Over 240 maps and no blue bird.

I blame atma and the hunts.

I have gotten a lip every single day since 2.1 for a total of 244 lottery tickers not including over 20 lottery tickets a friend gave me and I didn't get a millions in any of them, while a friend of mine gets his million the day 2.1 came out and he gets a second one later. I feel like millions drop rate should be increased at this point because it is several months old.

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Originally Posted by ispano

And yet I've seen vanity items in other games be far more rare, not to mention untradeable. Because if they bumped up the chance to get it to something you'd likely accept, it would then be too easy to get and lose the vanity of it, because just about everyone would have one.

So you're basically saying you don't mind it being rare, but it's stupid that you don't have one, because it's rare.

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It's not stupid just because I don't have one, it's stupid because I work on getting it for almost 5 months and don't get it yet other people get it right away or get more than one over and over, it should be equal for everyone, RNG should be balanced.

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Originally Posted by XenoSamurai

It's not stupid just because I don't have one, it's stupid because I work on getting it for almost 5 months and don't get it yet other people get it right away or get more than one over and over, it should be equal for everyone, RNG should be balanced.

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Then it's not RNG anymore.

RNG is flawed. The sooner everyone realizes this, the better the devs will get at designing meaningful content instead of soulless grinds.

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Originally Posted by Staris

It is a fallacy of logic to think it is cheaper to farm it yourself. Even if you got it, your down 2 mil gil, because you could have sold it.

Opportunity cost of selling maps & time spent doing maps > spending money on it.
Just because you didn't buy the maps doesn't mean they don't have the same exact value. (minus tax)
Anyone with any basic understanding of economics and statistics will tell you to just buy it if you want it that bad.

Its simple gambling, some people win, most people lose.

Its people like you who play the lottery, instead of saving money... buying a home... feeding your kids...

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I can see what you're saying and yes I agree opportunity cost plays into it. Regardless of if you use the map or sell it, there is a cost there. To me the OP is choosing to use the 'product' instead of selling the map, saving up the money they would have gotten from said sale, and then buying the Blue Bird instead. It;s all about choices, work for it ourselves or pay someone else for the service. I got what you were saying, that was until the last comment. Now seeing you didn't quote anyone I'm not sure who you are speaking too, but if it's to the OP then I'm not sure if this last comment makes sense.

But over all, to anyone saying people should just buy the bluebird instead of going out and getting it. To me it is 6 of one and half dozen of another.:

If the OP wishes to earn something instead of spending their money, then the last part of the above quote doesn't make sense to me, but as I said they could have been speaking to another party. But regardless... They are wanting to work for it themselves, and not pay someone else to do it for them. So in sense, yes they are not getting the gil they would have got from selling the map, but they aren't wasting their gil either, only their time. Yes time does essentially cost money, but everything in life, be it paying someone else to do it, or doing it ourselves takes time.

Ex: If we change the oil in our car, or pay someone to do it we still have to use our time either way.
A) I do it myself, only spend money for the oil I need, then change the oil myself spending my time.
or
B) I take my time to drive it to someone, spend the money to have them to it while I spend time waiting, or drop it off and spend someone else's time to come get me and take me back, then go home.

Either way I have spent time and money, but one way might have been cheaper seeing either way I would have spent the time doing it. Its like Staris said, what is the opportunity cost... but what is it for playing this game period? Or for that matter, even posting here? The cost is other things we could be doing, going outside or hanging out with family/friends or going to see a movie etc...

But if people are willing to work and gain something themselves, instead of tossing away money, I don't see how that would equal someone who plays the lotto and doesn't take care of their kids. Which is why I am wondering if the above quote is speaking to someone else instead of the OP?

I, myself, am very much the same way in the game and in RL. If I can earn, or work towards obtaining something and I am more than capable of doing it, then why 'pay' someone else to do it? I'd rather spend time, knowing I earned it, than pay someone else for their work and be out the money. Now I can't do everything, so there will always be services I'll need, but in that case I feel it is required.

Like a person who doesn't have any crafts to 50 needs a crafter to help them, or they could just spend the gil and buy it. They have choices, and one might be more time consuming, but might save gil in the end.

