Err... I don't know if someone asked this already since I skimmed the thread but... what is "WoD"? And what expansion in this that is being spoken of? I thought Final Fantasy's expansion was still quite a bit away... :confused::confused::confused:
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10-13-2014, 12:16 AMAussir
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10-13-2014, 12:19 AMKaelahWarlords of Draenor - World of Warcraft expansion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aussir
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10-13-2014, 12:24 AMreptiliane
Blizzard messed up with their one year without an update. Only dead brain cows will comeback :3
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10-13-2014, 12:50 AMAussirOh... that explains my ignorance... I've never played WoW or follow news for it at all...Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaelah
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10-13-2014, 02:50 AMDyne_Fellpool
I was about to ask what WoD is but I see its been asked and answered already.
I dont think WoW is all that relevant to us in FFXIV. Sure, the population size on each server will wax and wane a bit as all MMO populations do. But the population wont shrink small enough for it to matter anytime soon. -
10-13-2014, 02:54 AMRenik
I'm not a wow player, but i have read about the new expansion, isn't it a bunch of rehashed maps with new content and updated graphics? they are even selling high lvl characters, i don't see any potential on it.
I suppose it will attract some players, but i'm sure most ppl use long term subs here, they will be back before the sub ends. -
10-13-2014, 03:04 AMMahri
I doubt it'll hurt FFXIV much in the long run. There might be a drop in subs over the next few months, but the people invested in this game will most likely return. It will not greatly effect SE's bottom line, or even impact their release pipeline for content patches.
Because of this game's brand name, there's a built-in audience who came for the Final Fantasy and will stay for the same reason.
For my part, though I may not log in as often, I don't plan on cancelling my FFXIV sub. I'm highly skeptical of WoW: Warlords of Draenor's chances of enamouring me. I do not feel as invested in that game's setting or storylines than I do for this one. That's rather strange, considering how long Warcraft has been around (and how long I've been an avid player of it), but the metaplot is worn and stretched incredibly thin. -
10-13-2014, 03:33 AMXatsh
There are a good chunk of people who will leave in my opinion. I would say 15-20% at least for the short term. Then it will be up to how good the WoW expansion is if they will stay gone.
The game is a WoW clone, many people in this game are from WoW and are playing it because they got bored with WoW. Those players will probably go back to it at the expansion.
Will it be a disaster, probably not. But it will cost this game a chunk of its population. -
10-13-2014, 04:43 AMSkotie
Some people will go back to WoW, at least until they get bored with it again. I quit WoW myself a long time ago, no matter the expansion I'm not going back though I do miss the old days. (late BC-Mid WOLK for me) I'll just watch youtube videos to see the story elements of WoD, that's really all I care about.
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10-13-2014, 04:46 AMVesperiaTonberryagreeQuote:
Originally Posted by Xatsh
i mainly play mmorpg for raiding/dungeon and world pvp, which honestly WoW is far more superior for now
and i really hate instanced world, loading screen everywhere @@ -
10-13-2014, 04:58 AMNoshpan
We honestly won't know how the launch of Warlords of Draenor* will affect FFXIV until that time.
For me, for the first time in 7 years, I'm not interested all that much in WoW. I'm not excited for it at all, and am considering not getting the expansion (and resubscribing) at launch. I may wait until the expansion's price drops from $60 to $20-40, though. It's not the game itself but the community that has killed all of my enjoyment in WoW. Well, that and only having one friend who still plays WoW.
*I can't call Warlods of Draenor "WoD" because that abbreviation makes me think "World of Darkness", which is a table-top RPG using the storyteller system. Published by White Wolf from the early 1990s until it was purchased (and gradually gutted) by CCP. Now the majority of White Wolf's gaming repertoire is printed by Onyx Publishing, which consists of a fair amount of former White Wolf employees. -
10-13-2014, 05:00 AMHakuroDK
I think anyone who hasn't already gone back to WoW by now will probably go back to WoW, realize why they don't play WoW anymore, then come back to FFXIV.
