Allow us to buy Sands of Time with Soldiery

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Originally Posted by Senfei

Hunts are so easy to do and the barrier to entry is imaginary. Make your own Hunt LS, goto hunts, invite players. Make a PF, invite everyone in the PT to it. People will accept. Soon, you will have a network of people helping you find hunting targets. You may not like the system, thats fine. Just seriously, answer the question. If this content is so bad, what would you want to give allied seals? You offered nothing except some offhand remark about how i'm probably elitist.

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Next you will say i need to change server...
I am getting sick of such arguments, because hunts are not broken on your server it doesnt mean its working on others!
STOP giving any seals from hunts, that will fix it and we will see who is really enjoying it and who just have a big mouth...
You should not ask yourself if the content is so bad, you should ask yourself WHY you are doing it?

S Rank down in less than 1 Minute, maybe i stream it... you will not believe how many players actually gather even when instant pulling... its just ridicules!
Telling us "all is fine with the content" is like a slap in the face...

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Originally Posted by Senfei

Unfortunately no, I wasn't. I actually really like that aspect of the game, that casual players can obtain high lvl gear with relative ease even if it is not "the best". Thats probably because I don't even do coil myself. You see, my point was that you have two distinct options, both very different, to obtain these items. One is super casual, one is much more hardcore in terms of playstyle and effort. I am having serious issues grasping how people are sitting here whining day and night about hunts when the system is honestly -not that bad-. People cried for open world content basically since the release of the game, and somewhere in there they forgot that open world content meant everyone can participate (and would, if it is was worth doing).

Hunts are so easy todo and the barrier to entry is imaginary. Make your own Hunt LS, goto hunts, invite players. Make a PF, invite everyone in the PT to it. People will accept. Soon, you will have a network of people helping you find hunting targets. You may not like the system, thats fine. Just seriously, answer the question. If this content is so bad, what would you want to give allied seals? You offered nothing except some offhand remark about how i'm probably elitist.

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The point is that Coil isn't even qualified to be an option when, even if you actually have a job and can't afford to sit on your ass for 4-5 hours a day, hunts are still more effective in the same time span. They're more effective in a shorter time span too.
It's not an option when there's no reason to pursue it.

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Originally Posted by Purplenum

You're not doing much to help your own argument.

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I see no counter-argument presented.

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Originally Posted by Mjytresz

The point is that Coil isn't even qualified to be an option when, even if you actually have a job and can't afford to sit on your ass for 4-5 hours a day, hunts are still more effective in the same time span. They're more effective in a shorter time span too.
It's not an option when there's no reason to pursue it.



I see no counter-argument presented.

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Coil has 115 Weapons...

Also has 110 non soldiery gear you can wear so you don't look like a bad player. When I see people in full soldiery gear it screams scrub.

Seems like a plenty qualified option to me.

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Originally Posted by Merylx

You are so lazy. I can't even... just WOW

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Not wanting to wander a zone killing hunt mobs does not equal lazy. 375 soldiery tomes is a bit low (I'd suggest something like 500+), but let's not pretend things aren't bottlenecked at hunts, especially since sands cannot be obtained from ST yet.

All of these posts are so funny, arguing about 110 gear you could have gotten months ago if only you just did ScoB. This is what happens when you wait for the handout gear.

Why do you need 110 gear anyway if you don't do coil? I highly doubt you'll be using all that token gear in new coils considering 95% of you haven't cleared t9 yet, and won't have access to it.

You want the hand out gear? do the hunts. Stop asking for it to be even easier.

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Originally Posted by Mjytresz

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You never presented an counter-argument for me to counter, but thanks for the ad hominem anyways.

I'll humor your attempt anyways so allow me to first reiterate a point I previously brought up before going on: SE is making gear more readily available now that it's going to be deprecated once again within the next two months. Think back when the game started when the weekly myth cap was 300 and the highest item level was 90 (with the exception of the allagan weapons at i95) for a while that's the highest gear there was. In 2.1 they raised the myth cap to 450 I believe, and eventually took it off entirely. Why did they do this? To make myth gear more readily available. Then in 2.2 they made T1-5 farmable. Why would they do this? It's the same answer. Old gear was becoming deprecated and with the new gear coming in there was no point in keeping restrictions on the older loot. That's exactly what they are doing now.

This is hilarious.

People complain that hunts are choking out the dungeon aspect of the game yet be damned if they allowed sands to come from Soldiery.

Personally I see no reason why sands aren't buyable with soldiery, especially since they are available with hunts.

2.2 had it right by limiting sands and oil to Second Coil.
Hopefully 2.4 does the same thing, but doesn't back down like 2.3 did.

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Originally Posted by CeeTwo

Coil has 115 Weapons...

