Way to kill the game SE

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Originally Posted by Raxion

If you only played this game for the housing system, you're not doing it right.

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If I throw my money at SE and am enjoying myself standing in a house, I think that is a proper way to spend my free time on a videogame that I play for enjoyment.

Does the price reduce just like FC housing? If so, if you wait a while the smallest land may cost 850k. Or not

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Originally Posted by myahele

Does the price reduce just like FC housing? If so, if you wait a while the smallest land may cost 850k. Or not

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They'll be all taken by that time.

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Originally Posted by HeroSamson

Really, I own a house and you don't make much gil from gardening, you get a small house you can only have 1 garden plot.

Reason is that the person who have gardening plots and houses have lower the prices and seeds cost tons of gil.

So if you are mentioning gardening I believe you think you gonna make some moneys you aint

Best thing to do is join a FC with a house use their garden color your bird.

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Not so much about making gil as opposed to saving gil and getting to participate in content instead of seeing people run around with proof of participating in said content like salt on a wound.

You would think that after 1.0 the Dev's would realize that if things aren't going according to plan (like housing resources availability), you don't just keep falling down the slope thinking things will eventually pan out...

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Originally Posted by myahele

Does the price reduce just like FC housing? If so, if you wait a while the smallest land may cost 850k. Or not

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What makes you think now that anyone who is super rich (probably from RMT) can buy a house as an individual that there will be any empty plots sitting idle while you wait for them to devalue?

people no longer have to level a FC up before being allowed to purchase a plot... anybody with the gil can just walk in now alone and buy them. Including the Gil Sellers themselves.

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The development team has been making the most of limited server resources to develop a new system that will allow us to add as many new housing plots as possible, but as we need to perform extensive optimization and debugging operations, we will not be able to implement this until Patch 2.4.

Some of you may be thinking it would have been better to simply wait until the release of Patch 2.4 instead of adding just a couple of housing wards, but please understand that we would like to do our utmost to ensure that new land is opened up as soon as possible, even if that means adding only a small number.

In the future, we plan to be able to double the total land for all existing housing wards, including the two new wards, in Patch 2.4 with the system changes that we are currently working on.

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Here are your options:

• Demand more housing now, deal with unstable servers and possibly limit more content
• Save up while waiting for a month when properties devalue, ward sizes are doubled, and two more wards are added

I get people use this stuff for more than just vanity, but it's not like it's going to be two extra wards forever. Pick up a crafting/gathering class, spiritbond, whatever until 2.4 and then get your stuff. Don't quit because you need to put effort into getting something you want.

I keep seeing this:

"I've waited for this for a very long time!" followed by this "I can't afford 4m!"

It sounds like you weren't really interested in housing at all, seeing as how you didn't save money for it in case that the price was over what you expected it to be, you were just hoping it would be under a million, and not sure how people that have been playing for a year aren't able to make that much gil easily.
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Let's pretend the prices would be 1 million, what would we see instead of this? "OMG I just got home from work and all the plots are gone! Wtf SE? I'm ragequitting kthxbye be back in a week."
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Originally Posted by Raxion

If you only played this game for the housing system, you're not doing it right. So much doom and gloom over personal housing. It's just a waste of time and gil anyway. Join a decent FC and you can have access to a house without paying anything at all.

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What's doing the game right then?
Sitting on T6+ for weekly lock outs?

You little free reign and too many con's with the FC thing.

-FC can steal your plant stuff.
- You can lose 300k from your inn thing room if you get the boot.
- People moving things you placed.
- Can get kicked out, had put stuff in FC can't return it. [Not your inn stuff, that can be obtained but not the 300k]

This game needs Gil sinks anyways, badly but Jesus friggin' Christ, not an arm and legs worth.

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Originally Posted by Yolteotl

Not so much about making gil as opposed to saving gil and getting to participate in content instead of seeing people run around with proof of participating in said content like salt on a wound.

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Not if you join a Free company someone who has a house.

I understand that your friends and all of you might not wanna split up, though whats the reason your friends don't wanna pitch in the gil to get the house? If they aren't interested and you are why not leave and go enjoy content.

