Vampires in Eorzea

I support vampires too, would be nice 2 be one.

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Originally Posted by Sunako

I support vampires too, would be nice 2 be one.

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Ingame or IRL? :D

Honestly I wouldn't mind being a real one. I would miss the garlic but otherwise it would be fun

We discarded the possibility of Ul'dah pretty quickly, but....there is a chance that vampirism would be connected to Thaumaturgy or Black Mages. Either as an extreme form of black (or blue) magic, or as a punishment from one of the twelve for dabbling in forbidden magic.

Final Fantasy had werewolves too, mostly notably were the ones from Final Fantasy V (Kelger "aka Kelga/Kelgar" was one of the four warriors of light) and VI (Lone Wolf); even in Final Fantasy: Unlimited they had one which I named and modeled my character after lol

Even in Final Fantasy XI they had the Gnoles which were kind of like werewolves lol

I would like to see them in Final Fantasy XIV as well ^..^

I can see the dark side of white magic as some kind of vampirism. Amdapor apperantly was experimenting on thing that shook the foundation of reality.

If whm= using energy to heal then surely a step beyond that is using life to heal to the point of immortality.

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Originally Posted by Balipu

Yugiri. Tecnically she is an Au Ra ninja, but Au Ra are basically human looking dragons as far as anyone's concerned.

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So....Shiva is her grandma???

I think that shoehorning Vampires into Heavensward would be doing them a disservice. Let Heavensward be about the Dragons - the Voidsent, which I presume is the category under which Vampires would be included, deserve an expansion of their own.

No one in Eorzea, not even the Thaumaturges, know a great deal about Voidsent - just that they exist in this other realm and can't seem to get enough of clawing their way into this one to chew on the inhabitants. I'd like a whole expansion to tackle the topic, and it would be a great place for Vampires to shine.

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Originally Posted by Balipu

but as the Hildibrand questline revealed

Ul'dah used a zombie plague against Sil'dih. Who knows what else is hidden by the sand.

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Pff. Shows what you know! This is totally not what my Ul'dahan history textbook says!

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Originally Posted by Werewolf

Final Fantasy had werewolves too

I would like to see them in Final Fantasy XIV as well ^..^

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Sure, why not? Vampires can't be far from their old enemies. Just one thing. No werepires! That word makes no linguistic sense whatsoever, and even if it did, it would mean a human-vampire hybrid.

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Originally Posted by myahele

I can see the dark side of white magic as some kind of vampirism. Amdapor apperantly was experimenting on thing that shook the foundation of reality.

If whm= using energy to heal then surely a step beyond that is using life to heal to the point of immortality.

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Even better. You need life force to heal, don't you? That's the whole problem in the conjurer questline. Normally you call upon the elementals, or if you are a n00b conjurer, you use your own lifeforce. Now, if you were to use the life force of the people in close proximity...hmmmm. Actually I like the idea of vampires being white mages. Throws all the black-white morality out the window nicely.

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Originally Posted by elreed

So....Shiva is her grandma???

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Since Shiva is long dead and Ishgardian, I doubt she's grandmother, but they could be related. Only a bit more distantly.

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Originally Posted by LineageRazor

I think that shoehorning Vampires into Heavensward would be doing them a disservice. Let Heavensward be about the Dragons - the Voidsent, which I presume is the category under which Vampires would be included, deserve an expansion of their own.
No one in Eorzea, not even the Thaumaturges, know a great deal about Voidsent - just that they exist in this other realm and can't seem to get enough of clawing their way into this one to chew on the inhabitants. I'd like a whole expansion to tackle the topic, and it would be a great place for Vampires to shine.


Pff. Shows what you know! This is totally not what my Ul'dahan history textbook says!

