The female DRG AF belly window needs to be closed

Sucks that you don't like it.

Sucks that SE isn't going to change anything just because a few people don't like it. There's people that do like it. *I* like it. > > I thought it makes the DRG armour more unique from others.

Sucks that people can't handle anything these days.

SE isn't going to change anything just because some people don't like it. Seriously, if they did change this, then SE will have to change everything just because some people don't like it.

Things like this is why we have glamour.

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Originally Posted by FallenWings

Rather than remove or replace, I'd say more options for everyone!

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/absvisor

Yes please. x''')

I always figured it was there to accomodate the up and coming DRG babies..... :o

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Originally Posted by winxbloom61

IF YOU DONT LIKE IT TO PLAY A MALE CHARACTER end of point dont like the armor then change it for urself ~_~

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Some people want to play a character that actually matches their gender and not be automatically classed as a sex object by the game's armor design.

Also, this is so obviously a troll thread made in response to the DRK threads.

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Originally Posted by Krr

Some people want to play a character that actually matches their gender and not be automatically classed as a sex object by the game's armor design.

Also, this is so obviously a troll thread made in response to the DRK threads.

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I dunno. These threads have revealed a few things:

- Lots of players feel strongly about how they look, one way or another (makes sense, since half the fun of MMOs is playing pretty princess dress-up). This is good. It means we're paying attention to the hard work of the artists for this game and more than happy to give feedback.

- There are a handful of people who have severe difficulty processing whether the criticism is about a lack of realism, or about just a poorly-conceived design that could have been thought through better. Heads up: Many have been the latter. :p Mine certainly is. Realism is not necessary if a design is strong or clever enough, and lots of us feel that the female DRG look just isn't a good one, realism be damned. Edit: Yes, that is an opinion.

- There's also a lot of gross misconception about what constitutes sexism -- an issue which is actually very rarely deliberate, and almost never malicious (trolls/MRAs/Gamergaters excepted), but more about a social/cultural blind spot that calls for reasoned discussion rather than flinging accusations to get anywhere when talking about.

- The difference between a troll and someone who's simply bad at communicating can be difficult to perceive at times. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Krr

Some people want to play a character that actually matches their gender and not be automatically classed as a sex object by the game's armor design.

Also, this is so obviously a troll thread made in response to the DRK threads.

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Call me crazy, but XIV has to be one of the least sexualized MMO's I've played in quite a while. The models aren't especially curvy or detailed, and even swimsuits look about as innocent as they would on a toddler. I'm just saying, I think its a non-issue here.

There doesn't need to be more conservative female armor. There needs to be less. And there needs to be FAR LESS conservative male armor. Running around in a metallic gold leopard print speedo makes me titter EVERY DAY.

Oddly, DRG is the only armor I don't have glamored to it, and that's just because the pants from ST look good.

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Originally Posted by Lux_Rayna

Call me crazy, but XIV has to be one of the least sexualized MMO's I've played in quite a while. The models aren't especially curvy or detailed, and even swimsuits look about as innocent as they would on a toddler. I'm just saying, I think its a non-issue here.

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Exactly. Compared to TERA or Lineage..... FFXIV is Wonder Bread.

Maybe they can make it part of the /visor.

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Originally Posted by Sylve

Fodder for idiots you mean. DRG AF is literally the only AF gear that is even slightly different between Male and Female.

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Male and female WHM trousers... On boys they are culottes, on girls they are panties.

I think the female DRG af bothers me because it is SO RIDICULOUS.

"But it's a game, it doesn't have to be realistic!"

Yeah, that's why the male af has a stomach window too!! Oh, wait...

Like, it's fine if you don't mind it, but doing mental backflips to explain it away as non-sexist is laughable.

They are not going to change it, but I think it's a good example of what NOT to do.

For vanity items, whatever. For AF, some sense please.

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Originally Posted by Lux_Rayna

Call me crazy, but XIV has to be one of the least sexualized MMO's I've played in quite a while. The models aren't especially curvy or detailed, and even swimsuits look about as innocent as they would on a toddler. I'm just saying, I think its a non-issue here.

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I think that it's impossible to deny that there's elements of sexuality represented in FFXIV - I mean, there has always been subtle sexual imagery in FF games, and at the risk of exoticizing, there's the whole different-culture different-tastes thing at play here. Like, I cannot count the number of armorsets or female NPC designs I've found that are basically designed to let you show off or see that little 10% of thigh people go crazy over. So, things like the Dragoon AF bellyhole definitely strike me as a sexual inclination (showin' off the navel or abdomen is definitely, well, a thing for some people,) but not really an egregious one.

Except the fact that the naked DRG AF bellyhole looks kinda weird from a visual design perspective. Like it's really jarring and janky how pointy it looks and stuff.

edit point. thanks post limit

Also, I managed to lose this bit of post, but basically, FFXIV's approach to sexuality is less egregious to us because some of it is just plain foreign (literally), and for the most part, it seems aimed at everyone rather than some of the armor designs you see in other MMO's that are obviously aimed at, well...young men. Also, again, it's subtle, and it's easy to ignore or forget subtle things that you don't like.