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You could tell them to all pitch in make the gil and buy the plot together nobody is stopping you from doing this the only one stopping you is you or FC because you wanna save a few extra gil in the process.
I didn't let that stop me I went and got my plot and house though nothing special about it.

its like having a barbie dream house, I don't even touch it, my woman messes with it all the time but me I don't see what the big deal is.

I believe in SE. Changes will come. Doesn't destroy the game for me.

As the approach seems odd and not well tought, I don´t see how this will "KILL" the game,...

I can´t think of people playing this stuff now for a year, doing all this adventuring to close the timegap, and now just to play "Sims 2.38 - Eorzea Stuff".

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Originally Posted by wicked-one

As the approach seems odd and not well tought, I don´t see how this will "KILL" the game,...

I can´t think of people playing this stuff now for a year, doing all this adventuring to close the timegap, and now just to play "Sims 2.38 - Eorzea Stuff".

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You underestimate the power of 'Please Look Forward To It'
lol, it's been floating this game for 4 years now and the only time it didnt really disappoint players was when the servers were shutdown and Betas (excluding ARR's Open Beta - 3102)

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Originally Posted by Raxion

What content is gated by housing? Chocobo dying? The garden only produced items that are used for more housing items, or for training your (useless) Chocobo companion.

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so they expect us to pay 70 million for a large useless plot?

I mean hey, just because it's useless to you doesn't mean it's useless to everyone... There's good money to be made in gardening and some of us like dying and training or (useless) chocobos

The amounts of overreaction is hilarious. When the minority of us cry about the ATMA grind, most of you respond with "YOU NEED TO EARN IT" "STOP WANTING EVERYTHING HANDED TO YOU" "YOU JUST WANT IT HANDED TO YOU"

I'm looking at this thread and just like that the attitude has flip-flopped. The same people who scream at the rooftops about needing to your earn your stripes in this game are now threating to quit because how hard housing is gonna be to get. You want personal housing? Save your gil. Earn it. Camp for server reopening and quickly grab a spot. Stop wanting everything handed to you! And be okay with the idea that its not everyone, and that you might never attain it - but hey, thats what makes it so unique right? Thats a good thing, right? Lol, these forums crack me up.

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Originally Posted by DenariusJay

The amounts of overreaction is hilarious. When the minority of us cry about the ATMA grind, most of you respond with "YOU NEED TO EARN IT" "STOP WANTING EVERYTHING HANDED TO YOU" "YOU JUST WANT IT HANDED TO YOU"

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I still working on my ATMA ..

This may not kill the game but it doesn't exactly put people at ease for what's to come either. "You'll all be back for Ninja" .. Why? So they can be disappointed by that too? Even if it does turn out to be the greatest thing in the world why are they gonna bother giving it a chance when something they've been waiting for (no matter how insignificant you may think it is) for a long time turned out like.. This..

Even if the amount of people who leave because of this seems negligible the game is still losing subscriptions and if this kind of thing keeps up it will continue to lose them. So no, this may not be the end of Eorzea but it wasn't just one thing that destroyed 1.0 either.

The amount of complaints is still not as much as when FC housing prices were released, as well as the amount of threats of the game dying that never materialized. OP are you personally going to quit or are the quitters always going to be nameless other people while you vindicate SE's decisions with your paying sub.

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Originally Posted by DenariusJay

The amounts of overreaction is hilarious. When the minority of us cry about the ATMA grind, most of you respond with "YOU NEED TO EARN IT" "STOP WANTING EVERYTHING HANDED TO YOU" "YOU JUST WANT IT HANDED TO YOU"

I'm looking at this thread and just like that the attitude has flip-flopped. The same people who scream at the rooftops about needing to your earn your stripes in this game are now threating to quit because how hard housing is gonna be to get. You want personal housing? Save your gil. Earn it. Camp for server reopening and quickly grab a spot. Stop wanting everything handed to you! And be okay with the idea that its not everyone, and that you might never attain it - but hey, thats what makes it so unique right? Thats a good thing, right? Lol, these forums crack me up.

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LOL. This is so true, but in my defense I am against both mechanics lol

But yea I guess it is true that the game will not die, after all Ultima Online and Everquest are still live games.... But there are several of us players that do not want to see this game die off anymore rapidly than can be helped and the one's that act like nothing is wrong are the one's that are helping it die

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Originally Posted by Riviere

Let's pretend the prices would be 1 million, what would we see instead of this? "OMG I just got home from work and all the plots are gone! Wtf SE? I'm ragequitting kthxbye be back in a week."

