Dedicated Thread for Patch 2.55 Story Discussion/Spoilers

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Originally Posted by Arrak

I have two characters that are level 50 paladins. When asking Jenlyns about the Sultansworn with the character that finished the main story, I get an added conversation about

the monetarists and the sultana's "illness". Did I miss something? Is she not dead now?

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I did a little looking:

Speak with some of the NPCs around Ul'Dah, its being covered up. I doubt that Jenlyns' been informed

My thoughts

I don't know what to think. What were they thinking killing Nanamo. They kill off the interesting characters and frame our chars, I HATE HATE HATE it. I don't want to be a damn fugitive I am so pissed off.
I really dislike this trend of so many Lalafell being evil. They kill off our Lalafell role model but emphasise evil Lalafell left and right. :(

Was I the only person disappointed with the lack of the player characters agency within these cut scenes?

There's several points where it honestly feels like the PC who by this point has stopped several foes was treated as, well, inconsequential. The PC was set up to be a fall guy for the assassination. Ok, I don't know the average capability of a Brass Blade. But given the recent fight, I believe they should have had a lot more reaction to trying to arrest you. I fully admit I expected the PC to go willingly. But then it moves into Super Rubahan Z ok, that's fine. Then were told to run, ok, then we keep running as the Scion's do their last stands. It honestly just made me feel the Player Character was someone weak and needed to be protected. Instead of the fabled Warrior of Light. I just slayed a dragon, how much are these guards being paid to fight me? I feel it just leaves several mixed messages in terms of the character's status in the world.

Having finished the story im just.....i dont even know what to say.

My jaw is dropped to the floor, my eyes are watering and deep inside i pray that this is just a fancy "cliffhanger" and soon enough ill be reunited with the characters that i know you couldnt possibly have gotten rid of.

Right....RIGHT?? i know your just teasing us, make us hate you for the outcome of this main story part only to ease our hearts in 3.0 when this turns out just to be a bad dream.

Cause if its really true then i swear ill make a new character and stop just before 2.55 story living happily ever after in my personal bubble where everything is back to the good old happy days.


Seriously tho this was awesome, id rank this patch as one of the best since the launch of this game (despite its lack of any heavy content) and kudos to SE for making this amazing story.

Just finished. My god QQ That is all.

Wow, I have to say that the end of the MSQ was incredibly disappointing.

I mean by the time I got to Nanamo's scene I was so disgusted by all of the "idiocy as the plot demands" that I could not summon up any other feeling for the rest of questline. Compared to the impact of 1.0's ending (which had me excited for weeks and watching the "End of an Era" frequently), or even 2.0's 1-50 quest line the only lingering feeling this one leaves me with is apprehension for Heavensward. Not to mention as the "Warrior of Light" I did not feel any more engaged or relevant than an empty bottle.

Hildibrand's ending was done much better. On that note, I'm loving the forum icons. April Fools?

EDIT: Godbert! Excellent. :)

Well, I hated that thoroughly.

First of all as has been pointed out, the Scions are beaten by the brass blades???? The same brass bales we fight on very low levels...Seriously! As several others have pointed out, our character also seemed completely irrelevant in the story.

There are also untold things unexplained and to leave us with a cliffhanger is a truly pathetic gimmick.

I also don't understand how it works now.

If I am a member of the Immortal Flames, can I just port in now and do my supply and provisioning missions as usual... Unless Uld'ah is completely sealed of to our characters now it makes no sense.

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Originally Posted by Cynthis

I also don't understand how it works now.

If I am a member of the Immortal Flames, can I just port in now and do my supply and provisioning missions as usual... Unless Uld'ah is completely sealed of to our characters now it makes no sense.

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The evil lalafells, brass blades and crystal braves have all covered it up, what really happened has not yet been revealed other then smaller details so the immortal flames would not be aware of the situation as a whole.

Atleast thats the general assumption i get after trying to talk to some of the npc:s in uldah.

Perhaps that's right but

I went to the Immortal Flames and they gladly offered me a transfer there... but I shouldn't be able to just walk the streets in Ul'dah as if nothing happened.

