Why you wear tank accessories as a scholar, bro? I think you're doing something wrong here.
Theres not enough macro space to play Ninja.
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10-27-2014, 01:51 AMZelth
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10-27-2014, 02:04 AMRiepahUnless it's in PvP.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zelth
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10-27-2014, 03:31 AMCanadaneWelcome to Turn 9.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zelth
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10-27-2014, 04:31 AMAlkimi
I'm assuming nobody has explained skill queueing to you. With the way the GCD works, you can hit a skill up to around half a second before it's due and it will go off as soon as it can. It's a good way to make sure your ping to the server has no detrimental effect on your dps and most MMOs with a GCD use this. Of course if your ping is horrendous it might start to matter.
Anyway, this system does not apply to macros. Therefore every GCD skill you use when it's macroed will have your reaction time plus the ping to the server added to it. It's a pretty substantial loss in dps and something you should avoid as much as possible or altogether if possible. Things like mass macroing your buffs or having more than one off GCD ability tied to one macro are fine for the most part, but macros shouldn't include any GCD abilities.
Hope that helps with cutting down on your "problem". -
10-27-2014, 05:48 AMZumiYou should not do this. Just place mercy stroke on its own when it lights up you hit it. Macroing all those abilities is a bad idea.Quote:
Originally Posted by Smells
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10-27-2014, 06:11 AMSanjuroXI
So much bad
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10-27-2014, 08:08 AMThanScientific proof: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czzLF4IfFaM#t=251Quote:
Originally Posted by SeraviEdalborez
You can just WATCH the macro'd version falling behind. Nevermind their silly third party junk.
Also if the mudras Jin, Chi, and Ten have a cooldown time of (let's say) 1.1-1.5 seconds you won't be able to trigger a ninjutsu via macro which only allows wait times in full integers. Ninjutsu in the prelim patch notes is worded in such a way that your mudra combo will fail if you don't trigger within 5 seconds of your first mudra. The notes also say all three mudra share a recast timer.
I had more to say but the forum wanted me to remove 156 characters so I just cut all of it. -
10-27-2014, 02:35 PMSmells
I still need my macros SE
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10-27-2014, 02:43 PMZelthI SERIOUSLY hope he isn't using an unfinished Omnilex in T9. Obvious iLVL paddingQuote:
Originally Posted by Canadane
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10-27-2014, 02:50 PMVeloxinb4 people complaining they can't macro crappy Naruto-based phrases using /y due to lack of macro spaceQuote:
Originally Posted by Danbo05
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10-27-2014, 03:55 PMSmells/ac "Mercy Stroke" <t>Quote:
Originally Posted by Velox
/ac "Misery's End" <t>
/ac "Haymaker" <t>
/ac "Heavy Shot" <t>
/ac "Bloodletter" <t>
/ac "Repelling Shot" <t>
/ac "Blunt Arrow" <t>
/ac "Raging Strikes" <me>
/ac "Blood for Blood" <me>
/ac "Internal Release" <me>
/ac "Barrage" <me>
/ac "Hawk's Eye" <me>
/ac "Quelling Strikes" <me>
/ac Mantra <me>
/micon "Heavy Shot"
/ac "Mercy Stroke" <t>
/ac "Misery's End" <t>
/ac "Haymaker" <t>
/ac "Straight Shot" <t>
/ac "Bloodletter" <t>
/ac "Repelling Shot" <t>
/ac "Blunt Arrow" <t>
/ac "Raging Strikes" <me>
/ac "Blood for Blood" <me>
/ac "Internal Release" <me>
/ac "Barrage" <me>
/ac "Hawk's Eye" <me>
/ac "Quelling Strikes" <me>
/ac Mantra <me>
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10-27-2014, 04:11 PMMagnesium02I'm a Bard and this made me physically wince.Quote:
Originally Posted by Smells
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10-27-2014, 04:19 PMSmellsnow play bard without this macro..Quote:
Originally Posted by Magnesium02
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10-27-2014, 04:21 PMExstalLike any intelligent Bard?Quote:
Originally Posted by Smells
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10-27-2014, 04:35 PMMagnesium02When I started 2.0 Bard, I had 3 macros - 2 putting bloodletter and misery's end in front of Straight and Heavy Shots, and one with all the buffs in one macro. After a while I dropped the bloodletter from the macro to get used to triggering it manually when it procced but kept misery's cause it only affected the last 20%. After reading threads on here and reddit about the effect of macros substantially lowering DPS due to reduced efficency of GCD, I dropped the 2 macros altogether. I then rearranged by hotbars (controller user) and set my buffs separately as well. Since then my DPS has improved SO much and I can respond to changes in battle phase much better.Quote:
Originally Posted by Smells
Basically those macros were like training wheels. When you know how to ride, you remove them. The two you use are so enormously inefficent, I can't even .... -
10-27-2014, 04:48 PMSmells
that's too many more buttons to map if u don't macro the attacks. keep it simple and use macros so that u only attack with 3 sets of 1-4 buttons
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10-27-2014, 08:02 PMArilia
If you REALLY need to do something like that, the appropriate way to do it is something like this:
(For GCD skills)
/macroicon <skill>
/ac <skill>
/hotbar copy NIN 3 NIN 1
(For Non-GCD skills)
/macroicon <skill>
/ac <skill>
/hotbar copy NIN 4 NIN 1
Then you put your rotation skills on hotbar 3, and your off-GCDs on hotbar 4 and make sure these aren't shared in the settings. You should also put a macro that returns you to hotbar 3 in the first slot of 4, for when you decide you don't have anything off-GCD to do right now. Use Hotbar 2 for situationals that you may want to cast at any point. It's still a large number of macros, but it will keep your most common skills at your fingertips once you get used to your buttons doing different things at different times while forcing you to ACTUALLY learn your class. -
10-27-2014, 08:03 PMHulk_Smash
You should try to use a MMO gaming mouse. I personally use a logitech G600, but any with at least a third button will help. Use modifer keys, and key those skills manually. My mouse has 15 buttons + 1 modifier key.
On top of that, i use a Razer Ansasii keyboard. More modifier keys, w/ macro keys
Ex: monk gcd w/o GL stacks is approx 2.42 secs. With = 2.06 secs. You try to macro skills as a monk, then you will lose out on DPS.
Not trying to tell you how to play, just giving options.
Also, i place similar/same abilities in the same spot across jobs. Makes it easier, muscle memory wise, to execute abilities. -
10-27-2014, 08:22 PMItaruKarinA gaming mice with 12 buttons on the side makes life so much easier. I don't think I'd be able to go back to having to press the keyboard numbers ;_;Quote:
You should try to use a MMO gaming mouse.
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10-27-2014, 08:33 PMJudge_Xero"I have all skills on a single macro button" Said no Raider ever.Quote:
Originally Posted by Smells
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10-27-2014, 08:37 PMExstalWell, I guess this confirms you're trolling.Quote:
Originally Posted by Smells
Well played, sir. -
10-28-2014, 01:13 AMSeraviEdalborezThe hell are you playing on that you can only use 4 buttons. Please post screenshots or uninstall your client. Both or either would make my day.Quote:
Originally Posted by Smells
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10-28-2014, 02:50 AMShaolinMikeW...T...F...NOQuote:
Originally Posted by Smells
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10-28-2014, 03:12 AMArgyle_Darkheart
This thread makes me laugh.
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10-28-2014, 03:17 AMElkya95
I hope this is just entertainment for the time the servers are down....
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10-28-2014, 03:50 AMShaolinMike
If you're macro'ing your skills to the point where you play the game using 2 buttons, please go dust off your Nintendo and go play Dragon Warrior / Dragon Quest.