It'll hurt FFXIV about as badly as a papercut, and just like a papercut, it'll heal with a little bit of time. -
10-13-2014, 05:10 AMTupsiWhich is Odd when yoshida designed XIV after WoW and didn't even do that good of a job in some areas that WoW still does far better. One of the main things going for XIV is that it's better than 1.0 (2010's launch.) ARR is still a 'new' MMO, but recent updates lots of people have been leaving, the game won't crash and burn just like XI didn't when WoW released in 2004, but a good portion of the population has to do with WoW having no updates during, coincidentally, the same year ARR came out.Quote:
Originally Posted by HakuroDK
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10-13-2014, 05:15 AMMaraelWtf is WoD?Quote:
Originally Posted by Madruck
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10-13-2014, 05:18 AMCid_Grim
I am not a fan of WoW, so I will not be playing it, but I'm sure there are many people who will.
They will probably check out the new stuff and come back to FFXIV when there is new stuff here. My FC was a ghost town after destiny released. People just want to play new stuff. Doesn't mean it will destroy FFXIV or anything. -
10-13-2014, 05:21 AMZReport
There's no doubt people will leave to go play WoW & WoD. That's just the very fickle nature of MMO gamers -- they play whatever is new or becomes a fad within the genre. This same fickle nature doesn't keep the players around if they immediately find content stale or follow game reviewers, who hold a decent sway on the masses. It's essentially why LoTRO, SWOTR, Aion, Rift, Wildstar, & GW2 all started off very strong and then plateaued over time, with some games actually losing a great deal of subscribers. FFXIV: ARR will also plateau with subs, but it won't fall into the same trap as LoTRO, SWOTOR or Wildstar because it is an ever changing game and the devs have made it their mission to jampack the game with content every month, bringing fickle players back. The game now has a set amount of devout followers who will never play another MMO as long as content keeps coming regardless.
FFXIV: ARR will be fine and in fact Yoshi-P encourages that people play other games [MMOs] and then come back to a wealth of content after a couple of months. FFXIV: ARR <=> WoD <=> FFXIV Expansion will be no different.
I will likely play both myself.
Warlords of Draenor, a World of Warcraft expansion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marael
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10-13-2014, 05:23 AMHakuroDKThat sounds like an obnoxious amount of speculation and conjecture.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tupsi
WoW is a very old and very tired MMO that has been suffering from playerbase losses since, AFAIK, Cataclysm. Mists of Pandaria did nothing to help with that other than pander to new and returning players that couldn't be retained and this new expansion will likely be much the same.
For the record, Yoshida borrowed a lot of elements from a lot of MMOs. Most of which were admittedly features in WoW, which oddly enough, were also features that were taken from Everquest, and that conversation ends up just turning into a huge "Who is copying whom?" debate that solves absolutely nothing because ultimately, 90% of features that people claim WoW did first were actually features Everquest did before WoW was even a thing, and the other 10% were features taken from other MMOs that came out after WoW that WoW adopted.
The fact of the matter is this: People who played this game and preferred WoW to this have either migrated back to WoW already or they have too much invested in FFXIV to quit for some reason. Anyone who goes back to WoW now will probably just come back once the new Expansion Pack smell wears off, because those are the people who just want to see if their issues with WoW are gone and they will very likely be disappointed to see that it's exactly the same game with just a little bit more content. -
10-13-2014, 05:25 AMZaiken
WoD won't put any dent in any game. Wow was peak at 12mils subribers, but that number have been dropping rapidly. Down to 7 mils, now less then 6 mils. Sure, people may check it out for a Month and two, then just realized it just another expansion with more Raids and area to explored. Upgrading Character Model won't save the game. Wow died a long time ago already. Right now, there tons of Bots and China players left.
And you got to be kidding if you think WoD Graphic will be comparable to FFXIV. They only add more polygon to the Characters model, their Graphic Engine is so old that they can't do much with it while FFXIV can do much more. -
10-13-2014, 05:30 AMTupsiGo back to interviews and even browse the 1.0 forums around ARR's development (since beta forums are inaccessible) - You'll see pretty quickly Yoshida wasn't exactly secretive about using WoW as the base model for ARR like they used EQ for the base model of FFXI.Quote:
Originally Posted by HakuroDK
Indeed, but he kept reiterating he feels WoW is the standard and wants to build ARR like that. That's why I said WoW still does it better since ARR is still having some issues in the 'borrowed' areas. So it's not that it's the only MMO they borrowed from, it's the fact he wasn't hiding that WoW is basically ARR's "role model." Which is why I said it'd be odd to go to play the MMO they based ARR around, dislike the more efficiently designed features, then come back and enjoy the more broken versions of the same systems. :pQuote:
For the record, Yoshida borrowed a lot of elements from a lot of MMOs.