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Actually, no one would be complaining, as Yoshida already explained why there are only two wards being added, so people would just race to get it, and wait until 2.4 until more Wards are being added.

Sorry, but you just don't get why people are upset over this. I don't even need a personal house, I have a FC house that is just myself that I bought for the ridiculous 8m price tag before the 25% - 50% price drop only weeks later, and even I see that this is complete shit.

We should have just got instanced houses or a separate personal housing wards to justify a cheaper cost for small houses, not tweak some things to let single people buy a FC house without access to personal rooms lel.

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Originally Posted by LeonBlade

Actually, no one would be complaining, as Yoshida already explained why there are only two wards being added, so people would just race to get it, and wait until 2.4 until more Wards are being added.

Sorry, but you just don't get why people are upset over this. I don't even need a personal house, I have a FC house that is just myself that I bought for the ridiculous 8m price tag before the 25% - 50% price drop only weeks later, and even I see that this is complete shit.

We should have just got instanced houses or a separate personal housing wards to justify a cheaper cost for small houses, not tweak some things to let single people buy a FC house without access to personal rooms lel.

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I agree about how personal housing should of been instanced, and the worst thing about not instancing personal housing is the fact that the Dev's already knew that the current housing servers cannot even support enough plots of land for all the FCs desiring houses; add 2 Wards and double the total wards for 2.4 and even in 2.4 the amount of plots of land will be NO WHERE NEAR enough for personal housing demand and the later and later it takes them to come up with resources to provide more plots the more the demand will continue to outgrow the supply... It's a snowballing effect and the Devs are just going along for the ride thinking a miracle will eventually happen. Only time the demand will stabilize with the supply with their current method is when enough people quit to where everyone who still plays already has a house.

I wouldn't have guessed that the best thing from this patch would be the enjoyment I get from seeing people rage in the forums.

Gardening is not content. It's just a means of obtaining pointless mats only used for ... housing items. You can dye your chocobos at your FC. You RP? Great. You have a private room to decorate and play in.

And if you've been looking forward to housing for *so* long, you should have enough gil saved up to buy a house. I made 4 mil in the last couple of days. What have you been doing? If you're that dedicated to it, stay awake, log on when servers come up and buy your beloved home.

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Originally Posted by KarmaCha

I wouldn't have guessed that the best thing from this patch would be the enjoyment I get from seeing people rage in the forums.

Gardening is not content. It's just a means of obtaining pointless mats only used for ... housing items. You can dye your chocobos at your FC. You RP? Great. You have a private room to decorate and play in.

And if you've been looking forward to housing for *so* long, you should have enough gil saved up to buy a house. I made 4 mil in the last couple of days. What have you been doing? If you're that dedicated to it, stay awake, log on when servers come up and buy your beloved home.

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Lol well if you are enjoying it so much then why have u missed 3/4ths of the points people are trying to make and that it's not about the PRICE but the SCARCITY that people are upset about. If the price is higher than people wanted but the scarcity was not an issue people can just save up later. But since Scarcity is the primary issue, people can't just earn up the gil variance as opposed to expected values and then be able to get the house. And as I already said Scarcity is still going to be an issue in 2.4 and will continue to snowball as it takes them longer and longer to come up with the appropriate resources

And if Gardening isn't content and housing is so pointless then why is SE always using it as their sales pitch and why is SE spending so much money on infrastructure for the sole purpose of housing and yet they can't spend enough to match the demand? Currently SE primarily uses Primal fights as promotional material to try to attract new players to the game since those people have no idea how redundantly boring those fights really are, but for the people who picked ARR at launch and the first few months after, housing was one of THE hot tickets for promotional material.

I don't care much about how to obtain or how expensive the houses are but my problem is houses are so useless in this game.

you can't logout on your bed, you can't re-watch cutscenes, you can't summon the barber guy, and it doesn't mean anything to stay in your house (my biggest problem with it).

staying in our house should give us some buff like exp plus, item drop rate plus, crafting buff, etc. give us some reason to go back to our room after we spent millions of gil for it.

