we just cannot co-exist with opposed opinions. Let's agree to disagree, shall we?

I do wonder if the new jobs are Ishgard-only. to get there you'll have to go though Coerthas (no chocobos at lvl 1 and no airship access because Ishgard is not in Eorzean Alliance). if it is, then there's no way you'll be able to do 2.0 story as new jobs, IMO

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Originally Posted by Mistoltin

For someone who has just purchased the game, would they be able to start with Rogue?
I'd take whatever that situation is as an example of what to see when Heavensward comes.

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No
For Rogue you have to finish the lv 10 class quest from your starting class to unlock the armory system (so you can join the Rogue guild) and have to do the lv15 story quest if you don't start in Limsa (so you can travel to Limsa).

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Originally Posted by JimboTCB

It's an awful lot to expect brand new players to go through just to get up to speed and start playing the expansion, especially if existing players are going to be ditching everything 50 and below, it's going to be hell getting those trials and stuff completed - it's fine while there's still loads of overlevelled people doing roulettes, but who's going to still be doing that when 3.0 hits? There's a lot of impassable roadblocks in main quest progression which require duty completion, and without making sure existing players are incentivised to keep doing them through the duty finder, it's going to make for a horrible experience for any new players.

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I'm sure the trials and dungeons to complete the 2.0-2.5 story will be part of the coming 3.0 relic quest and other quests.
I'm sure the devs have already a plan how to keep players still doing those dungeons and trials.
Another example what the devs can do is giving those dungeons boss cards for triple triad (currently there are no real dungeon boss cards ingame)

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Originally Posted by JimboTCB

an entire game's worth of obsolete content

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It is only obsolete for you because you've done them all.

If 2.x content should be considered obsolete for someone who pick the game up, say at the end of this year, for the very first time in their whole life, then by the same logic, Lv 51-59 content are also obsolete the second you log in on the expansion launch date.

Possibly will be gated. As to how long it will be gated? Well, you see. XIV dev team has a very interesting way of nerfing gated content.

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Originally Posted by JimboTCB

Because requiring brand new players - which one can only assume they're desperately trying to attract by selling XIV/Heavensward bundles - to grind through an entire game's worth of obsolete content in order to access the expansion they've just bought the game on the basis of is a horrible, horrible way of keeping people playing.

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I don't view that as desperation. It's a pretty good idea to ensure that new players don't mistakenly think they can just buy the new expansion and be able to play the game.

FFXI shipped with the base game and first expansion in a bundle when it was first released to NA, and they continued the bundled sets with each new expansion.

It is a bit harsh but honestly it should have at least let you have access to those jobs at least with the completion of 2.0's story. Reason being cause you have to earn the right to do end game lol. 2.1 to 2.55, should unlock an area for end game like how FFXI did. You best bet there will be quests and stuff to make us redo 2.0-2.55 content to help new players advance.

If it's true that the quests to unlock the new jobs are in Ishgard proper, I have to agree that it's a quastionable decision. Imagine yourself in the position of a new player seeing all the news about Heavenward. They see the new jobs and go "Those look cool! I think I'll just buy this game." Then they log in for the first time and find out that they need to do a crap load of quests just to unlock them.

I think it's possible that although the new jobs are in an expansion zone, they aren't in the city itself. Not sure about the details that they have given, but I think they only said that you need to the main storyline to get into Ishgard, I don't think they said that you need to do it to enter any of the new expansion zones.

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Originally Posted by Gilthas

I think it's possible that although the new jobs are in an expansion zone, they aren't in the city itself. Not sure about the details that they have given, but I think they only said that you need to the main storyline to get into Ishgard, I don't think they said that you need to do it to enter any of the new expansion zones.

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All of the job quests related to the new jobs will be in Ishgard as well, so the condition to access those will be the same.

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Unless they change their minds, gated.

Seeing as one of the core features of FF14 is story, they'd be remiss to simply lop off the first segment of the story, which is just as much a part of ARR as the physical areas are. If they weren't, you wouldn't need ARR in order to play Heavensward. SE can simply make the older content a little easier and therefore quicker to get through.

Just get good and complete your story quests. It ain't hard.

It's funny the complaints in a thread on a forum that requires you to have an active account to post. There is literally nobody here that's affected by this.

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Originally Posted by Alistaire

It's funny the complaints in a thread on a forum that requires you to have an active account to post. There is literally nobody here that's affected by this.

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So only people affected by an issue are allowed to complain about it?

As for the topic, personally, if you haven't ever played ARR and you decide to pick it up with the expansion upon release and can't play the new classes from the very start then I'll be very disappointed. Unless you unlock the jobs at the same level you are, so at whatever point you are in the storyline you can just swap over, because if anything is majorly wrong in this game, it's the leveling the second time after finishing all the quests, and even with them it got very tedious many times.

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Originally Posted by LunaHoshino

It's not as if the game takes that much time to complete. I have two friends who just started playing last week and already they're almost done with the main 2.0 story-- which is the longest part of the game. Once you've completed that, you can get through 2.1-2.55 in just a few days of playing for a couple of hours a night.

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If your two friends got to level 50 in one week and did most of the 2.0 story, then they certainly played a lot more then a couple of hours a night.
As for the 2.1-2.55 I actually did those quests last week. Took me most of the week to do, while playing a good many hours each day..doing only that. (I did not skip text or scenes) It is not as fast as you claim it is for a newer player. Doing it in a few days requires quite a few hours of doing nothing but MSQ.