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True. A Dark Gothic expansion with vampires, phantom trains and witches *cough* Ultimecia *cough* would be nice, but that would be much harder to pull off. It all depends on where the story is going. You see, we are focusing on dragons now, and the sins commited by Eorzeans go back at the very least to the Allagan Empire and the Meracydians. They are a huge part of the current plot. On the other hand, vampires can't make such claims. Yet. If however we get entagled in the social intrigue of Vampire Lords in Ishgardian society they would become important enough to warrant their own expansion.

Well as the questline reveals, a secret society made sure that the true account remain hidded. That is, untill the Mandervilles came along.

As a race they would be fine, but if they are the same as blue mage, I would prefer a blue mage because they are pure awesomeness and it would be a disserve to have them replaced by a fairly unknown job like the vampire.

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Originally Posted by Brightshadow

As a race they would be fine, but if they are the same as blue mage, I would prefer a blue mage because they are pure awesomeness and it would be a disserve to have them replaced by a fairly unknown job like the vampire.

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A good point. Vampires worked in Tactics S as the game had like 50+jobs.

However nothing stops the vampire race to roll as blue mage. I think the most natural fits would be blue mage, white mage and dark knight.

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Originally Posted by Balipu

A good point. Vampires worked in Tactics S as the game had like 50+jobs.

However nothing stops the vampire race to roll as blue mage. I think the most natural fits would be blue mage, white mage and dark knight.

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Actually now that I think about it perhaps "Vampires" could be Blue Mages in a lore perspective similar to how in Final Fantasy XI Blue Mages sacrifice there humanity to become beasts. Or similar to how all Death Knights In World Of Warcraft are Undead. I mean it would make sense since vampires are transformed humanoids and the only distinct feature they really possess are fangs, and pale skin.

Now I know that jobs don't change the physical appearance of the player, but perhaps when you equip the blue mage job your appearance could change into a vampire humanoid. (Example: Undead Lalafell with vampire features)

This in my opinion could bring to the game some interesting and dark lore, and take the blue mage into a level that they have never gone to before. Heck it could even potentially beat the epic lore of the blue mage in FF11.

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Originally Posted by Brightshadow

Actually now that I think about it perhaps "Vampires" could be Blue Mages in a lore perspective similar to how in Final Fantasy XI Blue Mages sacrifice there humanity to become beasts. Or similar to how all Death Knights In World Of Warcraft are Undead. I mean it would make sense since vampires are transformed humanoids and the only distinct feature they really possess are fangs, and pale skin.

Now I know that jobs don't change the physical appearance of the player, but perhaps when you equip the blue mage job your appearance could change into a vampire humanoid. (Example: Undead Lalafell with vampire features)

This in my opinion could bring to the game some interesting and dark lore, and take the blue mage into a level that they have never gone to before. Heck it could even potentially beat the epic lore of the blue mage in FF11.

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It sure could. Only thing left is to explain why vampires chose to name it 'blue' magic

Isn't Lady Amarandine a vampire?

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Originally Posted by AlexionSkylark

Isn't Lady Amarandine a vampire?

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We don't know. She turned up a few pages back, but as she is never referred to as such as is never stated to drink blood, oppinions are divided wether she is a vamp or no.

Official clarification would be nice. Anyone?

While we wait for the much needed dev post that clarifies Lady Amarandine's nature and the chance of Ishgardian vampires, i think it should be mentioned that if vampires ever become killable and/or playable they probably won't have a weakness for sunlight. Actually, as the game works they likely won't have any weaknesses at all.

Whoops, Nosgoth just unveiled a new vampire class.

For those unaware: Nosgoth is a Square Enix game.

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Originally Posted by Balipu

You are definitely right that Thanalan seems to be relatively safe from demons and undead, but as the Hildibrand questline revealed

Ul'dah used a zombie plague against Sil'dih. Who knows what else is hidden by the sand.

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I might be wrong here, but I think this has been "revealed" since 1.20 (Lambs of Dalamud event where you entered Sil'dih Aqueducts).

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Originally Posted by Gwaeron

I might be wrong here, but I think this has been "revealed" since 1.20 (Lambs of Dalamud event where you entered Sil'dih Aqueducts).