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10-13-2014, 05:31 AMLufir
Its pretty common for subs to take a hit once a new MMO comes out. Especially a WoW expansion, since it is without a doubt the top MMO out there. I personally quit WoW around the mid to early-end of Mists of Pandaria. So, I most likely will not be going back. Although what does concern me about ARR is that its been up and running for a year now, and it feels like the content is already getting stale.
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10-13-2014, 05:35 AMElim
I didn't even know what WoD stood for until I browsed this thread. Lol
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10-13-2014, 05:50 AMCynfaelSame. WoW was on my personal radar for about a month. It was enjoyable for a short time, but I wouldn't consider trying it again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Elim
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10-13-2014, 06:05 AMSparktacus
At the end of the day its not a fair comparison as we are still in vanilla 14 2.X no expansions yet, game is barely a year old. Of course there is becoming a serious drought in content, especially when they don't provide much engaging long lasting content at any patch except for SCoB. I expect as all MMO's ebb and flow due to patch/xpac releases WoW will see some of those numbers back, and people will leave and do that for a few months and come back here or stay there for all we know.
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10-13-2014, 06:17 AMMahri
The amount of people going, "what's WoD?" in this thread is testimony that a lot of the audience here came for this game, not just for a new MMO fad.
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10-13-2014, 06:42 AMHakuroDKI don't remember that at all. I remember Yoshida saying that he borrowed elements from a lot of different MMOs. I don't remember him saying anything about using WoW as a base model. Could you perhaps find a source that said those things? I have a hard time believing that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tupsi
One thing that confuses me all the time is when people say this. If you feel so strongly that WoW is the superior MMO, why aren't you playing WoW? That's not rhetorical, that is an honest and legitimate question. I really want to know. Because when I hear people on the forums hate on FFXIV for being inferior to <insert MMO name here>, I have to wonder if people are here for the sole purpose of hating on things. I mean, do you play this game because it's so bad and you want something to get angry about? I'm seriously baffled.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tupsi
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10-13-2014, 06:43 AMGalkaBikini
A lot of people, like myself, gave up on WoW many years ago. Some of us tried to go back for Pandaria and we all quit within the month. I personally didn't even last 2 weeks. I've been subbed to FFXIV since 2.0 release and will not quit any time soon. As others have stated, the MMO hoppers will do what they do and buy WoW's expansion, play a lot until they get burnt out (usually no more than 2 months), and then move on to another MMO or expansion. As for FFXIV's REAL player base? It won't affect it much if at all, since a lot of us that love FFXIV are playing it because it is more community based than most other MMOs including WoW.
Honestly, I feel sorry for anyone that still gives in to Blizzard's same ol' same ol'. -
10-13-2014, 06:50 AMFumijj_Gah
Seriously guys, no way WoW is going to damage MMORPG population anymore, especially FFXIV that has a solid one.
They lost more than 7,000,000 players in 3 years and (13 to 6) it's normal since it's getting old. Also, Blizzard closed with MMORPGs, they discarded "Titan" project and it seems they have no more interest on MMORPGs. -
10-13-2014, 06:52 AMBluevann
I'd like to ask "what is WoD?" before answering your question...
...but perhaps this is a sufficient answer already. -
10-13-2014, 07:00 AMAzper
I can see there being a short-term dip in population due to people wanting to check out that expansion. However, I don't see it having any major lasting impact on this game.
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10-13-2014, 07:00 AMChihaya
Another one of Madruck's end of the world threads?
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10-13-2014, 07:09 AMabzoluut
People will check out WoD for sure. I don't think it will be much of an impact for FFXIV though.
