I main tank right now, and already play it like a DPS. I don't know if I could possibly be more DPS-like as Dark Knight, but I'm willing to step up to the challenge!Quote:
Originally Posted by TruebladeNuke
On a side note, does anyone else here read DRK as 'dork'?!?
Who else's not looking forward to Dark Knight?
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03-13-2015, 04:46 AMWhiston
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03-13-2015, 04:51 AMKittytheSheGeek
As a DPS who will be "flocking" to this class, I must say I am very excited for its release. I've been waiting for a tank class that interests me since launch, as I have zero interest in the Pally or Warrior. I'm actually excited to finally give tanking a proper try, and I am determined to learn how to do it well.
If DK isn't your cup of tea, fine. But don't be a dick to people who are excited for it just because you don't like the class. Give some of us a chance to actually learn how to play the class properly before you decide we all suck. Anyone who understands the mechanics of party roles will know that a tank and a DPS are totally different. You're not the only person in the game who understands this. -
03-13-2015, 06:24 AMIzsha
I'm mildly intrigued. I'll level it and maybe I'll love, maybe not. But as for being terrified of idiots tanking in my dungeons? I'll be leveling dark so if there's a stupid dark in my parties it's my fault. Don't have to worry about other tanks if you are the tank.
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03-13-2015, 06:38 AMXenosanD0RK label thrown around a lot like loldrg and galkamage back when i ff11'dQuote:
Originally Posted by Whiston
> You use Berserk
> You use Last Resort
> You use Soul Eater
>> You miss.
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>> You are defeated by wild hare. -
03-13-2015, 07:41 AMTruebladeNukeHeh, I only play as a DPS-Tank when I'm out in the open fields, OTing a HM primal, or in the Main Scenario dungeons when someone else stepped up as MT.Quote:
Originally Posted by Whiston
Speaking of DPSing as a Tank, I still can't help but have this feeling that DRK is going to be the most DPS based job of the 3 Tanks, while still having all the essential functions of proper tanking through its abilities and traits, resulting in PLD's being the most defensive, DRK's being the most offensive, and WAR's being somewhere in-between.
But... too early to tell right now of course. :p -
03-13-2015, 07:46 AMrjspencer4
DRK was actually the reason I started playing this game. I even started off as a tank so I could learn as much about tanking as possible in the meantime.
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03-13-2015, 02:10 PMScruffyx
I don't think people will treat it like a DPS job, so I'm not really worried about it. I actually think the majority of DRKs will be people who already play a tank, like myself. Can't wait for DRK.
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03-13-2015, 02:52 PMSeaverin
I hope most people don't treat DRK as a dps. I'm just glad that DRK will use MP instead of TP; it will put bard players to work, instead of just using one song 24/7.
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03-13-2015, 06:32 PMelemental10
History repeats itself.
Remember when NIN was the hype job?
Now i'm seeing the usual BLMs and BRDs back. And among the trashy NINs, there are actually some who really excel at it.
Same with DRK. Play it, learn it, love it or hate it, it will eventually go back to a balanced WAR, PLD and DRK proportions. Maybe a bit more for PLD. -
03-13-2015, 09:31 PMDSaint
Im more in the
vanillavanity thing.
If DRK can vanity slim blades or curved blades, then I will give a deep look into skills and overall gameplay, aka try it myself.
If better than PLD, then DRK would be my main. -
03-13-2015, 11:10 PMRbstr
Wouldn't be so sure about Bard's being put to work...I'm betting one of the new classes has a target-able mp refresh version of goad.
This is the most likely happening. People talk a big game but I can't imagine that DRK is going to bring a boatload of new people to tanking on any more than a temporary basis. Certainly people will flock to the new stuff, but there'll be three new shinies all at the same time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scruffyx
I'm sure, at Heavensward, lots of statics will shake up roles and the like, but I just don't see the tank population changing much in proportion to how it is now. -
03-13-2015, 11:38 PMSynestr
Three new shineys as well as 10 lvl of re-upping on current thangs. All will be well in the world of Eorzea.
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03-14-2015, 04:14 AMInstrumentalityI'm with this guy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scruffyx
I play a tank because I like tanking and I'm going to try DRK out and, barring terrible weakness, most likely will main it for 3.x raiding since Warrior bores me to tears and Paladin is getting a little stale. So I'm looking forward to it, and I doubt many 'DPS going DRK' will stay that way since tanking isn't something many people enjoy doing. -
03-14-2015, 04:21 AMTalia_Hailwind
With so many playing death knight healers will get all the adventurer in need bonuses (HOORAY)
However 3 more new classes means that unless we get more chests or armor get cross classed, the 1/10 chance of loot for your class just dropped to 1/13 now that we have that many classes.