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As far as I'm aware, you are correct - the destruction of Sil'dih by zombie apocalypse has long been known even back in 1.0 (Erik the Ala Mhigan scholar first mentioned it, you know, the MNK quest NPC). And it wasn't Ul'dah that were responsible either - Sil'dih actually were in fact the instigators of their own destruction, as the war with Ul'dah was going badly for them and they couldn't replace the increasingly large losses in troop numbers they were suffering, so they turned to zombifying their fallen troops out of desperation.

Of course this backfired on them horribly, when the mechanism of the zombification (from what I understand, it was biological in nature), spread to Sil'dihian civilians as well, which naturally Ul'dah exploited to their advantage, turning a conflict which until then had been over scarce water supplies, into a holy crusade to send "these zombies straight back to Thal." Needless to say, Sil'dih didn't last long after that.

So Sil'dih not only lost the war militarily, but also turned it into an utter public relations disaster. Hoisted by their own petard, indeed...

In any event, the fall of Sil'dih has long been known - the Hildibrand questline only, to use a pun, fleshed it out more... :p

Well I wasn't there during 1.0 so I wouldn't know. At any rate if a zombie plague is possible, a vampire plague isn't inconceivable either.

Another group that should be looked into ar the Padjal. They aren't really their own race, just a handful of hyur that were mutated after their birth by the elementals to serve as a connection between them and the people of Gridania. A similar trick could be done by the voidsent.

I'm really excited for more info on Amdapor/Gelmorra/ Dark side of Gridania.

We have some information about all the other ancient civilizations, but not so much about Amdapor other than the did magic that transcended limitations (?) It was also where the 6th Umbral began via flood.

WHM provides succor at the cost of draining the land's energy (back then) and then there were conjurors that uses life-force to heal people. It's not too had to believe that they used other's or the land's life force to live longer. Modern day WHM hear the Elemental's voices in their head, who's to say they cant commune with voidsent in the same manner back then.

Now that the Elemental's are weakened and despite there being WHM practioners (padjals) the voidsent there are running amok; Perhaps this is just a hint to how the Ambapori were like.

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Originally Posted by myahele

I'm really excited for more info on Amdapor/Gelmorra/ Dark side of Gridania.

WHM provides succor at the cost of draining the land's energy (back then) and then there were conjurors that uses life-force to heal people. It's not too had to believe that they used other's or the land's life force to live longer. Modern day WHM hear the Elemental's voices in their head, who's to say they cant commune with voidsent in the same manner back then.

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Yeah like I mentioned on page 5, it is not out of the question for white mages to drain the lifeforce of other people to heal themselves. If you can steal abilities as well than it becomes blue magic. Vamps would fit in pretty nicely in almost any corner of Eorzea.

Hmmm. Garlean Garlicks are said to ward off vampiric bats. Peculiar choice of words. This seems to suggest that vampires aren't a thing in Eorzea. Of course Ishgard has been locked off for years, so who knows what kind of creatures walk around there.

I know I'm the only one who frequents this thread :( but in case someone checks in, I updated the OP with some clues we got with patch 2.51

While not quite the same as traditional vampires; succubi --to me-- are vampires in all but name. In the case of ARR they drain aether (usually tied with life force) off of people.

A while back I was looking for anything vampire related in game and found this.

http://ffxiv.gamerescape.com/wiki/Vampire_Plant

My thought was that it was likely named after something that exists in Eorzea :P

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Originally Posted by myahele

While not quite the same as traditional vampires; succubi --to me-- are vampires in all but name. In the case of ARR they drain aether (usually tied with life force) off of people.

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Yes, they are at the very least a special type of vampires. Still it would be nice to have one that I can have more meaningful interactions with.

