Why does SCH do more AoE DPS than SMN?

switch to WHM. Problem fixed.

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Originally Posted by Bigcat9715

The original Bane (like 1.0) used to spread to all enemies in a 5 yard radius.

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bane was not in 1.0

Link to the 1.0 ability (Neridine Nightblossom show me the link)

Another reason why summoner is the worst job in the game.

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Originally Posted by kidvideo

Why wouldn't you use Ifrit-egi on large pulls? Flaming Crush is 110 to all nearby enemies with a 30 recast, vs Aerial Slash's 90 damage to target & nearby enemies (which I read as a cone attack).

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The potency is higher, but because it's a physical attack, the damage is lower. Another example is Ifrit's Burning Strike is higher potency than Garuda's Wind Blade, but does noticeably lower damage; Ifrit only wins out in single target damage because it has an auto-attack + Burning Strike.

Another issue is that the hitbox for Flaming Crush is centered on Ifrit, so the attack actually has less range than its single target attacks. It needs to pretty much be in the middle of the enemies to hit more than one, but it's normal attacks will leave it much further away than that.

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Originally Posted by Ghishlain

With that being said, for AAR, Bane's tool tip provided incorrect information and the tool tip. I believe there was a Dev post about it too, but can't seem to find it ATM.

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After doing some research on Google I have to admit I was wrong. The earliest version of Bane only hit 3 targets. So I just have this to say. It's time to remove the limit on Bane! IT'S TIME TO SPREAD THE LOVE PEOPLE! Who's with me?
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Originally Posted by Bigcat9715

After doing some research on Google I have to admit I was wrong. The earliest version of Bane only hit 3 targets. So I just have this to say. It's time to remove the limit on Bane! IT'S TIME TO SPREAD THE LOVE PEOPLE! Who's with me?
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I'm sure you already know this, but there was no playable ACN in 1.0 (in fact, correct me if I'm wrong but there was an NPC ACN who used a staff of sorts, not a book).


... also... dat sig @___@ its oddly mesmerizing

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Originally Posted by Bigcat9715

After doing some research on Google I have to admit I was wrong. The earliest version of Bane only hit 3 targets. So I just have this to say. It's time to remove the limit on Bane! IT'S TIME TO SPREAD THE LOVE PEOPLE! Who's with me?

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Yessss. There is absolutely no harm in doing this! There is no reason bane should only spread to the nearest three targets.

SMNs have gotten the short end of the stick for a while now, bane should be more than 3 targets and their gear should not be littered with spell speed.

BLM has always dominated in aoe dps by a large margin and it doesn't make any sense that SMN shouldn't be there right along side them, since the BLM buff SMNs don't even do significantly more ST damage anymore in most fights, most of the SMNs I know have quit playing it and switched classes after seeing the gear offered in 2.4.

In my opinion SMN is in much more need for a buff or some sort of change than DRG ever was but for some reason they never get any love.

Rather than alter Bane, one of the new Egi could be given an ability that has the same effect and CD as Bane. If you had to choose between Contagion and the new Egi-Bane perhaps the devs wouldn't consider that being overpowered.

What gets me though is after playing a decent geared BLM and AoEing the crap out of massive hoards I can't imagine why SE thinks Bane spreading to everything would be so much worse.

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Originally Posted by Gokuhan

Rather than alter Bane, one of the new Egi could be given an ability that has the same effect and CD as Bane. If you had to choose between Contagion and the new Egi-Bane perhaps the devs wouldn't consider that being overpowered.

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I would honestly recommend this so as to not give the boost to Bane to SCH as well (And I main SCH.) Give the SMN the AoE boost without adding that to SCH as well. I mean, sure, the bonus AoE damage on my SCH would be nice, but really, I'm not so sure we need it. Let the WHMs have the large pull AoE, I'll take my DoTs as is.

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Originally Posted by reality_check

SCH AoE Advantages:

-Way more MP than SMN
-Shadow Flare, Miasma 2, Miasma, Bio, and Bio 2 all do slightly more damage through Cleric Stance than a similar geared SMN
-Has a fourth single target DoT, though it cannot be Baned can be manually spread for more AoE damage.

SMN AoE Advantages:
-Can do large AoE once every 5 minutes
-Can contagion the first set of dots?


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I would say you example SCH do more dmg because your example SMN don't use pets

As with both classes, proper pet usage, macro usage, and skill combinations make all the difference.

For instance, on scholar, make transitions between dps phases and healing phases easier using target of target macros, so you never have to switch from your tank. In your DPS macros include your fairy's Embrace on your main target, so that she will focus on keeping your tank up while you DOT the enemy your tank is targeting for the Bane. Before you begin your DPS phase, be sure to combine Rouse with Whispering Dawn for added AOE HOT incase your DPS derp it up by accident.

Then, on Summoner, combine your pet DPS cooldowns with skills like Rouse and Spur. You should already be using your pet on obey, so this should be easy. Always, ALWAYS combine ALL of your main single target DOTs with Contagion and Bane when using Garuda against multiple enemies. Feel free to switch between pets too for the situation. Single target, try Ifrit, trash pulls use Garuda. Summoner also does much better with stats such as Determination and Crit Rate, and many pieces of gear feed them Spell Speed, which, while not useless, might as well be in comparison to the other two. Crafted gear can be customized, utilize it when you run the risk of using crappy gear otherwise.