How to cheese tournament TT

I managed to get to third place on gilgamesh by actually playing against multiple people with high point values. The dream got crushed pretty fast when I got knocked to 4th place and 2nd(soon1 st) got overtaken by a guy with not only a ridiculous amount of points but a match left to spare.

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Originally Posted by Shinun

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Same here Shinun, I worked my butt off trying to get these cards and in your same shoes I was doing the tournament battle with the King @ Gold Saucer while que'd for my 40th attempt at trying for a Bartz card (when will he drop?) and then after I got hit with a window saying I can't battle anymore for the tournament I thought the tournament time was already over and I thought it lasted for the entire week and now I'm like...well if I would've known you only get 15 battles I don't know what I would've done to get more points. :<

Would really like a reply about this. At least some BS response like we want players to interact more with each other or something to justify this.

I really enjoyed the card grind. That "fun" cannot last, but I thought "Just wait until the tournament...that's where the real game of Triad begins..."

Boy, was I wrong...

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Originally Posted by AryaSpark

I really enjoyed the card grind. That "fun" cannot last, but I thought "Just wait until the tournament...that's where the real game of Triad begins..."

Boy, was I wrong...

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Yeah... I think we all are in the exact same situation... Hoping for a real tournament but then we just got slapped in the face.

Kinda doesn't even make TT worth i even more. Might go back to VIII lol

Between the silly rare card rule, random, and this "tournament", I pretty much lost all interest in playing Triple Triad ever again.

The tournament is fucked in all servers. Se have to remove all reward this week and really works on a fair system.

I'm currently 3rd on Behemoth and even i agree. Wipe the board start again with fair rules and a new system in play. I'll be lucky to stay in top 20 with all the cheating that is going on.

People has been abusing that in my server the entire day now lol.

Ya I think they should make Lightning card available after the tournament and sell it for 1 million mgp like the Cloud card so we don't miss out on this because of the cheaters.

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Originally Posted by Aikaal

and I completely agree with you. But people will abuse the system to get unique cards.

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Unique cards and 140,000 MGP toward Fenrir mount. And as long as the card is still sellable to the NPC for more MGP then you'll probably see the same people on the top over and over.

Some guy in Cactuar is actually making some gil with this tactic.
I tried tournament myself but I'm completely mind broken from hours of King Elmer play.

wondering how long til we get n official response from a GM on this subject they should take immediate actions n cancel the current tournament n rewards til they put a fix in place espiecally if people are paying 400k per win at 15 wins = 6m they have wasted for nothin LOL thats not including the fact they could be paying more

will be fairer to every1 playing the game properly and will be a smack in the face for those cheaters looking for a quick n easy way to get on top

Things that won't happen: the current tournament being canceled.

This that might happen: changes made to the next tournament.

Things that should happen and still could, but almost certainly won't: the Lightning card being given to everyone who participates in the tournament.

Also, there are three more cards that are not currently in game. I'm betting that they are intended as future tournament rewards, so limiting the Lightning card to the top three win-buyers is even worse.

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Originally Posted by Spawnie

wondering how long til we get n official response from a GM on this subject they should take immediate actions n cancel the current tournament n rewards til they put a fix in place espiecally if people are paying 400k per win at 15 wins = 6m they have wasted for nothin LOL thats not including the fact they could be paying more

will be fairer to every1 playing the game properly and will be a smack in the face for those cheaters looking for a quick n easy way to get on top

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A japanese CM said that the system will be reworked next week (or asap) with all the players feedback. No news about a possible cancel.

-> http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...39#post2815739

Its even easier than you think.

I pay for two accounts to dual-box. I have several Gold Saucer qualifying characters. I can do this all day long without paying a single gil.

System is so whack.

They're not going to cancel the tourney, nor should they IMO.

PPL are always going to game the system and I don't fault those who find the best way to do it. It's up to SE to prevent that.

I'm glad their changing it but I do hope they go one step further and nullify/cancel this tournament.

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Originally Posted by AryaSpark

They're not going to cancel the tourney, nor should they IMO.

PPL are always going to game the system and I don't fault those who find the best way to do it. It's up to SE to prevent that.