Things like "A bikini catgirl flirts with your character in skippable sidequest text (regardless of gender, I might add!)" are far less explicit and far less singularly-appealing than, say, every female character in TERA being forced to wear that weird 3/4ths naked armor that has the weird cleavage-hip-thigh window that doesn't even look good from a visual design perspective but DAMN IT WE NEED TITTIES.

Basically, yeah, I would say it's a non-issue by and large. I'd just prefer to keep it a nonissue (especially where AF armor is concerned.)

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Originally Posted by Krr

Things like "A bikini catgirl flirts with your character in skippable sidequest text (regardless of gender, I might add!)" are far less explicit and far less singularly-appealing than, say, every female character in TERA being forced to wear that weird 3/4ths naked armor that has the weird cleavage-hip-thigh window that doesn't even look good from a visual design perspective but DAMN IT WE NEED TITTIES.

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TERA contains normal-mapped cameltoe.

While there's plenty of validity to criticisms of sexism in FFXIV's design, at least it doesn't have that.

Man, these topics are still so damn unnecessary.
It's like the people of the forum act like they speak for everyone else and then BAM!

Random conflict out of a non-issue. People talking about practicality and realism in a game a city sized dragon wiped out an entire continent from a prison-moon and the biggest threats can easily kill you, any level of armor be damned.

Female Avatars have LOTS of options and rarely any scantily based costumes, don't like DRG AF? Glamour and stop making these topics.

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Originally Posted by Mahri

normal-mapped cameltoe.

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Can we just look at this phrase in a vacuum for a minute. Can we think about how absurd it is.
Jesus H. Christ.

Sorry but DRG female armor is pure bikini armor and needs to go. And this needs to not happen ever again in any armor. Want skin revealing armor? go and play TERA or any korean/fanservice mmorpg out there.

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Originally Posted by Alexander_Dragonfang

Sorry but DRG female armor is pure bikini armor and needs to go. And this needs to not happen ever again in any armor. Want skin revealing armor? go and play TERA or any korean/fanservice mmorpg out there.

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I think most of us will just continue to play this and still look at it here. Your blustering isn't going to make the armor less revealing in a game that has men wearing subligar just because a few female outfits are ALSO revealing*.

*Er... well, more revealing. But yeah. I don't think SE is much concerned about modesty when they have men prancing around near naked, too.

And thank goodness for that, too. If they take away my Roegadyn's near nudity, I will have pointed internet words to say.

please add the hole for boys

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Originally Posted by Alexander_Dragonfang

Sorry but DRG female armor is pure bikini armor and needs to go. And this needs to not happen ever again in any armor. Want skin revealing armor? go and play TERA or any korean/fanservice mmorpg out there.

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Now this is the truest definition of butthurt.
No, actually I like this game alot. And I also like to have options to have women either covered up, looking sexy but still covered and more sexy than covered. They don't need to be TERA leveled, I'd rather actually see more than basically somewhat close knit armor on even my Monk. If there's plenty of armors to make someone look cool over practicality, than sexiness should suddenly not be an option either.

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Originally Posted by Alexander_Dragonfang

Sorry but DRG female armor is pure bikini armor and needs to go. And this needs to not happen ever again in any armor. Want skin revealing armor? go and play TERA or any korean/fanservice mmorpg out there.

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lol everyone seems to have missed the sarcasm in this post. I will just point out that this is sarcasm.

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Originally Posted by Krr

Some people want to play a character that actually matches their gender and not be automatically classed as a sex object by the game's armor design.

Also, this is so obviously a troll thread made in response to the DRK threads.

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i get that i just fail to see how the showing of the stommy makes people think the class shows them as a sex object if it does some of the things i wear in real life screams it ^_^ i would understand if it was the breast and other wise but its a stommy ^_^ I think the dragoon armor should keep it but add on a belly button ring. i loves my belly button ring in real life. but either way that dosnt change the fact that if someone dosnt like it they can glamor over it

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Originally Posted by ExponentialDecay

please add the hole for boys

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If the OP's suggestion is unacceptable for some audiences, then I vote this be an alternative.

From the armor standpoint I find it odd that Female's DRG gear has a giant gaping hole just waiting for someone to stab them right thru the stomach >.>
So in that regards I can agree.
I've always thought something seemed off about the armor visually tho I dont find it "revealing" in any way. It feels more like their should be some kind of "mesh" or chainmail filling the gap because who in their right mind puts on armor and then leaves a giant unprotected spot right in the middle lol. If you were gonna do that, just dont wear any armor :P

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Originally Posted by ExponentialDecay

please add the hole for boys

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http://i.imgur.com/v89PR8p.jpg

Yes, please. The DRG armor is pretty iconic and is one of the best....only to be ruined by a gaping hole that screams "Weak spot: Penetrate here"

They did the same for NIN and I sure hope they wont do it to the female version of the DRK armor (I have a feeling it will be though)

Disagree, its time to add more armor like female drg!!