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Originally Posted by Nabiri

A while back I was looking for anything vampire related in game and found this.

http://ffxiv.gamerescape.com/wiki/Vampire_Plant

My thought was that it was likely named after something that exists in Eorzea :P

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Yes, and there is a vampire fish as well as I recall. Whatgives me pause is what I mentioned above with the Garlean Garlic. While the phrases vampire and vampiric are known to Eorzea, bats are considered more of a threat than bona fide vampires.

buffy,the vampire slayer, didn't leave any .........

lets go visit the land of strife , the empire

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Originally Posted by fireslash

buffy,the vampire slayer, didn't leave any .........

lets go visit the land of strife , the empire

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Hmmm. Minfilia does look a bit like Buffy.

So Galremald, huh? I hope Ishgard is secluded enough to preserve a few colonies, but we'll see in spring, won't we?

I think some sort of Draconian vampire could work. Having a connection with Ishgard and dragons would make sense, as one of the most famous vampire names, Dracula, actually means son of the dragon.

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Originally Posted by DSCH

I think some sort of Draconian vampire could work. Having a connection with Ishgard and dragons would make sense, as one of the most famous vampire names, Dracula, actually means son of the dragon.

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Exactly. A common misconception is that it means son of the devil, but yes, it in fact means son of the dragon. In fact I mentioned in the OP that in Final Fantasy Tactics S, the vampire class is exclusive to the Gria, a race of humanoid dragons. Or draconic humanoids. Or whatever.

Son of the dragon. Hmmmmm. Maybe the Archbishop cursed Saint Shiva for lying with dragons and for this reason some Au Ra are born as vampires. Like the Padjal and the Hyur.

Hmmmmhmmmhmmmm. Imagine a long questline involving vampires that terrorize the citizens of Ishgard only for it to be revealed at the end that the Holy See created the curse.
Oh I like this. I like this alot. Thanks for the idea.

Good lord please no. Sick of generix vampires in every video game. How about some unique creatures to Eorzea instead of these generic fantasy creatures? FFS.

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Originally Posted by SekhmetM

Good lord please no. Sick of generix vampires in every video game. How about some unique creatures to Eorzea instead of these generic fantasy creatures? FFS.

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Yeah, more unique races like goblins, kobolds, mandragora and dragons.

Jokes aside I totally understand where you are comming from. Every video game - except for Elder Scrolls, Witcher, and VtmB - has the same kind of hollywood vampires. And although I have no problem with the classics - even prefer them to a degree - I would be disappointed if Yoshie and the gang didn't give Eorzean vampires a unique flavour.

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Originally Posted by Kotemon

If they do recreate vampires in Eroza I hope they make Dracula more like Dracula than bald and demonic like all the ones in XI. I can see it tiered like vampiric undead servent (red eyed zombies with fangs), Nosferatu/Vampire (bald and clawed), Vampire Nobles/Lords (Think Hellsing, Hunter D, Dracula/Vald Tempes, Bram Stroker or Lee's personage, etc.) Otherwise I can see them appearing near Coerthas or in the Shroud. the crypts and ruins for noble families provide more fodder for vampires there. On that part, doesn't Odin without his helm kind of resembles the bald vampire from XI? Especially being elven with those pointy ears.

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Final Fantasy is not Bram Stoker, nor is this transylvania. Characters from a work by a literary figure do not belong in Final Fantasy. Vampiric monsters may (and have already appeared as was pointed out about Haukke Manor) appear, but you're not going to see dracula, or anything like that. If you want a game with a blood sucking, bite infecting, garlic & cross fearing vampire, I believe you're playing the wrong game. At least I hope you are, because those kinds of direct references have no place in Eorzea, and to be perfectly honest I think that they would bother some players to the point of leaving the game - though I doubt many will speak up on the forum.

