Cash shop things

And you think that's the only thing up for sale?

Well clearly they will sell power just to give people a reason to say "Told you so"

Put Allegan pieces on the cash shop

Why are you guys asking them to make you pay for things that should already be in the game? What is wrong with you?

No. Paying real money to skip a portion of the game (and, technically, an optional part of the game since there are better weapons than our relics) IS pay to win. This is a game where you have to at least put in some effort, not freaking Farmville. If you want to skip some grindy aspect of the game, then please quit and go back to Farmville where you can throw real money to skip quest objectives.

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Originally Posted by Anatha

And you think that's the only thing up for sale?

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<checks mogstation> Yup!

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Originally Posted by Amused

Why are you guys asking them to make you pay for things that should already be in the game? What is wrong with you?

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Why are you assuming, with every other piece of content that they release, that those are Square's priority to put into the game?

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Originally Posted by Teryaani

Why are you assuming, with every other piece of content that they release, that those are Square's priority to put into the game?

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Because our subscriptions are literally funding the development of the game and future content. It's what we're paying for. If it's developed for the game and isn't part of an expansion, we're entitled to it by paying our subscription. That's literally what a subscription is for, and has been for.

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Originally Posted by Teryaani

<checks mogstation> Yup!



(emphasis added)

Why are you assuming, with every other piece of content that they release, that those are Square's priority to put into the game?

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Extra inventory space. Hell that's a cash shop staple in the typical F2P paywall realm if ever there was one.

We've got it here. No problem with that? I feel like that Hana vomit.gif is going to see a lot of use from me in the coming months.

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Originally Posted by Amused

Because our subscriptions are literally funding the development of the game and future content. It's what we're paying for. If it's developed for the game and isn't part of an expansion, we're entitled to it by paying our subscription. That's literally what a subscription is for, and has been for.

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I highlighted the problem. No, you aren't.

Your subscription doesn't mean that Square has to make every ounce of vanity content in the game. You're assuming that that content wouldn't still be unfinished/buried if it wasn't for the cash shop.

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Originally Posted by Anatha

Extra inventory space. Hell that's a cash shop staple in the typical F2P paywall realm if ever there was one.

We've got it here. No problem with that? I feel like that Hana vomit.gif is going to see a lot of use from me in the coming months.

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No problem with it at all. I'm not sure how someone who ends up being the fantasy version of a hoarder equates with being pay to win.

We haven't received anything extra in the cash shop we wouldn't have received already. Your argument holds water like a sieve. Everything was JUST fine prior to its introduction.

Hell we even have an Odin trial coming that could have easily dropped the horse. A mount that was designed and included in the game's files for months before the cash shop showed up.

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Originally Posted by Anatha

We haven't received anything extra in the cash shop we wouldn't have received already. Your argument holds water like a sieve. Everything was JUST fine prior to its introduction.

Hell we even have an Odin trial coming that could have easily dropped the horse. A mount that was designed and included in the game's files for months before the cash shop showed up.

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And it's fine now. Those things weren't in the game and they probably still wouldn't be. Also, just because it's datamined doesn't mean it's ready or working or anything more than a model or a placeholder.

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Originally Posted by Teryaani

Those things weren't in the game and they probably still wouldn't be.

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Your right Odin could only change into whatever race defeated him last and ride his mount on any payable race. It's not like they had all that information in the game allready or anything you know?

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Originally Posted by Amused

Why are you guys asking them to make you pay for things that should already be in the game? What is wrong with you?

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Some of us like the cash shop to bad we are here to stay and will buy things from SE and if you don't like it well tooooooooo badddddddd

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Originally Posted by Teryaani

And it's fine now. Those things weren't in the game and they probably still wouldn't be. Also, just because it's datamined doesn't mean it's ready or working or anything more than a model or a placeholder.

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You know, if you stay bent over like that all the time, you'll develop scoliosis. It's not a laughing matter.

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Originally Posted by Teryaani

I highlighted the problem. No, you aren't.

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You have absolutely no idea just how wrong and delusional you are.

Does S-E pay you to defend their greedy and immoral business practices here or do you do it for free?

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Originally Posted by Jynx

Your right Odin could only change into whatever race defeated him last and ride his mount on any payable race. It's not like they had all that information in the game allready or anything you know?

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and that means that the mount model is available in game for player use? Oh right, it doesn't.

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Originally Posted by Anatha

You know, if you stay bent over like that all the time, you'll develop scoliosis. It's not a laughing matter.

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Right, so no actual substantive response. Figured as much.

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Originally Posted by Amused

You have absolutely no idea just how wrong and delusional you are.

