Hunts are FIXED now. Thank you SE.

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Originally Posted by Kiara1

Thanks for not changing hunts! I love the hunts the way it is and if you listened to those silly people saying hunts suck, hunt would probably get really boring.

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... you mean to say they're not boring now? I have more fun spiritbinding off of low level mobs that I aoe pull than running around aimlessly with a group looking for an elite that will die just as fast. Neither offers any sense of difficulty and are essentially no different in how you treat them. Killing an elite is like winning on a slot machine. If you constantly win, you start to not give a damn.

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Originally Posted by Kiara1

Thanks for not changing hunts! I love the hunts the way it is and if you listened to those silly people saying hunts suck, hunt would probably get really boring.

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http://fc03.deviantart.net/fs70/i/20...ou-d6uh5ce.jpg

So not going to see more Ramuh and second coil pf until 2.4. :/

Well... the best is, that this isnt a fix, its just a cheap workaround because they could not fix the issue with the RNG they just made shure it doesnt happen twice in a row! Having a true RNG it is possible to happen twice in a row, but the default one SE seems to use is not a "true" RNG...

Here a simple example of the difference (visual):
http://boallen.com/assets/images/randbitmap_true.pngwith random.org
http://boallen.com/assets/images/ran...p_computer.pngwith rand()

original, read yourself

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Originally Posted by Welsper59

... you mean to say they're not boring now? I have more fun spiritbinding off of low level mobs that I aoe pull than running around aimlessly with a group looking for an elite that will die just as fast. Neither offers any sense of difficulty and are essentially no different in how you treat them. Killing an elite is like winning on a slot machine. If you constantly win, you start to not give a damn.

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I tend to roam the world looking for beautiful views and weird stuff to take fun/cute/nice screenshots. And now I can do that AND look for hunts at the same time.
So yeah it's one of the things I enjoy the most in the game.

Edit: But then again I'm one of the few persons who seem to enjoy atma farming too...

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Originally Posted by Yukiko

Well... the best is, that this isnt a fix, its just a cheap workaround because they could not fix the issue with the RNG they just made shure it doesnt happen twice in a row! Having a true RNG it is possible to happen twice in a row, but the default one SE seems to use is not a "true" RNG...

Here a simple example of the difference (visual):
http://boallen.com/assets/images/randbitmap_true.pngwith random.org
http://boallen.com/assets/images/ran...p_computer.pngwith rand()

original, read yourself

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Someone didn't read the dev post about random numbers I believe...

How do you figure that they're not using a real PRNG anyway? Do you want same elite mark weekly twice or more in a row? It happened already and they added code to make sure it's not the same two weeks in a row...

Do you think 3 weekly elite marks is enough to draw conclusions about the nature of the RNG used?
2 Naul, 1 Myradrosh


http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...34#post2310334
If you want to argue random numbers, go to that thread...

Regardless of what kind of RNG you use, you CAN get 3 fails in a row at 99%, and 3 HQ's in a row at 1%.
RNG is RNG...

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Originally Posted by Yukiko

Well... the best is, that this isnt a fix, its just a cheap workaround because they could not fix the issue with the RNG they just made shure it doesnt happen twice in a row! Having a true RNG it is possible to happen twice in a row, but the default one SE seems to use is not a "true" RNG...

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What's questionable is that they DID say that the RNG system for the weekly hunt was working as intended after we got 2 Nauls... preventative and/or coverup theories go wild!

Hell, I don't even mind the maintenance, really. It's just that they have to know by now that hunts are borked. They then say they're going to "be making adjustments", getting people's hopes up, then have it turn out to be next to nothing. The fact they had this fission mailed on my day off was just the cherry on top.

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Originally Posted by Kiara1

I tend to roam the world looking for beautiful views and weird stuff to take fun/cute/nice screenshots. And now I can do that AND look for hunts at the same time.
So yeah it's one of the things I enjoy the most in the game.

Edit: But then again I'm one of the few persons who seem to enjoy atma farming too...

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I wonder if you would enjoy it if you could not reach the mobs at all

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/150...537/INFi9w.jpg
I'll be in the angry dome.

Actually, they should add one of these to F.C houses.

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Originally Posted by Nekodar

(..) real PRNG (..)

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That you have to explain, either it is a TRNG or it is a PRNG, there is nothing in between!
While it is true, that you can create a TRNG when using a PRNG as basis code, but the output then is a TRNG number.

Edit: They are using the same RNG for everything ingame!
Crafts 98% - 3 fails in a row
Dungeons - the same drops in a row
Getting the same leves again and again...
Many examples!

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Originally Posted by Ailish_Chibi

I wonder if you would enjoy it if you could not reach the mobs at all

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If I hunt during prime time I miss a lot of mobs, and I don't care really, sure it can be annoying to get to a mob and see it die in front of your eyes, but other than that I don't mind.
It's not like I'm in a hurry to kill all the hunts that ever spawns

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Originally Posted by Kiara1

I tend to roam the world looking for beautiful views and weird stuff to take fun/cute/nice screenshots. And now I can do that AND look for hunts at the same time.
So yeah it's one of the things I enjoy the most in the game.