This will piss off alot of raiders who want their weekly loot, and it will only get harder. -
03-14-2015, 05:08 AMInfiniteRefrain
The only people who should confuse it would be the new/lapsed players; but for the most part I see it happening very rarely.
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03-14-2015, 07:53 AMSeaverinMaybe not so much, machinist supposedly have an ability for MP tick shots, but all the old jobs will have new abilities when expansion comes. I just said bards coz they are the current "refresher support job" with mp. Can only speculate who will be the "ideal" or "preferred" party setup for Drk as tank.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rbstr
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03-15-2015, 08:22 AMPenutButter
God jeese, its not that hard to learn to tank. In fact, tanking is the easiest freaking job in the game, especially for PLD. Where is this high and mighty attitude coming from?
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03-16-2015, 07:02 PMArcaviusGreyashe
As there is a difference between a damage dealer and a Damage Dealer, there's a difference between a tank and a Tank. Tanking is not only about holding enmity. Our main job is to protect the party, so yeah, if you wanna be a tank That only does That, your job is simple... But the real tanking is way more interesting, and way harder to learn.
You have to quickly gauge your team, in terms of gear and in terms of psychology, to make sure everything stays under control when you decide to take initiatives. Tanks are often parties' leaders because.. Well, we're the ones leading the party, literally, and that's what being a tank is about. I'm not saying we are chosen, superior to those filtby damage dealers and those damned hippies calling themselves healers. Some "DD going DRK" may become better tanks that I've ever been and will ever be, but not everyone can be a Tank, as not everyone can be a Healer, as not everyone can be a DPS. People are different. -
03-17-2015, 04:18 AMZykorProbably not, at least since the comment made by YoshiP during the PAX event. If I remember correctly, the phrase went down something like, "For those who would run raids and not get any loot for weeks... rest assured, the loot system is changing in 3.0!"Quote:
Originally Posted by Talia_Hailwind
A FC member and I have begun speculating what that could be, and the most logical one is something similar to the antique armor drops. Let's say an "antique" chest piece drops, and anyone can roll on it, then whoever gets it can go and trade it in for their class piece.
Are we including DPS into that roster?Quote:
Originally Posted by PenutButter
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03-17-2015, 05:00 AMImladris
My 'worry' is not so much will a DRK tank be a good one or not, is how long it will tank a new DRK tank to be able to hold aggro, as a consideration towards how geared will a DRK tank be at the start of it's progression. I.e. will the Dark Knight have gear at the start to be able to tank a darn thing, or will it be going through the usual gear progression, that prevents said such from being able to hold aggro, in a party with the same overgeared older Jobs, that makes for tanking 'heck' (at least,) for PLD and WAR tanks, undergeared as they are, as a fresh 50 tank is.
If a new 50 DRK tank 'has' the gear at the start, to hold aggro, that a fresh 50 PLD/WAR doesn't, at roll start, then said PLD/WAR types should complain at the devs, a tad bit. (Even if we all can play the same Jobs, regardless.) As such, I expect just because a DRK tank can start at 50, doesn't mean they will have the gear to tank properly. No Staples 'that's easy' button there, for DRK tanks, I suspect. -
03-17-2015, 05:07 AMAdolen
I play healers/dps more often than tanks, so I'm neutral with the Dark Knight class. I may give it a shot later on.
I'm more looking forward to trying out Astrologian. The card aspect of the class really appeals to me! -
03-17-2015, 08:48 AMRbstrWhy would DRK be any different than classes now?Quote:
Originally Posted by Imladris
It's been made clear they have to level up to 60, just like any class (admittedly we don't know if it starts at 1 or 30 or something else). Presumably DRK will wear tank gear so their gear situation would be the same as any other tank at the same level...
Even if, for a crazy reason, DRK doesn't wear War/Paly gear, they'd have to add in a bunch of level appropriate gear for leveling. At 60 they'd be on the same page as everyone else with tome gear or raid drops or whatever.
If we look to Ninja as an example of an added class/job, they used current gear all the way up to i110. You could have had an i110 ninja immediately upon hitting 50 if you did a teeny bit of planning. -
03-17-2015, 12:43 PMAshkendorThere's going to be just as many if not more playing Astrologian, though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Talia_Hailwind
Definitely more playing Machinist.