Anyway... OP I know your frustration, I am still hunting for my Bluebird as well, seeing I refuse to buy it. But I think it will feel good when it finally drops and Iknow I earned it, plus the gil I'm making off the times I get! Best of luck, hope it drops soon! :)

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Originally Posted by Lemuria

RNG is flawed. The sooner everyone realizes this, the better the devs will get at designing meaningful content instead of soulless grinds.

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It's a fucking vanity minion. You don't *need* it. The whole point is that it's rare. If you really want it, buy it. But don't lament you aren't winning the lottery.

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Originally Posted by Taruranto

Then it's not RNG anymore.

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Atma, mirrors, map drops, primal mounts, almost everything in this game relies on RNG. RNG is old and should be abolished, sure make it so it takes a while for things to drop but make it something you grind and work towards rather than relying on luck for everything. Achievements are perfect as long as it's realistic, or make a fail safe where it will drop after doing it xxx amount of times but it can also drop before that set amount as well.

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Originally Posted by Leira_Raine

You think that's bad?

"Never Met a Corpse I Couldn't Rifle
Earn a cumulative total of 100,000,000 gil from defeating enemies.
Title Awarded:
Ruthless Gillionaire"

It's a Legacy achievement, and enemies gave you only 10 - 50ish gil each... only beastmen too (mind, I only had 50k gil by the end of that; nowhere near the goal). Anyway as for peisteskin, I know the feeling. Kept clearing them through with no luck on a bluebird (500ish including friends' maps). Someone managed to get one, however, but was really nice and traded me it since he didn't want it (at the cost of me trading tonberry minion though, oddly).

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lol

For quoting, you sure do miss this one I posted after that one:

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Originally Posted by BobbinT

at least the 100 million gil achievements from 1.0 are gone and archived now. So that should be a bit relieve. lol

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Originally Posted by XenoSamurai

Atma, mirrors, map drops, primal mounts, almost everything in this game relies on RNG in this game. RNG is old and should be abolished, sure make it so it takes a while for things to drop but make it something you grind and work towards rather than relying on luck for everything. Achievements are perfect as long as it's realistic, or make a fail safe where it will drop after doing it xxx amount of times but it can also drop before that set amount as well.

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RNG works pretty well in this case, it's not an item you need, it's a vanity item that only reason to exist is that it's rare. It's sought because of that. According to your logic, there would be no rare items in the game.

Heck, the fact that you can buy it's alone a "fail safe". You want it? You buy it. Don't want to buy it? Play the lottery game.

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Originally Posted by XenoSamurai

RNG is old and should be abolished, sure make it so it takes a while for things to drop but make it something you grind and work towards

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What MMO has no RNG, an how come you are not playing that then? If its so archaic an needs to be abolished, why dont you get to work on a game like that an let us know how it turns out. If the maps had no rng super rare drops, they would be worthless, nobody would do them, an there would be no point for the devs to have ever put them in. Ya lets all go back to the economy we had in 2.0-2.1 were u couldnt sell anything for more than 5k. That sounds like tons of fun... ><

I'm sorry, I shouldn't have said anything. I just came here to vent about not getting the stupid bird for 5 months of non stop grinding. Goodbye forums.

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Originally Posted by XenoSamurai

I'm sorry, I shouldn't have said anything. I just came here to vent about not getting the stupid bird for 5 months of non stop grinding. Goodbye forums.

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If i get another Xeno, I'll try to remember your game name and forward it to you. Good luck in the future.

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Originally Posted by Nel_Celestine

If i get another Xeno, I'll try to remember your game name and forward it to you. Good luck in the future.

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Thank you, but I shouldn't take something from you that is potentially worth 1.5 million or more from you.

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Originally Posted by XenoSamurai

Thank you, but I shouldn't take something from you that is potentially worth 1.5 million or more from you.

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If you don't take her help I'll table flip you!!

In a sea of pessimism.. You better stop being proud like that girl... >=T I just got blue after months but you know what I did? I gave it to someone who really wanted it.. Because -gasp- people kind enough to give away a rare intangible DO exist. Take all the help you can get and lower your pride.

Nobody wants RNG, nobody wants grinds, everyone wants rare stuff. No wonder SE doesn't pay attention to the forums.

