Tank Weights

If we were to compare two non-crafted, weighted sets with DPS accessories, one which meets the 390 GDC baseline, vs that doesn't bother, we'd have these two gear sets:

CRT:508
DET: 325
SS: 383

vs

CRT: 463
DET: 340
SS: 398

Which makes the results:

Set 1) 365.1 DPS
Set 2) 371.1 DPS

Picking a 390+ SS spec is 6 DPS higher than a pure DET/CRT set.

These values are calculated with Food, under Defiance, with Party Buffs @ i135 gear, doing a maximum DPS rotation, so I do not expect anyone to reach these numbers.

Cheers for the wisdome! i'll keep it to the crit build then :)

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Originally Posted by Dervy

CRT:563
DET: 325
SS: 383

vs

CRT: 463
DET: 340
SS: 398

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You're trading 100 Crit for 15 Det and 15 SS. Where did the other stats go? Parry?

Oh bollocks I'm an idiot. I noticed I copied the wrong stats over to my Models .-.

It's actually

CRT:508
DET: 325
SS: 383

vs

CRT: 463
DET: 340
SS: 398

Which makes the results:

Set 1) 365.1 DPS
Set 2) 371.1 DPS

So it's a 6 DPS increase picking a 390 SS set over a CRT/DET set.

And there's virtually 0 parry on both sets and does not take into consideration HP. Both have the highest weighting in terms of DPS. It's honestly hard for me to gauge how to create sets as I haven't a clue about the HP/Def/M.Def requirements for tanks (I've just not been reading up on it), so I measure everything in regards to DPS.

Here are the two sets btw:
http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/P582
http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/P66S

If you have two different sets you'd want me to compare, post them and I'll give you the results. I'm still learning about the differences in Tank Gearing (DPS vs Parry) so I do apologise in advance if anything seems a bit funky.

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Originally Posted by Dervy

And there's virtually 0 parry on both sets and does not take into consideration HP. Both have the highest weighting in terms of DPS. It's honestly hard for me to gauge how to create sets as I haven't a clue about the HP/Def/M.Def requirements for tanks (I've just not been reading up on it), so I measure everything in regards to DPS.

Here are the two sets btw:
http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/P582
http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/P66S

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I can't contribute much to the conversation, but yes the HP should be considered. I've heard from a tank that's cleared t13 several times now that you only need like 8100 HP for FCoB. Just what I heard >.<

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Originally Posted by Dervy

It's honestly hard for me to gauge how to create sets as I haven't a clue about the HP/Def/M.Def requirements for tanks (I've just not been reading up on it), so I measure everything in regards to DPS.

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HP Floor for PLDs (assuming T13 MT) should be 9k, WAR's should be 10k 2/food (in Defiance, party buff not included) mDEF/pDEF are irrelevant because it all comes from left side which will be the same regardless of itemization (ironworks vs dread).

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Originally Posted by whiskeybravo

I can't contribute much to the conversation, but yes the HP should be considered. I've heard from a tank that's cleared t13 several times now that you only need like 8100 HP for FCoB. Just what I heard >.<

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MT PLD would reasonably need 9k... 8100 is going to be running ridiculously thin the whole time. HC farming groups pushing stuff for fun would probably be in the what...8400-8600 range?

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Originally Posted by Ehayte

MT PLD would reasonably need 9k... 8100 is going to be running ridiculously thin the whole time. HC farming groups pushing stuff for fun would probably be in the what...8400-8600 range?

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I'm not disputing any requirement. He's been trying to gear us up to be more "dps spec" type tanks, and just from our general conversations that's what he said. (maybe it was 8400ish, which is about what he rolls with as PLD MT without food/party buff)

When the i110 accessories come out, the VIT deficit from stacking SS for going more DPS based will be irrelevant tbh. Max out Vit, get 390-400 SS, stack rest into DET/CRT, and tanks can still have 9-10k+ HP.

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Originally Posted by Dervy

When the i110 accessories come out, the VIT deficit from stacking SS for going more DPS based will be irrelevant tbh. Max out Vit, get 390-400 SS, stack rest into DET/CRT, and tanks can still have 9-10k+ HP.

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Please see this

Lots of different outcomes from this.

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Originally Posted by whiskeybravo

I'm not disputing any requirement. He's been trying to gear us up to be more "dps spec" type tanks, and just from our general conversations that's what he said. (maybe it was 8400ish, which is about what he rolls with as PLD MT without food/party buff)

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All good, man, just relaying what I know. 8400 out of party with no food rolling is exactly where he should be if he is trying to do DPS and stay relatively sane : D

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Originally Posted by Ehayte

Please see this

Lots of different outcomes from this.

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I have my predictions about them and trust me, I cannot wait to blow my cash on them.

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Originally Posted by Dervy

I have my predictions about them and trust me, I cannot wait to blow my cash on them.

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Right now I'm trying to decide if I should corner the market on VIT IVs, lol.

Sssh don't let the secret out.

EDIT: It ain't just gunna be VIT IV's either. Savage Aim + Mights III/IV's will also be affected

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Originally Posted by Dervy

Sssh don't let the secret out.

EDIT: It ain't just gunna be VIT IV's either. Savage Aim + Mights III/IV's will also be affected

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Depends on how nice you think SE will be with granting us secondary stats (or even primary stats).

So today I just augmented my ironworks axe and I realized that the 10 ilvl just adds 3 weapon damage! (Thanks, welfare sands).

I then looked at the dreadwyrm axe and saw that it only has a 1 WD improvement over the augmented ironworks weapon (along with 3 STR). The Dreadwyrm Axe also includes 53 parry on top of it. For a purely DPS standpoint, wouldn't a Augmented Ironworks Axe be on par (if not better) than the Dreadwyrm Axe assuming that the accuracy that the Ironworks Axe gives you more freedom to add Crit/Det in the rest of your gear?

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Originally Posted by stoxastic

So today I just augmented my ironworks axe and I realized that the 10 ilvl just adds 3 weapon damage! (Thanks, welfare sands).

I then looked at the dreadwyrm axe and saw that it only has a 1 WD improvement over the augmented ironworks weapon (along with 3 STR). The Dreadwyrm Axe also includes 53 parry on top of it. For a purely DPS standpoint, wouldn't a Augmented Ironworks Axe be on par (if not better) than the Dreadwyrm Axe assuming that the accuracy that the Ironworks Axe gives you more freedom to add Crit/Det in the rest of your gear?

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You would have to make up roughly 40 Det elsewhere to beat it.

Yeah you're right, my math was a bit off, but if you can feasibly make up around ~50 Crit/~33ish det its pretty close.

Any word on PLD weights yet? I'm really curious.

I'd test it myself if I had any idea how to.

Thanks for the WAR weights though, interesting stuff. I knew getting an extra hit on with Berserk was nice, I just didn't think it was as massive as the results show...

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Originally Posted by Praesul

Any word on PLD weights yet?

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Looks like we are still weighting around for that.

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Originally Posted by Praesul

Any word on PLD weights yet? I'm really curious.

I'd test it myself if I had any idea how to.

Thanks for the WAR weights though, interesting stuff. I knew getting an extra hit on with Berserk was nice, I just didn't think it was as massive as the results show...

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Page 3 of this thread has all the info.

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Originally Posted by Lavieh

Page 3 of this thread has all the info.

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Oh! My mistake. I was looking through the thread earlier and I must not have paid attention, 'cause I thought those were updated WAR stat weights and not PLD.

Thank you.