Does S-E pay you to defend their greedy and immoral business practices here or do you do it for free?

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Or I am a realist that understands how business works and can recognize when I'm seeing knee jerk reactions and hyperbole.

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Originally Posted by Teryaani

and that means that the mount model is available in game for player use? Oh right, it doesn't.

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No point in talking with them they hate the cash shop and always will and will bash anyone who want's to use it

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Originally Posted by Teryaani

and that means that the mount model is available in game for player use? Oh right, it doesn't.

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Of course it wasn't available for player use, but it very easily could have been and would likely take only a few minutes to make happen seeing as how ALL of the work was already done for it.

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Originally Posted by Teryaani

Or I am a realist that understands how business works and can recognize when I'm seeing knee jerk reactions and hyperbole.

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You may understand how business works, but you clearly don't understand how game development works. Just because a business' number one priority is making money doesn't mean they should do it at the expense of their reputation and fans.

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Originally Posted by Amused

Of course it wasn't available for player use, but it very easily could have been and would likely take only a few minutes to make happen seeing as how ALL of the work was already done for it.

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and you accuse me of not understanding development?

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Originally Posted by Amused

You may understand how business works, but you clearly don't understand how game development works. Just because a business' number one priority is making money doesn't mean they should do it at the expense of their reputation and fans.

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I'm going to go on a limb and say that I do understand how development works seeing that I'm a on a development team. I'm not seeing this doing any damage to their fans or their reputation at this point.

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Originally Posted by Teryaani

and you accuse me of not understanding development?

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You clearly don't if you think it would take any substantial amount of time or effort to make an item out of something that already exists in a complete form within the game.

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Originally Posted by Teryaani

and that means that the mount model is available in game for player use? Oh right, it doesn't.

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I can also only see the massive ammount of work it took to do that could only be justified by the cash shop right?
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Originally Posted by Teryaani

I'm a on a development team

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Cool, my dad works for Final Fantasy too.

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Originally Posted by Teryaani

and you accuse me of not understanding development?

I'm going to go on a limb and say that I do understand how development works seeing that I'm a on a development team. I'm not seeing this doing any damage to their fans or their reputation at this point.

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All the work for the model was complete and implemented in game already, except for making the mount available to players. Even without being on the dev team I think you'd really be hard pressed to say there was any difficulty getting it into the game for players (icons are really fast to make, from what I've seen at least). Hardest part was probably setting up the cash shop page to sell the thing lol.

SE has the right to sell whatever they want*, but Odin mount (imo) should have been in game subscription based content because it was /already/ in game.

*and consumers to stop paying when they feel like it is no longer a value purchase.

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Originally Posted by Teryaani

Except that it doesn't exist in a useable form in the game. It exists as 3D model for that mob/fate. Is it a shorter time as some of the model work is done? Yes. Does that mean that porting that 3D model into a player useable mount is easy?

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It was literally already compatible with ALL THE RACES.

Assigning a model to an item takes an incredibly miniscule amount of time.

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Originally Posted by Amused

You have absolutely no idea just how wrong and delusional you are.

Does S-E pay you to defend their greedy and immoral business practices here or do you do it for free?

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Oh my dear god the entitlement. IMMORAL? Putting things in a cash shop is IMMORAL?!? This thread is flat out looney.

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Originally Posted by Teryaani

I'm sure he does. Show me where I said I did.

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I didn't say you did.

I was poking fun at your statement "I'm a on a development team" because it says nothing to me, and for all I know you could just be lying. I'm not saying that you are lying, because you could very well be telling the truth. It's just that throwing that out there like that in no way gave you more credibility than you had beforehand. Based on what you've said so far I'm still convinced that you have no idea what you're talking about.

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Originally Posted by Alistaire

Oh my dear god the entitlement. IMMORAL? Putting things in a cash shop is IMMORAL?!? This thread is flat out looney.

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It most certainly is immoral when we're already paying them for the game itself, and each month following to continue developing the game.

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You are wayyyyyyyyy over blowing the cash shop right now at least wait till they add a pet that gives a player more HP or a Buff of some sort. As for games having DLC welcome to the new world of making more cash love it hate it that's how it is

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Originally Posted by Mogi

You are wayyyyyyyyy over blowing the cash shop right now at least wait till they add a pet that gives a player more HP or a Buff of some sort.

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I care about HP and Buffs about as much as you care about vanity.

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Originally Posted by Amused

I care about HP and Buffs about as much as you care about vanity.