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Originally Posted by Devils_Lawyer

The evil lalafells, brass blades and crystal braves have all covered it up, what really happened has not yet been revealed other then smaller details so the immortal flames would not be aware of the situation as a whole.

Atleast thats the general assumption i get after trying to talk to some of the npc:s in uldah.

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If you talk to Swift, he mentions that every detail of what happened is being covered up. Even the stuff about you.

/whyamigettinganunder10message

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Originally Posted by Cynthis

Perhaps that's right but

I went to the Immortal Flames and they gladly offered me a transfer there... but I shouldn't be able to just walk the streets in Ul'dah as if nothing happened.

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Well theres a few reasons for that and that is as a result of talking to npc:s in mor dhona.

1: They either dont bealive the accusations in regards to what happend and decides not to arrest you.

2: They dont want to die, afterall your the warrior of light, slayer of primals and god knows what and only a madman would piss you off.

For the games sake it would make no sense to not have acces to uldah for many reasons such as GC, crafting and such.

/tencharacters

I just wish they would have been more mindful with the 2 month gap between 3.0 launch and the events that happened.

We are wanted men by Ul'dah so they should have played into that while we wait for our asylum request from Ishgard for the next two months.

1) Walking around in the wild, a chance FATE should happen with Ul'dah assassins attacking us, even in the streets of the major cities.
2) Entering Ul'dah or even Reverant's Toll, we should have hooded robe costumes on us to show we are trying to lay low while in the cities.
3) The Brass Blades and Flames should be fighting in the street since Ul'dah would be plunged into Civil War after those events.

/10charfortheloveofthetwelve

I agree it makes no sense for the game which is what annoys me. The brass blades/crystal braves were perfectly willing to come after me AND all the scions together but now they just ignore me when I walk around Ul'dah with impunity stirring up the people against them, which you bet is what I would be doing.

No, the suspension of disbelief that requires is just too much...and yes, I know it's a fantasy game but I still expect it to make sense:)

It's probably been said already, but..

Thancred's English VA was on a pod cast recently, and if I remember correctly, he said he was signed through out the upcoming expansion?

So, it could mean Thancred is dead but the VA voices someone else. Or maybe Thancred is dead, but we see stuff through the echo? Or maybe something to do with Ascians. Or he's not at all dead.

Which gives me hope for the others as well.

And I was also hoping for something like.. being occasionally attacked in the streets of Ul'dah or something. But, the story is already a lot more than what I thought it would have been.

Having just finished 2.55

1: Knew I would be framed for killing someone (thought it would be Alleane) as soon as I acquired the poisoned vial. (thanks for the heads up Momodi you traitor!)

2: Not being able to respond when being arrested seemed wrong. I am a Dragoon, I am the Crimson Lance. I am the Warrior of Light. Do you think 4 plebians could take me? Ha!

3: What's up with epic NPC fights? If you are going to remove us from playing, at least give us cool fight moves too.

4: There are so many plot-holes in this storyline, Stephen Hawking wants a word with the writers.

5: If my best friend told me to "go" I would not. I would stay and beat face until I died.

6: Are we going to completely ignore all the plot holes? Seriously? I kept banging my head against my desk.

7: Then you add the Ascians to what? Get me hyped up over new future stuff? I could really care less. The one person who had knowledge on how to beat them, you already killed them off or did you forget?

8: This feels like a shitty ending for book 2, like when a season for a show ends and it is left on a (bad guys win) cliff hanger. It's tedius and let's face it, predictable.

9: Why would I go north? The badguys are in Uldah. Trust me. You give me a few days to call up some of my FREE COMPANY friends and we will steam roll all over those brass blades.

10: speaking of Canon, is this story before or after Turn 13, cus you know.. >,> If 8 players can beat Final Coil. You really think Uldah can beat us?

/end of rant? No not really but im too tired to care. Great job with the animations. ENG voice could do a bit of work. story: yeah no. im not upset on the contents. just how it was delivered. and that ruined it for me.

10charsetcetcetc

In general I was impressed with everything that they pulled, I didn't expect a lot of that to happen (Well, Nanamo has had red flags for months), but one thing really bugged me...