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Why shouldn't they? None of the people that qualify for prizes played the game legitimately so their scores should not be considered legitimate. People that spent gil trying to buy wins deserve to lose it to be honest. They should either cancel the tournament or just award everyone the prize regardless of placing.

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Originally Posted by AryaSpark

They're not going to cancel the tourney, nor should they IMO.

PPL are always going to game the system and I don't fault those who find the best way to do it. It's up to SE to prevent that.

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You're a funny man. You say it's up to SE to prevent people from gaming the system, and at the same time you say they shouldn't cancel the tournament. Cancelling the tournament is exactly what you suggest - SE preventing people from cheating.

I find it innacceptable that Square Enix again did something like that.
Triple Trial is the best thing they have done so far imo. But this tournament is just sensless:
You can hire some friends with higher elo than you and ask them to let you win
You can give money to people and ask them to lose...
In my server some dude are paying 5 10 15 millions gils to win all their matchs

Square ENix if you read this please next time change the rules:
Just create a place for matches where trade is unavailable,
or dont let people fight who they want, choosing 10 15 NPCs would be a great idea as well
And don't let people watch the elo...

This tournament became an auction sale...

i think square enix had an idea of what they were doing, but there are a few major floors.

first, they needed some sort of match making system, that way you can't just challenge an alt for a free win. simplest way to solve that is have the person que up and then the 2 contenders get teleported to an instanced off room. Second, 15 matches for a whole week is stupid. that is way to small of a number when using a ranking system because thats what this, not a tournament. with such a small number people would still que up against each other in off hours and wintrade. also a it would need a proper system that deducts points for losing and matches higher ranked people against other higher ranked people. This is very important if you want a dynamic ranking system where the person at the top can't grind wins and be untouchable.

what they need to do is make it ranking battle season that last 1 to 2 weeks and the top 10 rated people get a lightning card. first place could just get a larger amount of mgp.

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Originally Posted by Riepah

You're a funny man. You say it's up to SE to prevent people from gaming the system, and at the same time you say they shouldn't cancel the tournament. Cancelling the tournament is exactly what you suggest - SE preventing people from cheating.

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No. What they should have done is spent 10 seconds thinking about this format before green-lighting it. But now if they cancel it, they'll be screwing anyone who played legit and placed.

When SE learned that ppl were exploiting Ramuh EX by using titan-egi, they didn't wipe ppls wins/gears. I'm sure there are other examples of this.

PPL are going to game the system. It's not those players fault they figured this out. Asking for the tourney to be canceled is the plea of a hater.

I want them to fix the format and I don't want them screwing a single person that placed legit in the process.

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Originally Posted by AryaSpark

PPL are going to game the system. It's not those players fault they figured this out. Asking for the tourney to be canceled is the plea of a hater.

I want them to fix the format and I don't want them screwing a single person that placed legit in the process.

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It is equally the players fault when they misuse something as it is SE's fault for lack of foresight leaving it open to abuse.

You are right in that they will not cancel the tournament though, I do not think they need to personally but they need to have no further tournaments until it is fixed after this one has ended. Ideally also prevent cheaters from gaining the Lightning card, the MGP reward does not matter as MGP is not gated and can be obtained many other ways but the card cannot. Yes SE cocked the mechanics of this up by allowing players to pick their own opponents, they need to remove that option as top priority but those abusing the system are not blameless, are not innocent and yes they are also partially at fault for exploiting it and ruining the spirit of the tournament for the vast majority of others. If anything I have more contempt and disdain towards people paying to win in this case than I do at SE for their bad design of the match making system used.

What SE could do if wanted to be really sneaky is make some characters in game themselves and then place them in the top 3 spots on each server to stop anyone from benefiting potentially from cheating to gain the unique/limited cards (it is cheating, in no real world card tournaments would you ever be allowed to benefit from paying to win via buying those wins and would get banned from the tournament if found out). They just need to create temporary in game characters and manually place their scores and by proxy their characters at the top 3 spots on each server to stop anyone getting the cards this time around while the system is broken. Anyone could get MGP at any time from many other sources but those cards are very limited so that is the major problem which people have in letting this tournament continue with cheaters at the top spots on many servers.