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My point was and is adding something like more HP and what not that be paying to win and it affect game play and such. But as is nothing about the cash shop is affecting the game and if you are affected by seeing other players with cash shop goods then as SE to give the game something to block you from seeing cash shop stuff :P

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Originally Posted by Mogi

My point was and is adding something like more HP and what not that be paying to win and it affect game play and such. But as is nothing about the cash shop is affecting the game and if you are affected by seeing other players with cash shop goods then as SE to give the game something to block you from seeing cash shop stuff :P

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You see, I really don't care about when people beat things, or how they beat them, because it in no way effects me or prevents me from doing them the way that they were intended to be done. I prefer to do the fights how they were originally intended. If other people want to cheat or whatever, let them, that's their choice to spoil the experience.

Do I really want something like that to happen though when it would bother other players? No.

Try to look at it from another person's perspective.

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Originally Posted by Mogi

As for games having DLC welcome to the new world of making more cash love it hate it that's how it is

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...and welcome to the new world of player churn.

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Originally Posted by Amused

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Nice, except it's not an accurate statement at all. The game is quite complete without anything and everything in the cash shop.

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Originally Posted by Mogi

You are wayyyyyyyyy over blowing the cash shop right now at least wait till they add a pet that gives a player more HP or a Buff of some sort.

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Why is "as long as it ain't pay to win I don't mind!" the go to line in the sand people set on the cash shop subject? the game isn't 100% endgame, just like it's not 100% social/vanity. I think the cash shop should only have fantasia/name-server change. but if it's going to have ingame items, I'd like it to be silly tacky over the top things like the ice skull from blizzard's shop.

The current cash shop is bad because it has things that are part of in game content. Like wedding dresses, and Odin's horse (To me that's like having the Magitech armor in the shop, it just doesn't belong there) These shouldn't be in the cash shop, nor should the events items be there either.

Polar Bear mount, Armored Goobbue, Albino Ahriman <--- these are cash shop items. these make sense.

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Originally Posted by Alistaire

Nice, except it's not an accurate statement at all. The game is quite complete without anything and everything in the cash shop.

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You seem to have a very skewed perception of the meaning "complete". Here, let me show you what it actually means.

1 com·plete
adjective \kəm-ˈplēt\

: having all necessary parts : not lacking anything

: not limited in any way

: not requiring more work : entirely done or completed

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Nice, except it's not an accurate statement at all. The game is quite complete without anything and everything in the cash shop.

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Cash shop aside, the game is actually rushed and needs polish. That's why we have weird out of place things like classes, why leveling gear models are unfinished without their belts like they said they'll fix them before release but didn't. We can even say that rushing the game out the door is why we have 1 battle stance for all races, and why we have hair clipping with gear, and miqote tails just clipping through gear instead of having slits for them.

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I'm sure you won't care what i say anyway but how exactly is Odin's horse something that's bad? his fight has yet to be put in the game and are you 100% he was going to drop a mount? how do you know he won't drop i130 odin weps or gear? did i miss a memo by SE saying this mount was in fact coming to this game as a mount other then cash shop? Anyways i love my mount and am very happy with it and as for the wedding stuff lets see if that's actually happening ty

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Originally Posted by Arkine

Cash shop aside, the game is actually rushed and needs polish. That's why we have weird out of place things like classes, why leveling gear models are unfinished without their belts like they said they'll fix them before release but didn't. We can even say that rushing the game out the door is why we have 1 battle stance for all races, and why we have hair clipping with gear, and miqote tails just clipping through gear instead of having slits for them.

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That's a whole other point though, that's not part of a cash shop discussion. I do agree with your point, it's just incredibly off-topic.

There's nothing that the cash shop has that makes the game more complete. Nothing necessary, nothing that "unlimits" one's potential in any significant way, closest would be the 2-person marriage mount but that's not exactly a useful thing. And Yoshi P has specifically said it'll stay that way.

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Originally Posted by Mogi

I'm sure you won't care what i say anyway but how exactly is Odin's horse something that's bad? his fight has yet to be put in the game and are you 100% he was going to drop a mount? how do you know he won't drop i130 odin weps or gear? did i miss a memo by SE saying this mount was in fact coming to this game as a mount other then cash shop? Anyways i love my mount and am very happy with it and as for the wedding stuff lets see if that's actually happening ty

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Oh I care very much! and like I said, I believe that it doesn't belong in the cash shop. It's not a quirky cash shop item like the Polar bear mount I mentioned earlier. Odin is part of the game lore, we fight him in a fate that has its own unique weather. The guy is in the opening cinematic for pete's sake!

I firmly believe he plays a bigger role in the story, I'm not sure why they didn't get to him yet. That's why having his mount in the cash shop is like having the Magiteck mount in there. It just does not belong in the cash shop.