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Originally Posted by TeaTimeBear

If you don't take her help I'll table flip you!!

In a sea of pessimism.. You better stop being proud like that girl... >=T I just got blue after months but you know what I did? I gave it to someone who really wanted it.. Because -gasp- people kind enough to give away a rare intangible DO exist. Take all the help you can get and lower your pride.

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I do want to say yes, but taking something worth millions from someone doesn't feel right. It's not about pride.

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Originally Posted by XenoSamurai

I do want to say yes, but taking something worth millions from someone doesn't feel right. It's not about pride.

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But she's willing to do it. It's not real money just take the help already god

@KaiKatzchen Say 150 maps cost the same as a bluebird minion, if doing the maps yourself means you will get it within 150 maps I'd agree with you, but it's not the case.

150 maps, do them yourself for a chance to the the minion.
150 maps, sell them and have a guaranteed chance to buy it from the market (unless they added an RNG to the marketboard).

Note again that this isn't a general suggestion, some people still like gambling and well, someone has to put those minions in the marketboard, but in OP's case, having wasted so many maps, I think it's time to consider a second option.

Xeno, don't ruin your gaming experience over this RNG crap, save money and move on, the feeling from getting it yourself wont be much different from getting enough gil to buy it directly and both will wear off right away. At least with these minions we have a choice, unlike primal vanity mounts.

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Originally Posted by TeaTimeBear

But she's willing to do it. It's not real money just take the help already god

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I'm surprised someone is actually getting mad at me about this. :O

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Originally Posted by Nel_Celestine

If i get another Xeno, I'll try to remember your game name and forward it to you. Good luck in the future.

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If you decide to give me a bird if you find one, I will accept it. Thank you very much Nel.

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Originally Posted by Alukah

but in OP's case, having wasted so many maps, I think it's time to consider a second option.

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The maps were not wasted, most of them were donated gil for FC housing, and I did make a lot of gil for my self in the process, but buying the bird would take half of my gil and that seems crazy for a minion.

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Originally Posted by XenoSamurai

It's not stupid just because I don't have one, it's stupid because I work on getting it for almost 5 months and don't get it yet other people get it right away or get more than one over and over, it should be equal for everyone, RNG should be balanced.

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But that IS what you're saying, you just don't want to admit it or don't realize it. RNG IS equal for everyone, the problem is you think the equality should be in GETTING the item, that's not what makes it equal, that would make it not rare. The equality is in the chance to get it. Every single map of that kind has the same chance to drop it.

As others have said, what you want is to not have RNG, but at that point you'd have to make some things extraordinarily difficult to obtain, but even then, the items would be far less rare then bluebird is. And it's important to have these rare items.

hmmm... sometimes I wonder why there are ppl who's relating MMO with online gambling games. There are gambling mini-games found within a game, but Gold Saucer hasn't been released yet. :p

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Originally Posted by ispano

But that IS what you're saying, you just don't want to admit it or don't realize it. RNG IS equal for everyone, the problem is you think the equality should be in GETTING the item, that's not what makes it equal, that would make it not rare. The equality is in the chance to get it. Every single map of that kind has the same chance to drop it.

As others have said, what you want is to not have RNG, but at that point you'd have to make some things extraordinarily difficult to obtain, but even then, the items would be far less rare then bluebird is. And it's important to have these rare items.

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Can we let this rest? I've already seen the errors of what I said, I understand the importance of RNG it's just annoying when the RNG gods pick people that will be forever unlucky. I was just venting about it.

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Originally Posted by XenoSamurai

I don't mind items being rare but this is ridiculous, almost 5 months of farming the maps and not one bird? I've never worked so hard for a Vanity item in any mmo, it's just getting stupid.

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Then you haven't played many MMOs with extremely low drop rate items. It took me 7 years to get a mount that I wanted in another MMO and that was from grinding the dungeon it dropped in an average of 6 times a day. Let me let you guys in on a little secret, it's not unfair. Unfair would be the drop rate being changed to accommodate people who don't know the difference between unfair and unlucky.