Here is what I think would be fair and not ruin a tournament. It should be all NPC's so tournament day;

Walk up to Tournament NPC,

Sign up for tournament, get teleported to a room with your NPC opponent on other side and they say some stuff, you win or lose, and then you proceed to the next opponent as they walk up to the table as the other NPC walks away. It keeps on doing this until you reach the 15th NPC, after the rounds are over, they tally the scores up against your win/lose/draw scores and if you are in the top 3 you get the Lightning card. If you don't win then you can try again next week unless they remove the reward from tournament play.

I've been wondering... Do you get more points for USING a higher tier deck?

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Originally Posted by Rahsch

Here is what I think would be fair and not ruin a tournament. It should be all NPC's so tournament day;

Walk up to Tournament NPC,

Sign up for tournament, get teleported to a room with your NPC opponent on other side and they say some stuff, you win or lose, and then you proceed to the next opponent as they walk up to the table as the other NPC walks away. It keeps on doing this until you reach the 15th NPC, after the rounds are over, they tally the scores up against your win/lose/draw scores and if you are in the top 3 you get the Lightning card. If you don't win then you can try again next week unless they remove the reward from tournament play.

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Actually not a bad idea, I could see this.

Perhaps SE knew what they were doing and simply wanted to leave it up to the players on how they want to run the tourney.
We dun goofed and SE must be like sigh starting to lose hope in our community runned events.
They provided us with the tools and we used it to make shit.
Also ofc this is why we can't have nice things doing stuff via the intended way.

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Originally Posted by Yumi_umi

They provided us with the tools and we used it to make shit.
Also ofc this is why we can't have nice things doing stuff via the intended way.

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Everywhere in the world there will be someone trying to exploit his position and/or powers, be it a politician, company employee/manager/director or just plain folks doing what they can to abuse the system. Some are just plainly corrupt and pay people to shut up/ vote for them/ put their money somewhere so they don't pay taxes / etc

IF YOU REALLLLYYYY didn't see that coming, well you must be either really young or super deluded about our current modern society lmao.

Especially when it comes to online gaming, with no repercussions and with only 3 chosen ones who can earn a unique card. AND a whole bunch of MGP (140,000 MGP is quite some time saved, even when you take 7K MGP per hour of farming Indolent Imperial into account, that's still 20 hours of grinding you don't need to do with that prize)

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Originally Posted by Riepah

They really dropped the ball hard on this one. They should hotfix-cancel this tournament and overhaul the system.

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Agree, and if they did I'll be waiting with bated breath for the salty tears of those who paid millions for wins to have it turn to naught XD

I can hope :P

Everyone should get Lightning's card for participating in this broken tournament. But, that will probably never happen.

I didn't get a lightning card, and I played legit. I came close to getting in the top tier. If only I woulda spend some gilz....

You know what's worse? The next tournament card is going to be Cecil, so expect the same exploits on the next tournament, I don't think they will fix this soon. (I hope they prove me wrong though.)

They just need to make tournament cards available after its over via the card seller npc for 1 mil Gil.

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Originally Posted by RedAntares

I don't think they will fix this soon. (I hope they prove me wrong though.)

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According to this thread (here) the purported fix will be coming in 2.55, on March 31st. This means that the next tournament will still have the old method (and unsportsmanlike behavior), but it will potentially be the last tournament that will.

Key word being "potentially". No details have been given as to how they've reworked the tournament, only that they have planned to do so.

They did some useless hotfixes for dyes, but they do not care enough about wintrade.

Interesting SE, interesting.

Changes to come only on the patch of March 31st.

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Originally Posted by Madigari

According to this thread (here) the purported fix will be coming in 2.55, on March 31st. This means that the next tournament will still have the old method (and unsportsmanlike behavior), but it will potentially be the last tournament that will.

Key word being "potentially". No details have been given as to how they've reworked the tournament, only that they have planned to do so.

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That they allowed the first tournament to go the way it did was disgusting as hell. If they're really going to make another cheat-tournament before fixing it, I'll lose any faith I had left for them.

they didnt allow it, they implemented several mechanics which make wintrading unattractive

but players will always find a way to trick the system