Are our characters really supposed to be that weak and powerless...and well, stupid? It was obvious something was up and yet they walked right into the trap and when the shit hits the fan they're taken captive and chased off by...Brass Blades and Crystal Braves? Seriously? I know technically we haven't been defeating Primals and Garleans and such on our own, but it kinda pisses me off to see my character, a woman who has defeated Bahamut, being handcuffed and thrown to the ground like some lowly NPC without putting up any fight or trying to help the Scions. It's just frustrating.

Also, kinda sad they didn't set up the Au'Ra more. Yugiri just sort of appears, you look shocked for a moment then everyone moves on. I was kind of expecting at least a little set-up as to why Eorzea is going to be crawling with them come Heavensward suddenly, when they've been absent thus far.

Well keep in mind that...

We did have our big mother crystal (whatever her name is) powers removed by the evil dragon and before you say "but the trial fight...." we did use some heavy weaponry and reinforcements to kill it.

I agree with everyone that my character isn't weak. I'm i120, I think I could do more than sit and look sad.

ten characters and such~

I thought our weakness was from whatever Midgardsormr did to us. Story wise, we haven't done a lot from between when he did that to us, and to this point. And everything we had done up to this point might have been from weak fumes left behind.

I'm probably over looking something though.

/damn10characterswhy!

Overall, the story was create but the aftermath of what happened just doesn't sit right with me. I just escaped from Ul'dah now in Coerthas then i just stroll back into Ul'dah as if nothing happened. Its funny i tried speak with the Brass Blades and Crystal Braves in Mor Dhona and one said "Oh im not allowed to take you in because of people around and can't fight in town". It would be better if at random points Brass Blades or Crystal Braves attack you randomly in Ul'dah territory. Right now it just seems a bit immersion breaking :/ But still good story. Also why the heck can Brass Blades and Crystal Braves take me down? That is just weird to me. I have killed Bahamut Prime, Primals and fought Midgardsormr but a few Brass Blades and Crystal Braves can handcuff me and put me to the floor. Ok SE ok.

I cried at the end, God I hope Thancred isn't dead.

/damn10characterswhy!

[SPOILER]My Thoughts, i do not think any of those Scions are dead. I think they were taken in the light because they still had the blessing. They will re-appear before us sometime in 3.0[/SPOILER]

we may get a hint on 4/11

All I can say is WOW... I am speechless. Thoroughly Enjoyed it!!

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This sums up everything for me. Soooooo many things happened that I don't know even where to start!!

So, I'm curious...

Anyone without a Level 50 CUL and haven't finished the CUL quests? I'm curious to see if they changed anything.

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Originally Posted by Shyluv

So, it could mean Thancred is dead but the VA voices someone else. Or maybe Thancred is dead, but we see stuff through the echo? Or maybe something to do with Ascians. Or he's not at all dead.

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Given that the focus in the expansion is going to be primarily on Ishgard, I can't see there being a ton of scenes involving the Echo as (AFAIK) none of the Scions have had any sort of real interaction with Ishgard before 2.4. I also don't think he would be saying he was doing a significant amount of dialogue if it was just Echo flashback scenes.

So here's hoping...

/thisiswaymorethan10char...

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Originally Posted by LunaHoshino

Given that the focus in the expansion is going to be primarily on Ishgard, I can't see there being a ton of scenes involving the Echo as (AFAIK) none of the Scions have had any sort of real interaction with Ishgard before 2.4. I also don't think he would be saying he was doing a significant amount of dialogue if it was just Echo flashback scenes.

So here's hoping...

/thisiswaymorethan10char...

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I agree. Mostly just grasping at straws as far as possibilities go. I think Kyomagi probably has it right.

I wonder.. if we saw some of the new upcoming moves in the cutscenes:
Ilberd's flameslashthingy, yshtolas superholy, papalymos limitcharge...

strategy on the steps of faith fight, mild spoilers!
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Originally Posted by DragonSlayer45

So, I'm curious...

Anyone without a Level 50 CUL and haven't finished the CUL quests? I'm curious to see if they changed anything.

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I really am curious about this too given, y'know, The Things That Happened. Square's usually pretty good about referencing events but in this case it'd kind of require a complete alternate way for that quest to occur.