I think Final Fantasy has solid subscribers. People chose the genre, it's what keeps this game going. Now we need some good development decisions for 3.0 starting with changing the job system <--- more depth to jobs <--- more options for content <--- stop catering to the new player only and make solid content for everyone to enjoy. -
10-13-2014, 07:18 AMSandoria
I loved WoW in it's time. It really had a lot of story and lore and fun things to do and see. For nostalgia's sake, I resubbed for a month this summer but it just wasn't the same. Kind of feels hollow now and I realized it wasn't the current game I miss but it's BC-WOTKL version. Glad to see their graphics are finally getting a polish but even with an update, they don't compare to this game. People will leave when WoD drops as a lot of people love Warcraft and want to see their new stuff/stories. A good deal of people will also stay with this game as it's really a great game. We will see a population drop at least temporarily but I don't foresee either game DYING in the process. If anything the competition is good for both games as it's incentive to make both companies try harder.
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10-13-2014, 07:19 AMWarlyx
2.4 will be before WoD but blizz is releasing the prepatch this week , that could hurt too , new model /talents and some dungeons (ubrs for lvl 90 and another thing that i cant remember now , a bg? )
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10-13-2014, 07:32 AMDwillComing from Tupsi, did you expect anything else ?Quote:
Originally Posted by HakuroDK
If he kept reiterating it, show me 3 sources where it states that he wants to build ARR the same way as WoW. And please, do not post link about him taking inspiration from the game, nearly everyone takes inspiration from WoW when designing a MMO and taking inspiration from a game is not the same as building the game just like it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tupsi
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10-13-2014, 07:34 AMThayosI also don't know what WoD is.Quote:
What is WoD?
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10-13-2014, 07:45 AMHakuroDKI'm not jaded enough to expect anything from anyone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dwill
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10-13-2014, 07:48 AMAntaniasWarlords of Draenor, WoW's 5th expansion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thayos
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10-13-2014, 07:57 AMFyrebrandThis was me, too, at first. I had to think about it. "Warriors of Dynasty?" "World of Ducks?"Quote:
Originally Posted by BobbinT
I did eventually realize OP was talking about Warlord of Draenor, the next WoW expansion. But the fact that he never actually bothered to spell it out, and just assumed everyone magically knew what he was talking about, seems a little pretentious.
http://i.imgur.com/AXCBsEY.gif?1Quote:
Originally Posted by Madruck
Uh... the updated character models are neat, but in my opinion are still fairly dated. I don't see how it is even close to FFXIV, graphically.
Anyway, to answer your original question: I can't speak for what others will do. It's likely that some amount of people will want to try out the new WoW expansion, but I won't be one of them. I quit for good after Cataclysm. Pandas did not entice me, and neither does what they're offering now. In fact, since the game has that limited free trial (play til level 20, I think), I actually went back and played around in WoW just for old time's sake. It's actually pretty jarring, after playing more modern MMORPGs. It felt very awkward to play, and the experience quickly dissolved whatever nostalgia I had left for the game. Blizzard can apply as many facelifts they want, it doesn't change what's underneath. -
10-13-2014, 07:57 AMDwillI didn't mean to say if that you were jaded, apologies if it came out that way. From my point of view, after seeing someone repetitively act the same way over and over, I don't think it's a matter of being jaded as much as having a reputation (good or bad) following you so one can quickly expect how someone will act to be able to deal with it accordingly.Quote:
Originally Posted by HakuroDK
On-topic, WoD coming out will have some effect on the game population but it's not going to be substantial. 2.4 coming out soon will make sure to minimize the impact that WoD will have on the playerbase. Obviously, everything in this thread is pure conjecture as far as what will really happen and we can only rely on our past experience to make a somewhat educated guess. -
10-13-2014, 07:59 AMHakuroDKFair enough. I don't keep enough tabs on forum people for any one of them to develop a reputation in my mind. I just react to whatever anyone says at face value, regardless of what they've said in the past. Makes things simpler.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dwill
Haha, I did this too! Except for me, it was "World of Darkness" at first, and I was thinking, "Wait a minute... that's not coming out until 2.5. Why are we talking about this now?" and then I thought it was some hot new MMO on the market I'd not yet heard of.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fyrebrand