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10-28-2014, 04:01 AMKripp
I have never used macros since I've played this game. I'm pretty sure you will make room for ninja macros if you really must have them. If I play ninja I won't need macros.
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10-28-2014, 04:29 AMShaolinMike
Using "some" macros is fine, but I always work toward getting away from them as I get more proficient with the nuances of whatever job I'm playing.
As it relates to Ninja, I think part of the fun in casting Ninjutsu will be in manually triggering the mudras. It looks like they can be done fast enough so that ninjutsu will essentially function like an oGCD ability. I'm NOT saying that you can weave individual mudras in between GCDs, I'm suggesting that you can get them off (mudra,mudra,ninjutsu) in less than 2.5 seconds. Obviously for the 3 steps Ninjutsu it will be slightly longer, but not enough to significantly slow you down. -
10-28-2014, 04:43 AMKaze3434this is probably the worst thing i have ever seen someone do. please, learn to play.Quote:
Originally Posted by Smells
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10-28-2014, 04:55 AMStouterTaruThat is an oximoron.Quote:
Originally Posted by Exstal
But seriously, I need to have more macros so I can send out party speak every time I do something. -
10-28-2014, 04:58 AMShaolinMikeOh god please no. Macros for important notifications is fine, but the players who /p [insert obnoxious text] with every ability as if we're watching a DragonBall Z episode make me want to shoot myself.Quote:
Originally Posted by StouterTaru
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10-28-2014, 05:07 AMStouterTaru
But people need to hear the witty things I came up with for my abilities every 2 seconds.
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10-28-2014, 05:12 AMRiepahOxymoron*Quote:
Originally Posted by StouterTaru
If you're going to make fun of other people's intelligence, please avoid spelling mistakes in the process. -
10-28-2014, 05:19 AMHybris-Maenad
Does the OP know the rule against name&shame threads? Just because he's shaming himself shouldn't mean that the rule doesn't apply.
Please kill this thread mods. -
10-28-2014, 06:21 AMZosimoThis.Quote:
Originally Posted by SeraviEdalborez
Macros are for the weak anyhow.
Back in my day, we didn't have macros fighting our fights while we walked uphill both ways in the snow while still gaming. And we liked it. -
10-28-2014, 06:25 AMJakzChurchill
This maybe trolly but it does bring up a point in that a lot of the playerbase look down on macros even if used effectively.
I just find it funny that in XI it was pretty much the opposite, if you weren't macro'ing you were generally way behind on dps.
I do intend to macro ninjutsu, but using change cross hotbar to be sure I don't accidently hit the wrong skill, or fail to use the correct skill in a panic situation, should it ever arise.
It also means my jutsu abilities only take up 2 slots on my cross hotbar as opposed to 4, so I can get more of my rotational abilities in a spot I can access quickly. -
10-28-2014, 06:34 AMSmells
well this is 10/27/2014. macros do make things a lot faster and convenient
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10-28-2014, 07:04 AMSeraviEdalborezSome do. Yours don't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Smells
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10-28-2014, 07:29 AMAdamantiumPeople look down on macros in this game because it removes the ability to queue up your skills, leading to longer delays between each skill, which is a DPS loss.Quote:
Originally Posted by JakzChurchill
Using macros for some things (like notifications on debuffs) is fine. Using macros in an attempt to auto-pilot your way through the game is not. -
10-28-2014, 07:43 AMJakzChurchill
yeah that's why I said if used effectively.
Wait commands on abilities just don't work, putting Thunder 1, 2 and 3 under one macro, so it pops the one you have the mp to use works. Putting Fists of earth/fire onto one button to quickly switch between the two works. Macro'ing every dps abillity on sch to <tt> is the safest way to throw in that dps and still have the tank as your main target.
Infact 1 thing I quite enjoy in this game (don't ask me why) is finding ways to create clevers macros to effectively use my class while at the same time catering to the limited controller hot bar space.