I really hope they copy the idea of female drg to female drk!!! ^^

Nothing worse then the nerd styles currently in game, the female drg was one of the few that is appealing to me, as a female :)

Go for it SE!!!.... lets have some gear thats smexy (might as well be the drk, would prefer A LOT sexier but this is se....sooo a tiny armor hole is considered risqué for some reason lol) imo,enough nerdy, frumpy, boring, virgin, armor designs already!

tyty :o

I think it looks cool. I wish there were more armor like it that shows some skin on female characters. It is a fantasy game it doesn't have to be realistic.

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Originally Posted by Zumi

I think it looks cool. I wish there were more armor like it that shows some skin on female characters. It is a fantasy game it doesn't have to be realistic.

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and i also don't have to like my character showing skin >.>...

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Originally Posted by myahele

They did the same for NIN and I sure hope they wont do it to the female version of the DRK armor (I have a feeling it will be though)

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Ninjas don't should fight face to face. And if they do, then they should look innocence and not alarm the enemy with an outfit that scream Danger.

Ninja gear should look like this

http://oi61.tinypic.com/66eosj.jpg
http://oi59.tinypic.com/2q3axk2.jpg

People make a big deal about the hole... but it's not really a big deal because of lance stances. It's not an exposed area. The most important areas to armor on a Dragoon would be the head and shoulders because they stand to the side hunkered down. They're also supposed to have a greater attack range. The lance is also hend at about the same level with the gap, so it's still protected via lance parry. The only case where this would be an issue is the Male Roegadyn, who stands more forward with the lance held higher. Thus, not much is really going to be getting into the exposed area. It's minimized and hard to get to to begin with. I play a Higherlander F. As you can see below, in a proper battle stance, the only way something will be able to hit that area is to come from a low angle moving up. You're probably more concerned with moving out of the way than being guarded for such an attack.

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http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...ps3e6krpvt.png

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Everyone is making the assumption you get hit from all the areas all the time, or that things will just go straight for that one weak spot, but it's well guarded by 1.) the stance 2.) the arms and 3.) the weapon. It's also exposed at an angle you should NEVER be open from to begin with. If you stand at an angle where your opponent can strike at your abdomen easily, you deserve what you get to begin with. Even in the normal attention stance, if an assassin comes up to you, they're probably going to have something that can pierce you to begin with, so you could argue the expose area is sever there because then you don't have to worry about armor shards getting into your abdomen, and abdominal injuries are rarely fatal to begin with, and more easily fixed.

Obviously, the solution is that all male gear should look like unmodded Skyrim (with mandatory face-covering helmets), and all female gear should look like Queen's Blade (face-covering optional; nobody's looking there). That appeals to everyone, right?

:p

Keep the window as it is please, thank you.

People still complain about this stuff?

In a fictional videogame?

Where realism doesn't apply?

Personally I get a chuckle out of Tank players who glamour their armor to be nothing but a bikini and go forward Tanking all the enemies like a beast anyway. Double the points if it's a guy avatar doing that, since I don't see as many guy characters do that.

That said, I do believe this is entire reason why the glamour system was put in. Don't like the way something looks? Glamour it. It's that bleeding simple.

http://i.imgur.com/7xPatiY.jpg

Ninjas? Where?? Oh I hate those dreadful things, all black and revealing, I hear they run around looking sexy and showing off.

Gives us common everyday leatherworkers a bad name! :)

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Personally I get a chuckle out of Tank players who glamour their armor to be nothing but a bikini and go forward Tanking all the enemies like a beast anyway. Double the points if it's a guy avatar doing that, since I don't see as many guy characters do that.

That said, I do believe this is entire reason why the glamour system was put in. Don't like the way something looks? Glamour it. It's that bleeding simple.

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The key difference is, dressing like this was my choice.

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Originally Posted by Kallera

No it doesn't. And it shouldn't. If we wanted to be all realistic about this armor nonsense the mages should be decked out in maces and chainmail like the clergy of medieval days. And dyeing armor pink would be a death sentence.

You have plenty of armor choices before and after the drachen, to suit multiple standards of taste. And some of us like the look besides. Get over it.

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Actually robes would better protect you against magic damage. So in reality if your fighting someone whose high magic and low physical you should be wearing magic leather or robes. Or robed armor.

Games really need to go back to the sandbox days, horizontal progression.

Wearing plate armor against someone who is breathing fire? EWWW!! You would become a kettle pot!

They should just unlock it so everyone can glamour everything and be what they want to be.

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Originally Posted by Fenral

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The key difference is, dressing like this was my choice.

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Oh you mean like my choice to wear the DRG outfit as it is, that choice those people asking for that belly window to be closed are trying to take away from me, hmm?

People who don't like the AF as it is have the choice to glamour something else over it.

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Originally Posted by Fenral

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The key difference is, dressing like this was my choice.

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I would say the the inclusion of glamour increase the amount of choice one has dramatically. I never liked my AF's design myself. :)

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Originally Posted by Fenral

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The key difference is, dressing like this was my choice.

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wearing Dragoon AF1 or myth gear is also the players choice (even if as a glamour, or the gear itself with no glamour on it). Nothing force someone to wear it.