Echoing a lot of the other posters in this thread, I found the story atrocious. Highly disappointing. I'm confident I could have written something better in a single day. This was not the high-quality, involved, intricate and clever plots we are used to from the Final Fantasy series.

I mean who wrote this? Someone who's never read a book or watched a TV series? Was it specifically scripted for the under fives? It had all the nuance of a Pokémon episode. Tell me it wasn't Fernehalwes' doing? Surely not?

Ach, I'm sorry to come across as so negative, but this is the most disappointment I've felt for a story since series three of Once Upon A Time started.

Fortunately for S-E, I'm content capping my classes and farming gear until Heavensward, which I've already paid £130 for the privilege of being able to play in a few months. I just could never recommend a friend invests time playing this game.

This just makes every speculative thread before today funny...

Who has plot armor????

Nobody....

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Originally Posted by Mjollnir

This was not the high-quality, involved, intricate and clever plots we are used to from the Final Fantasy series.

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... have we played the same games? Don't get me wrong-- I love the FF games, but those are not descriptors I would ever use to describe their plots. They're pretty standard JRPG fare.

The last cutscenes:

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Originally Posted by LunaHoshino

... have we played the same games? Don't get me wrong-- I love the FF games, but those are not descriptors I would ever use to describe their plots. They're pretty standard JRPG fare.

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This. I don't know what Final Fantasy did this person play, but as far as I remember, their story was really basic (except for Tactics for the PSX). Maybe he thought the plot was amazing back then but if you replay it, you'll notice that it's not. Don't get me wrong, though, I really enjoyed the saga. However, both Chrono Trigger and Chrono Cross had a way better story than any FF tittle and it's from the same company.

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Originally Posted by LunaHoshino

... have we played the same games? Don't get me wrong-- I love the FF games, but those are not descriptors I would ever use to describe their plots. They're pretty standard JRPG fare.

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Of the FFs I've played to completion, FFVI, FFVII, FFVIII, FFIX, FFX, FFX-2, FFXI and even FFXIV 1.x that applies, for me (idk about XII, didn't get round to finishing it)

The combination of killer storyline and original game mechanics has always been the thing that has drawn me to FFs.

Bravo Yoshi and team. Bravo.

I enjoyed the ending overall it was entertaining especially the Raubahn stuff.

Sad to see so many of the characters die (maybe)

. I also liked the little bit of story with Tataru it was pretty funny, a bit out of place but funny.

Wow. Has Pokemon got more gorey since the original series?

I can't recall anyone losing a limb in that show. Gushing blood was absent with Raubahn, but still. That was more gore than I was expecting.

I was really counting on plot armor to save the Sultana. And based on that one NPC, for all we know it still might. But I was fully not expecting,"We're killing almost everyone off! ...or are we?"

When the Sultana cried in a previous patch everyone thought maybe Raubahn had died. Which, he hadn't. I was expecting something like that again. Even more so when we find that Crystal Braves soldier person in Urths Fount, dead. I was naive and thought that was going to be the mystery person who dies. So I completely dropped my guard after that. I knew something was still not right. But I wasn't at all expecting what happened, to happen.

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Originally Posted by Mjollnir

The combination of killer storyline and original game mechanics has always been the thing that has drawn me to FFs.

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The storylines certainly aren't bad, but they've always been pretty trope-y and have shared numerous similarities to most of the other JRPGs that I've played (the Tales of series, the Shining series, the Star Ocean series, Lunar, etc.). They're fun and I enjoy them, I just wouldn't say any of them are examples of amazing writing, not even FFX (which is my favorite).

/damn10characterswhy!

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Originally Posted by Remus

I have killed Bahamut Prime, Primals and fought Midgardsormr but a few Brass Blades and Crystal Braves can handcuff me and put me to the floor. Ok SE ok.

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In all those cases you were in a party... You didn't solo Bahamut Prime... You didn't solo primals... you didn't solo Midgardsormr... As dps you rely on tanks and healers... as tank you rely on dps and healers... and as healer you rely on dps and tanks... you were in that cutscene alone without backup. There might also have been more people around than what we could see.