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Originally Posted by Evangela

I don't care much about how to obtain or how expensive the houses are but my problem is houses are so useless in this game.

you can't logout on your bed, you can't re-watch cutscenes, you can't summon the barber guy, and it doesn't mean anything to stay in your house (my biggest problem with it).

staying in our house should give us some buff like exp plus, item drop rate plus, crafting buff, etc. give us some reason to go back to our room after we spent millions of gil for it.

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You mean like how the original sales pitches for housing boasted you could do things like build windmills for xp buffs? Lol that's like 5 layers of lies about Housing ago...

I understand the fundamental dynamics of the game revolves around 6 month cycles, but do the Dev's really need to repeat their mistakes in 6 months cycles as well? This just reeks of the exact same poor decisions by the Devs and backlash from the players dealing with the initiation of FC housing (although the backlash isnt AS loud because many people just gave up since then). Which gives it the appearance of the Dev's 'listened' in hindsight to the issues as they played out, but as far as future development refused to make the adjustments learned from prior feedback.

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Originally Posted by corticarte

wish they would drop the price for FC rooms from 300k to like 50k i cant even make gil in this game cuz retards always undercut prices on the market for items i put up & your bitching about prices on player houses... if a casual player can barely make gil in this game cuz retards undercutting on the market you can thank the RMT retards for the overpriced shit in this game cuz from what ive seen SE makes prices that high cuz they want you to buy from RMT sites that SE runs in the shadows

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Well someone is a bit upset about people undercutting..

I was just reading through the prices for the private housing floors and to be honest I will admit I was kind of floored by the figures listed for plots of land (70 million for a large "1st class plot" on medium servers)

That being said, rather than looking at it negatively, I'm preferring to think of it as an eventual goal. I recently started playing again after an extended absence, I didn't really expect them to be overly cheap since there would not be anywhere near enough space without housing being instanced, seeing the listed figures caught me off-guard, but I know that they must be within the realms of possibility for one to be able to do within a moderately respectable time frame.

Lol, nice hyperbole, TC.

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Originally Posted by CthulhuNZ

I was just reading through the prices for the private housing floors and to be honest I will admit I was kind of floored by the figures listed for plots of land (70 million for a large "1st class plot" on medium servers)

That being said, rather than looking at it negatively, I'm preferring to think of it as an eventual goal. I recently started playing again after an extended absence, I didn't really expect them to be overly cheap since there would not be anywhere near enough space without housing being instanced, seeing the listed figures caught me off-guard, but I know that they must be within the realms of possibility for one to be able to do within a moderately respectable time frame.

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Well if you were on a leave of absence the problem isn't directly the price it is this:
Yoshi's Lie about Personal Housing

combined with the fact that personal housing is being thrown together with the scarcity issues that are already plaguing FC's trying to get plots of land for Housing.

And the prices aren't technically very feasible they are just the exact same as the FC Housing prices after they had to drop those severely because of heavy disapproval by the community. Just like when FC housing 1st came out, noone in their right mind would dump that kind of gil on housing if they truly earned that much gil they wouldnt just throw that much away on a house. Small houses sure but even the small house price is in violation of what Yoshi-P told the community would happen, and there are dozens of FCs that are desperately desiring those Small Plots on alot of servers today but there aren't enough available.

Just the same as how when FC housing first came out Small Houses were insane for small FCs but not large FCs... The Devs are foolishly repeating their mistakes... It's pretty simple if you ALREADY KNOW your customers are NOT going to be pleased in comparison to the promises you have given them, INSTEAD of sealing the information until the last second; just realize it is a BAD idea and ABORT the process.

Doomsday post number 568

Reminds me when people used to come into the forums and say FFXI is gonna die because they made them unhappy and today the game is still running.

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Originally Posted by Yolteotl

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I'm still decidedly meh, I only have 170,000 gil to my name at the moment, even if the listed prices were 10% of what they are, it would still be beyond my finances. Rather than get bent out of shape over it, I'm simply going to work on building up funds so that when more wards are added in 2.4 I will hopefully be ready to actually purchase one.

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Originally Posted by CthulhuNZ

I'm still decidedly meh, I only have 170,000 gil to my name at the moment, even if the listed prices were 10% of what they are, it would still be beyond my finances. Rather than get bent out of shape over it, I'm simply going to work on building up funds so that when more wards are added in 2.4 I will hopefully be ready to actually purchase one.