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Originally Posted by Baneus

Then you haven't played many MMOs with extremely low drop rate items. It took me 7 years to get a mount that I wanted in another MMO and that was from grinding the dungeon it dropped in an average of 6 times a day. Let me let you guys in on a little secret, it's not unfair. Unfair would be the drop rate being changed to accommodate people who don't know the difference between unfair and unlucky.

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You grinded the same dungeon 6 times a day for 7 years for a mount and didn't give up? That's just insane, what game was that?

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Originally Posted by XenoSamurai

You grinded the same dungeon 6 times a day for 7 years for a mount and didn't give up? That's just insane, what game was that?

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WoW. An average of 6 times a day. Some days I didn't hit it at all, some days I hit the 5 dungeon per hour limit several times. In the end I gave up. I transferred to another server to help a friend out with his lowbies and it dropped. RNG >:(

I've been doing maps with my FC every weekends. My bluebird drop this weekend:)

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Originally Posted by Alukah

@KaiKatzchen Say 150 maps cost the same as a bluebird minion, if doing the maps yourself means you will get it within 150 maps I'd agree with you, but it's not the case.

150 maps, do them yourself for a chance to the the minion.
150 maps, sell them and have a guaranteed chance to buy it from the market (unless they added an RNG to the marketboard).

Note again that this isn't a general suggestion, some people still like gambling and well, someone has to put those minions in the marketboard, but in OP's case, having wasted so many maps, I think it's time to consider a second option.

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But is it truly a pure waste? If the maps were bluebird or nothing I'd agree. But you get gil and other items that can be used or sold, I've made more off the items I got off the map than what I would have got for the map.

But as you said some people like to gamble and/or earn it themselves. Nothing wrong with that. :)

Friend and I got 3 in the last 30 days

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Originally Posted by Baneus

...Let me let you guys in on a little secret, it's not unfair. Unfair would be the drop rate being changed to accommodate people who don't know the difference between unfair and unlucky.

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This!

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Originally Posted by XenoSamurai

...it's just getting stupid.

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If you choose to farm a super rare item, please do not come to the forums and complain about the super low droprate.
THAT'S stupid.
It is RNG. Deal with it or stop farming.

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Originally Posted by Mishari

If you choose to farm a super rare item...

It is RNG. Deal with it or stop farming.

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Again, farm and gambling are totally two different things you know? :p

Reiterate clearly what you going to say. You will get something from farming despite the quantity, gambling doesn't.

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Originally Posted by BobbinT

Again, farm and gambling are totally two different things you know? :p

Reiterate clearly what you going to say. You will get something from farming despite the quantity, gambling doesn't.

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Ok i will correct the wording but it does not change the meaning of my statement:
"If you choose to gamble on a super rare item, please do not come to the forums and complain about the super low droprate.
It is RNG. Deal with it or stop gambling."

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Originally Posted by BobbinT

Took me several peisteskin maps to get my blue bird. Even saw several drops of them during my 2.2 TH parties.

On the other hand... the Tiny Bulb from boarskin took me around 6 months till I finally got one. :p

RNG s da beatch! lol

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Haha I still havent seen any of the rare ones (tonberry, bluebird, opoopo) but I got the tinu bulb from my first map

Bought mine off the marketboard for 555k :p Right before the prices went crazy :)
Still, it's a very Very rare minion so I don't think 2 mil is a high price to pay..

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Originally Posted by Kiara1

Haha I still havent seen any of the rare ones (tonberry, bluebird, opoopo) but I got the tinu bulb from my first map

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lol guess I'm still luckier than you. Got bluebird/tonberry on few maps only. Opo2x's from brayflox HM btw, and I still haven't got any luck with it. Too bad, my unicorn set hunting from primal X are way much worse. Stopped for now since I already have so many Rowena letters to get the whole set. ^^;

On similar related note, I have only got 2 unhidden maps so far out of dozens of regular maps. And with another special minion came out from it, we all can expect the gamble will be much more asinine than before. lol

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Originally Posted by R1dder

Bought mine off the marketboard for 555k :p Right before the prices went crazy :)
Still, it's a very Very rare minion so I don't think 2 mil is a high price to pay..

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oh wow! I don't remember seeing it so expensive on my server's market. Haven't checked for long time tho. lol

And now with majority player too cooped up with hunts, can except interest doing peisteskin maps way much worse. ^^;