Also has 110 non soldiery gear you can wear so you don't look like a bad player. When I see people in full soldiery gear it screams scrub.

Seems like a plenty qualified option to me.

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This makes no sense, all soldiery gear is is alternate stats, the fact is they can still clear the same content as your high allagan geared people just slightly slower. gear does not equal skill. and tbh unless you are doing coil only being fully geared in high allagan does not make you kings of FFXIV, this is just typical elitism attitude with that comment.

Futhermore, how does someone look like a "bad player" being in the same ilvl gear just from a different source, You make no sense. so the LOOK of gear makes you a bad player now? what.

Sands of Time for 2000 Soldiery, why not

People are complaining that paying roughly 400 sol is a bad thing? You can only get 450 a week. So you'll only be able to purchase one sands-of-time with it. Opposed to the no limit of daily grinding hunts via allied seals?

Or did I get the reasoning wrong on why people think it's a bad thing? /confused

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Originally Posted by Volcano

You make no sense. so the LOOK of gear makes you a bad player now? what.

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It makes perfect sense. Coil takes skill, hunts doesn't. Somebody in full Soldiery gear speaks lack of skill, because every single job utilises Coil gear for their 'best in slot' builds. By implication choosing to use full hunts gear either makes you bad at knowing what's good for your job, or somebody who doesn't do Coil... And you're not doing Coil because there's a high chance you're not good enough (In this case, you means everyone in full soldiery gear, not you in particular.)

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Originally Posted by Volcano

gear does not equal skill

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You are right, it doesn't. But somebody who does Coil probably has more of it than somebody who doesn't. You can present all manner of excuses for not doing Coil you like, you're not good at it or capable of beating it unless you actually do it.

Not Sands but something to spend soldiery on. Mats maybe.

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Originally Posted by Volcano

This makes no sense, all soldiery gear is is alternate stats, the fact is they can still clear the same content as your high allagan geared people just slightly slower. gear does not equal skill. and tbh unless you are doing coil only being fully geared in high allagan does not make you kings of FFXIV, this is just typical elitism attitude with that comment.

Futhermore, how does someone look like a "bad player" being in the same ilvl gear just from a different source, You make no sense. so the LOOK of gear makes you a bad player now? what.

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Slightly slower lol? Try over 6 months... people are STILL needing T5 wins lolol.

I cleared ScoB in i95 lol... How do you think we got the gear.

Furthermore lol... Wearing ONLY vendor gear shows you grinded skilless content, even though you need to mix both for BiS, it's clear a person with 0 High Allagan gear at this point in the patch progression is not an amazing raider.

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Originally Posted by SeleneVenizelos

Somebody in full Soldiery gear speaks lack of skill, because every single job utilises Coil gear for their 'best in slot' builds

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I agree with this to a certain extend. It definitely looks fishy when I see people in 110 gear, all soldiery. It has no guarentee this person did Coil or even EX primals which for now is our endgame. When someone has a few Coil pieces, by now everyone knows what drops where for every job, you know someone has at least some endgame experience.

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Originally Posted by SeleneVenizelos

It makes perfect sense. Coil takes skill, hunts doesn't. Somebody in full Soldiery gear speaks lack of skill, because every single job utilises Coil gear for their 'best in slot' builds. By implication choosing to use full hunts gear either makes you bad at knowing what's good for your job, or somebody who doesn't do Coil... And you're not doing Coil because there's a high chance you're not good enough (In this case, you means everyone in full soldiery gear, not you in particular.)



You are right, it doesn't. But somebody who does Coil probably has more of it than somebody who doesn't. You can present all manner of excuses for not doing Coil you like, you're not good at it or capable of beating it unless you actually do it.

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Then it may boggle the mind that someone may actually be good at coil but still chooses not to do it due to not thinking it's worth the effort, or in some cases simply does not have a competent group to do it with, Coil is mainly group coordination and seeing how well people work together it's not singled out to one person.

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Originally Posted by Viridiana

Was 2.0-2.2 really so bad when i90 gear was available straight from Rowena?

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Everyone wants to be a special snowflake for eternity!

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Originally Posted by Volcano

Then it may boggle the mind that someone may actually be good at coil but still chooses not to do it due to not thinking it's worth the effort, or in some cases simply does not have a competent group to do it with, Coil is mainly group coordination and seeing how well people work together it's not singled out to one person.

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I've don't climb the Empire State building, but I'm pretty good at it! I just choose not to do it.

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Originally Posted by Volcano

Then it may boggle the mind that someone may actually be good at coil but still chooses not to do it due to not thinking it's worth the effort, or in some cases simply does not have a competent group to do it with, Coil is mainly group coordination and seeing how well people work together it's not singled out to one person.

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Coil is not mainly group coordination lol...