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Originally Posted by Kosmos992k

Final Fantasy is not Bram Stoker, nor is this transylvania. Characters from a work by a literary figure do not belong in Final Fantasy. Vampiric monsters may (and have already appeared as was pointed out about Haukke Manor) appear, but you're not going to see dracula, or anything like that. If you want a game with a blood sucking, bite infecting, garlic & cross fearing vampire, I believe you're playing the wrong game. At least I hope you are, because those kinds of direct references have no place in Eorzea, and to be perfectly honest I think that they would bother some players to the point of leaving the game - though I doubt many will speak up on the forum.

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I think you might be overreacting a bit, but i'm glad you posted. I don't think we had many, or any, negative oppinions on the first seven pages. Perhaps we will finally be able to start a conversation.

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Originally Posted by Balipu

Whoops, Nosgoth just unveiled a new vampire class.

For those unaware: Nosgoth is a Square Enix game.

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Nosgoth is a Legacy of Kain game, though. SE bought out Eidos and recreated it as Square Enix Europe.

Just because it's a game SE acquired doesn't mean it's got some vague connection with Final Fantasy.

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Originally Posted by Brightshadow

1.) Sacrifice: Transfers X HP to your target, and provides a healing overtime effect for 25% of the health restored. (6 seconds duration for regen)

6.) Bleed: Deals damage overtime, and transforms X amount of damage into HP to all party members within range.

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I think it would be more unique with your idea of the healer basically giving up HP to heal others so I think your Bleed skill should do a constant HoT to the "Vampire Healer" for a certain amount of time, allowing the Vampire to slowly regen health as it gives its health away to heal party members.

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Originally Posted by FenreyVarnell

Nosgoth is a Legacy of Kain game, though. SE bought out Eidos and recreated it as Square Enix Europe.

Just because it's a game SE acquired doesn't mean it's got some vague connection with Final Fantasy.

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I know. I'm just grasping at any straw I can to keep the thread visible without doing illegal thread bumps.

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Originally Posted by Chukkaque

I think it would be more unique with your idea of the healer basically giving up HP to heal others so I think your Bleed skill should do a constant HoT to the "Vampire Healer" for a certain amount of time, allowing the Vampire to slowly regen health as it gives its health away to heal party members.

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Ahh, too risky. The squishiest of party members giving up HP would definitely end in several wipes.

Back to the days when i played Skyrim a lot i enjoyed sooo much my vampire mage because of the perks vs vulnerabilities balance and the feeling to be "different"

Even tho its unlikely to see vampires coming to FF id like to go vampire (esp if its succubus like)

Please SE make the possibility to go vampire with the effects below:

- HP recovery reduced by 50% during daytime even in fights
- permanent dps boost of 5% (10% for mages as vamps are basically magic users)
- 10% increased vulnerabilty to fire spells.

I know im a bit masochist but this will at least

- makes things more dangerous so more exciting. As a blm with 6500 hp i miss the " mighty but squishy" feeling of mages / vampires build of other RPGs

- makes a bit of sense lore wise

- prevent "holy / good side" jobs like whm or pld to go vampire which should be more interesting for ninjas, summoners, black mages and other bad guys.

i know im dreaming but eh TESO made it...

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Originally Posted by Ultear_Milkovich

Back to the days when i played Skyrim a lot i enjoyed sooo much my vampire mage because of the perks vs vulnerabilities balance and the feeling to be "different"

Even tho its unlikely to see vampires coming to FF id like to go vampire (esp if its succubus like)

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Well Yoshida did say that you can make your Au Ra look like a succubus. Once I fantasia I might RP my character as a vampire. Recently I changed my in character blog to make it look like I am hunting vampires instead of just leveling and following the story:
http://eu.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest.../8455265/blog/
(it links back here on a couple of posts)

Honestly I don't see how playable vampires would work here. I would love to be one but as a race we wouldnt be able to do anything vampire like, as a class we could cure vampirism by equiping a different weapon and as a condition like in Elder Scrolls we would have an un-esunaable status effect that stays indefinitely during logouts, class changes and death. It would be a nightmare to code.

Hope Yoshie comes here and proves me wrong.

At the very least I want Hildibrand to investigate vampire rumors.