That said, due to its story driven nature; the entire expansion is locked behind the MSQ. That makes sense. A bigger question would be if they intend to make sure that the duties of the MSQ can be completed in a reasonable time. Currently it can take a bit of time to find a group for certain duties.

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Originally Posted by Aeyis

If your two friends got to level 50 in one week and did most of the 2.0 story, then they certainly played a lot more then a couple of hours a night.
As for the 2.1-2.55 I actually did those quests last week. Took me most of the week to do, while playing a good many hours each day..doing only that. (I did not skip text or scenes) It is not as fast as you claim it is for a newer player. Doing it in a few days requires quite a few hours of doing nothing but MSQ.

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The point is that if you are x person who doesn't care for the story it's easy enough to skip it and spam through content. What adds to the time it takes to complete 2.1-2.55 is all the CS. Heck if I get bored maybe I'll lv a healer and clock in how long it takes to complete the story if I spame through all the CS and text from 2.1+ cause it isn't as long as you might think. What makes the process long is taking the time to enjoy the story and for those who enjoy the story they will have no issue with Ishgard being gated by 2.55 completion because 3.0 is a continuation of those events rather than a full standalone story.

And again those who don't care for the story can just skip skip skip and it's pretty much.
Temple of Qarn NM, Bunch of Guildhest, Moogle, Levi, Ramuh, Snowcloak, Shiva, Keeper of Lake, Trial, Trial, and a bunch of single player instances and a bunch of open world "instance" fights sprinkled about and a lot of running around.

Whats wrong with gated content? If it is gated behind storyline then it pretty simple gate to unlock just, not like it saying you have to beat all of coil or something.

Well, if some people want to compare other gamers...

WoW, when WotLK was released, introduced the first Hero Class, the Death Knight. In order to use said class, you had to, at least, have a level 55 character. With that being said, you were completely unable use that class if you started the game as a brand new player. The level 55 content was half way into the Burning Crusade content, which is the first expansion. Even though WoW is not tied to a story like FF, you can access to any raid/dungeon whenever you can, the class was gated behind these pre-requisites.

SE's idea is not crazy and I don't really mind. A player who started ARR will still have 9 jobs to play with, with the motivation of getting the new classes when they ding 50 and run through the mainstory content. If you don't finish the main-story, you'll have some dungeons/trials unlocked even. We can't be 100% sure if all the ARR content will become obsolte when the expansion hits, so we'll see when the time comes. Now, this will be easier for SE, since they will not design weapons for pre-level xx (The starting level of the new extra classes). We also don't know if they're going to include a "power level" service in the Mogstation for brand new players that send them to level 50 with all the content unlocked. Maybe we can expect that in future expansions.

As a personal experience: Again, I created an alt, and when I got to level 50, it took me 2 days to finish the main-story up to 2.5. Obviously, skipping all the cutscenes, since I've watched them already. Now if you want to watch them, then enjoy them! You have no reason to complain if you want to watch them. About the new players, the "Think of the children" call... let them complain by themselves. Let them voice THEIR opinion when the time comes.

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Originally Posted by Aeyis

If your two friends got to level 50 in one week and did most of the 2.0 story, then they certainly played a lot more then a couple of hours a night.

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Or they're skipping cutscenes. You can make it to 50 in one week while watching all scenes, if you have a lot of free time.

It's normal for things to be gated behind expansions:

WOW: want to experience this awesome stuff? TOO BAD! get WOTLK <some other expansions> and level 55!
GW1 wanted to get to Elonia? TOO BAD! Get GW: Eye of the north!
FFXI: Wanted to get to these snazzy places with new jobs? TOO BAD! Get COP, TOAU, WOTG <insert other expansions here> and get level 30 to unlock the quests

I don't know if you're new to the mmorpg scene but this has been the norm since MMORPGs existed.

It doesn't even take that long to get through the main story nor level, at least a month 1/2 or so.

Yeah, that's really stupid. I even have a friend who really wanted to play a gun job, but he's probably not even going to play the game now if he can't do it from the beginning.

It's really not that hard to just let you go to ishgard if the guilds /have/ to be there.

Also some of the posts in this thread just appall me. Requiring a month and a half of work for new players to get to actual relevant content or to get to play the only class they may care about doesn't strike you as bad design AT ALL?

Honestly it makes me worry about this game's future. There's no way it'll last as long as say, WoW, with this design choice.

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Originally Posted by KodiHivaer

It's normal for things to be gated behind expansions:

WOW: want to experience this awesome stuff? TOO BAD! get WOTLK <some other expansions> and level 55!
GW1 wanted to get to Elonia? TOO BAD! Get GW: Eye of the north!
FFXI: Wanted to get to these snazzy places with new jobs? TOO BAD! Get COP, TOAU, WOTG <insert other expansions here> and get level 30 to unlock the quests

I don't know if you're new to the mmorpg scene but this has been the norm since MMORPGs existed.

It doesn't even take that long to get through the main story nor level, at least a month 1/2 or so.

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No other MMO has ever locked a new class behind anything. Once you bought the expansion you could go right away. Only exception being classes that didn't start at level 1, but even then that didn't require you getting to level cap, just whatever level they started at.