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You do realize that the current number of wards don't even cover the demand for FC's. Even if they had only added FCs to the 2 new wards coming out this patch there would be some large openings but about it on some servers. Main variance being that if those wards would of continued to remain FC only instead of mixed with personal housing the FCs would of waited for the prices to lower before purchase, but now it'll just be a foolish landgrab between elitely wealthy players and desperate FCs every time they under-expand the wards. Considering there are 100s of FCs but yet 1000s of characters, doubling the wards will come NO WHERE NEAR the demand for personal housing.

When they first released FC Housing it created a buying freeze on the servers, with the overly exaggerated personal housing prices compared to Yoshi's lie about the prices it only messes the economies back up again into a freeze.

And get ready for Mercs to spam your /sh & /yell channels again and litter the party finder because most people who have excessive gil get it by predatory means against other players on their server.

And for those people who keep knocking on 1.0 like it was the plague, by the time it shutdown it wasn't that bad and at least back then Yoshi-P lived up to his promises. Some people thought live events were lame but at least they were exactly what he said they were.

I'd laugh if something so minor would kill the game. It's just housing people. Yes, I know there's a lot of you that wanted it and I understand that things as they are now are pretty frustrating. But this killing the whole game? Not a chance.

the ppl that care about personal housing, is a minority.
i dont know details...as i dont care. but i can assure you, the game isn't going to die because most ppl can't get a personal house -.-

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Originally Posted by Muzetta

I'd laugh if something so minor would kill the game. It's just housing people. Yes, I know there's a lot of you that wanted it and I understand that things as they are now are pretty frustrating. But this killing the whole game? Not a chance.

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IF one were to foolishly separate the personal housing lies and disappointments like it is the only thing ever deliberately handled wrong in this game, then yes it would be foolish to see this killing the game, however everyone who has played this game knows better.

To some people Yoshi-P's boldface lie to the players about personal housing will be the "straw that breaks the back", for some players the implementation of Hunts was the straw, for some players atmas were the straw, for some players the lack of challenge in "challenging" content was the straw, for some players the broken arena PvP was the straw, for some players initial FC housing implementation was the straw, for some players SE not keeping old legacy account information secure and having their accounts disabled for 2 weeks because it was stolen was the straw, for some players the lack of QA testing the core NA datacenter was the straw, for some players even 3102 was the straw....

The reality is every time a consumer feels disenfranchised by a company/product it lingers. Every single time the servers have gone live with ARR since Closed Beta had ended, this game has always had some aspect that was no where near "as advertised". When a producer or company pulls the wool over your eyes once it's "shame on them", when they do it again it is "shame on YOU" and it is completely illogical to continue to support their service EVENTUALLY regardless of what literal breaking point is which for different consumers because there is way too much competition in the gaming market to "stick it out" with a team or company who deliberately proves time and again not to trust anything that comes out of their mouth.

Point is every patch is more a motivation for people to leave this game than for people to regain or retain interest in this game and every patch is like "enough is enough" for some people. Fanboys can claim "that will never happen to them" but I feel pretty confident you gave up on a different game before you came to this one...

It's just gotten to the point to where many people see Yoshi-P as a mere hype-man, saying whatever empty words or exaggerations are necessary to try to keep the subscriptions coming, instead of a distinguishable producer. You know there are "some" truths to his statements but u never know what your going to have to shovel through to get to it. Like his pre-written statement concerning player housing, he admits the truth of the under-developed state of the housing instances but he over-exaggerates deeply how doubling the ward counts will make things "good". You are doubling Wards at the same time that u are exponentially more increasing demand by mixing personal housing in with FC housing, he ALREADY knows this is not good enough to really fix anything but he LIES for the subs. A distinguishable producer doesn't write a letter of excuses before the content goes live, they make sure the content does not need excuses because the content is good.

Each patch just feels like you're being told you're getting a fancy new car over and over and over, then when it's all said and done they throw a rusty, broke-down Pinto your way and say "it's still a car", "Please look forward to a nicer car", then get stuck with yet another broke-down Pinto the next time.

If the housing wasn't such an issue he wouldn't of had that letter of apology ready before the patch went live and the forum servers wouldn't be getting congested... And it wouldn't of gotten so congested when they also disenfranchised the players with the initial FC housing debacle...