It's by far mainly skill, one person can wipe the entire raid with a singular mistake.

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Originally Posted by CeeTwo

it's clear a person with 0 High Allagan gear at this point in the patch progression is not an amazing raider.

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Or accidentally urinated in RNGesus's Cheerios!

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Originally Posted by SeleneVenizelos

I've don't climb the Empire State building, but I'm pretty good at it! I just choose not to do it.

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Nice try, but you'll just have to accept people have their own opinions and consider certain things not worth the effort, this isn't a : i can blow up the world, i just choose not to" card that you tried to do. it is simply a difference of opinion. Here, i'll give you one.

Friend of mine i started the game with was beating beating turn 1-5 before patch 2.1, when we got back to the game i asked is he going to do the turn 6-9 he said probably not, because at the moment it's not worth the stress of trying to find a group again due to hunts and other means of side grade gear, he is a very good player, he choose NOT to bother coil. quite a shock knowing people REALLY DON'T think somethings are worth the effort, eh?

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Originally Posted by Volcano

Nice try, but you'll just have to accept people have their own opinions and consider certain things not worth the effort, this isn't a : i can blow up the world, i just choose not to" card that you tried to do. it is simply a difference of opinion. Here, i'll give you one.

Friend of mine i started the game with was beating beating turn 1-5 before patch 2.1, when we got back to the game i asked is he going to do the turn 6-9 he said probably not, because at the moment it's not worth the stress of trying to find a group again due to hunts and other means of side grade gear, he is a very good player, he choose NOT to bother coil. quite a shock knowing people REALLY DON'T think somethings are worth the effort, eh?

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Keep telling yourself w/e you have to I guess lol...

Checked your lodestone, what a surprise, 0 turns cleared in ScoB

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Originally Posted by Volcano

Nice try, but you'll just have to accept people have their own opinions and consider certain things not worth the effort, this isn't a : i can blow up the world, i just choose not to" card that you tried to do. it is simply a difference of opinion. Here, i'll give you one.

Friend of mine i started the game with was beating beating turn 1-5 before patch 2.1, when we got back to the game i asked is he going to do the turn 6-9 he said probably not, because at the moment it's not worth the stress of trying to find a group again due to hunts and other means of side grade gear, he is a very good player, he choose NOT to bother coil. quite a shock knowing people REALLY DON'T think somethings are worth the effort, eh?

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No, it's you saying somebody's excellent point made no sense because you disagreed with it. It's a bit rich for you to now play the opinions card.

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Originally Posted by SeleneVenizelos

No, it's you saying somebody's excellent point made no sense because you disagreed with it. It's a bit rich for you to now play the opinions card.

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I know right lol?

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Originally Posted by Mjytresz

The point is that Coil isn't even qualified to be an option when, even if you actually have a job and can't afford to sit on your ass for 4-5 hours a day, hunts are still more effective in the same time span. They're more effective in a shorter time span too.
It's not an option when there's no reason to pursue it.

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So sands/oil are the only thing that drops from Coil and high allagan gear (shady internet sources say also ilvl110) is not a thing. Okay, sure, absolutely -no- reason to do Coil for i110 gear as opposed to Hunts because Sands/Oils are the only thing that come out of Coil and it has lockouts/requires more effort. Got it. Spot on.

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Originally Posted by Senfei

So sands/oil are the only thing that drops from Coil and high allagan gear (shady internet sources say also ilvl110) is not a thing. Okay, sure, absolutely -no- reason to do Coil for i110 gear as opposed to Hunts because Sands/Oils are the only thing that come out of Coil and it has lockouts/requires more effort. Got it. Spot on.

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Not to mention 115 weapons.

But shhh don't tell the casuals they exist, they don't want to believe it's true!

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Originally Posted by Errors

People are complaining that paying roughly 400 sol is a bad thing? You can only get 450 a week. So you'll only be able to purchase one sands-of-time with it. Opposed to the no limit of daily grinding hunts via allied seals?

Or did I get the reasoning wrong on why people think it's a bad thing? /confused

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You would get 2 sands weekly (ST will also drop sands soon)
Best would be for 2000 soldiery. 1 sand weekly from ST and 1 sand monthly from soldiery.

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Originally Posted by CeeTwo

Keep telling yourself w/e you have to I guess lol...

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You are simply an elitist one of those "dudez, i am one of th ebest of the best and you suck lololololol kids" so responding to you simply is not worth the hassle.

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Slightly slower lol? Try over 6 months... people are STILL needing T5 wins lolol.

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People STILL need HM primal wins, and people are STILL need MAIN STORY wins, your point?

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I cleared ScoB in i95 lol... How do you think we got the gear.

Furthermore lol... Wearing ONLY vendor gear shows you grinded skilless content, even though you need to mix both for BiS, it's clear a person with 0 High Allagan gear at this point in the patch progression is not an amazing raider.

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Well seeing as you add "lol" to everything it's hard to take you serious, i honestly do not know what i can respond to this....blind elitism here, so i'll just leave you with what you gave me as all mindless internet drones give when they lack logical thinking

Keep telling yourself that.

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No, it's you saying somebody's excellent point made no sense because you disagreed with it. It's a bit rich for you to now play the opinions card.

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Well it wasn't an excellent point, but by that being YOUR opinion, you try to "counter" me with one of your own? by playing the opinion card your self.

Because it's worth stating again; you can already get Soldiery from Hunts. It is highly unlikely they will remove Sands as a purchasable item. I see no logical reason why not allow it to be buyable with Soldiery.

If done, people can, if they choose to, run dungeons again instead of going against, or being a part of, the horde. Dungeon queues come back down, and the forums find a new "FFXIV is ruined forever!" topic.

@Volcano

My point is why do you care what gear you have when you don't even attempt the only challenging content LOL.

And yes I'm better than you because I've cleared all content, it's okay... It's not the end of the world, it's a videogame.

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Originally Posted by Volcano

You are simply an elitist one of those "dudez, i am one of th ebest of the best and you suck lololololol kids" so responding to you simply is not worth the hassle.

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My word you are a hypocrite. The only person here doing any name calling or talking down remotely close to your example is you!

Also.

What's wrong with being elitist?

The only people who have can't stand elitists are those who aren't elite. This goes for real life as well.

And my final contribution before sleeping:

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Originally Posted by Wolf_Gang

Maybe like 375 Sol for one? Got nothing else to use it for really. Hate having to be forced to spend it because of cap.

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The cap that somebody put in yo' ass for not spending your soldiery? I'm failing to see why you're either forced to spend it or even cap it if you don't need any of the gear. You can bet if I only had one job at 50 I wouldn't bother capping soldiery anymore. I mean, really. You don't have to do it! Nobody is forcing you! :(

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Originally Posted by SeleneVenizelos

My word you are a hypocrite. The only person here doing any name calling or talking down remotely close to your example is you!

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Wrong, Blindly defending someone just makes you the hypocrite, it's about as sad as the above guy who threw the cliche butthurt card when there is nothing to even be butthurt about, simply a case of "i want attention" in both your cases.

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Also.

What's wrong with being elitist?

The only people who have can't stand elitists are those who aren't elite. This goes for real life as well.

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There is nothing WRONG with being elitist, in YOUR case, however, elitism is a bad staple for people who think they are better then everyone else, no one can ever be better then then and even someone in 3 less stats gear sucks and is a "scrub" you know, what word you used.

Elite means the best of, but online gaming wise it has a bad name. by what i just stated above, i am sorry that confused you, i can't stand them because i do not like people talking down to others simply because they don't have the same gear or simply do not play the way they approve of, this was a serious problem in ffxi for example.

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Originally Posted by CeeTwo

Also.

What's wrong with being elitist?

The only people who have can't stand elitists are those who aren't elite. This goes for real life as well.

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You guys hear that?

I think i hear scrub-cano prepping the excuse machine.

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Originally Posted by Volcano

Wrong, Blindly defending someone just makes you the hypocrite, it's about as sad as the above guy who threw the cliche buuthrt card when there is nothing to even be butthurt about, simply a case of "i want attention" in both your cases.

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I'm really sorry I disagreed with you, please get over it.

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Originally Posted by Volcano

Wrong, Blindly defending someone just makes you the hypocrite, it's about as sad as the above guy who threw the cliche buuthrt card when there is nothing to even be butthurt about, simply a case of "i want attention" in both your cases.

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In your blind rage you're starting to typo like crazy.
BTW I'm PROUD TO BE
http://blog.entrepreneurthearts.com/...10/elitist.jpg

The system is already broken enough with hunts.

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Originally Posted by SeleneVenizelos

I'm really sorry I disagreed with you, please get over it.

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People disagree with me all the time, why on earth are you sorry for that? you do realize i am not mad or anything, right? you are trying just a little to hard, calm it down.

Obviously i see what you are trying to do but i am sorry, there are no brownie points for you here.

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In your blind rage you're starting to typo like crazy.
BTW I'm PROUD TO BE

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See what i mean? you don't think very clearly, as there is nothing to be mad about, what exactly do i need to be mad about? and from what i stated in my edited post above it's clear you are proud to be like that, no question there. bask in it. as for my typos they happen due to an...issue with these forums, but like most defeated people or simply people who have no way to counter with reasoning and logic they tend to point out grammar flaws as a last resort.

I would agree with this but the cost would have to be something like 1500 soldiery each. And oils for 1000 or something.