Edit: But then again I'm one of the few persons who seem to enjoy atma farming too...

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Good luck with roaming the world and taking nice screenshots, and getting to the marks in time before they're dead. This does not compute, unless you're doing this while the horde is not there, but then you're missing the point of some of the posters here.

All I know is I loved camping nm's in ffxi. I tried a hunt in ffxiv once, and quickly found out I hated um.

Why? 1. Ease of getting to um.
2. Free for all, no target lock

Those 2 things have caused hunts to be zerged by 100+ people compared to around 8-10 people for NM's back In ffxi.

Peaple are literally spread all over Eorzea, and all that's needed is for 1 person to say its up and <pos> 1 minute later, will have over 100 people there :(

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Originally Posted by Kiara1

I tend to roam the world looking for beautiful views and weird stuff to take fun/cute/nice screenshots. And now I can do that AND look for hunts at the same time.
So yeah it's one of the things I enjoy the most in the game.

Edit: But then again I'm one of the few persons who seem to enjoy atma farming too...

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I actually like the Atma farming aspect as well, as it's one of the very few true grinding MMORPG traditions left in the game. I can certainly agree with the aspect of coming across the hunt elites as being an awesome and fun experience... but only when it's done properly. I'd wager that a majority of the player base don't even know what at least 5 of the elites have for special abilities (or at least don't understand what they do or have not experienced them first-hand).

When you have half/most of the server showing up to simply kill a B rank 9/10 times, or the entire server showing up for an A and S rank, it kinda kills the whole fun aspect of it after the first few times. If you prefer this facerolling zerg-fest aspect of the hunt, instead of the intended way of fighting them and getting through their mechanics, then I guess you really would love the way it is now. I'm fairly confident that the majority of the playerbase is not with you on that one, if so.

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Originally Posted by Kiara1

Thanks for not changing hunts! I love the hunts the way it is and if you listened to those silly people saying hunts suck, hunt would probably get really boring.

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All i want is, S Ranks not disappearing anymore >.<

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Originally Posted by Ailish_Chibi

I wonder if you would enjoy it if you could not reach the mobs at all

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That's a completely different experience.

Actually not being able to see the content must be so far below her/him...

I rarely post in the forums, but when I do I make it worthwhile.

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Thanks for making this decision much easier for me and my friends SE. Truly, it's appreciated.

[/QUOTE]Yeah I could go and get a radar or w-e those Hunters use to get points but I don't want to cheat in game.
Though SE is like forcing people to do so apparently.[/QUOTE]

Most the people that are accused of cheating actually record the kill times and know when to be back in the area for the re-spawn. This is learning the mechanic properly, not cheating.

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Originally Posted by Kiara1

If I hunt during prime time I miss a lot of mobs, and I don't care really, sure it can be annoying to get to a mob and see it die in front of your eyes, but other than that I don't mind.
It's not like I'm in a hurry to kill all the hunts that ever spawns

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I think the bigger issue that many people have (ignoring the clusterf*** of a rewards system), is that people shouldn't have to be playing during off-peak hours to enjoy content provided by the game.

Yeah, I know people are enjoying it during peak hours as well; but, I feel like it should be something that anyone should be capable of enjoying at any given time.

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Originally Posted by Merylx

Is anyone hoping for a ninja nerf? Or is it unlikely?

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Omg ninja isn't even out yet! :P

Really though I hope they increased the daily marks or... something... anything other than just this. 0n0

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Originally Posted by ShinkuTachi

I think the bigger issue that many people have (ignoring the clusterf*** of a rewards system), is that people shouldn't have to be playing during off-peak hours to enjoy content provided by the game.

Yeah, I know people are enjoying it during peak hours as well; but, I feel like it should be something that anyone should be capable of enjoying at any given time.

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If frontlines will scale down if not enough people are playing, I can't imagine it's any harder to scale hunts to how many people are fighting a single spawn...

was there always an allied seal cap or no? I can't remember but it says XXX/4000 now so maybe? but even then thats a huge cap more than myth...

edit: ah okay looked at my old screenies and nm nothing changed... this is sad and didn't fix anything.... -.- so doubt I will be doing much more of hunts then the occasional random be in right place at right time hunts.... ugh

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Originally Posted by Merylx

Is anyone hoping for a ninja nerf? Or is it unlikely?

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Considering Ninja won't even be in the game until 2.4 I'd say it's unlikely. Why nerf it already?

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Originally Posted by Welsper59

I actually like the Atma farming aspect as well, as it's one of the very few true grinding MMORPG traditions left in the game. I can certainly agree with the aspect of coming across the hunt elites as being an awesome and fun experience... but only when it's done properly. I'd wager that a majority of the player base don't even know what at least 5 of the elites have for special abilities (or at least don't understand what they do or have not experienced them first-hand).

When you have half/most of the server showing up to simply kill a B rank 9/10 times, or the entire server showing up for an A and S rank, it kinda kills the whole fun aspect of it after the first few times. If you prefer this facerolling zerg-fest aspect of the hunt, instead of the intended way of fighting them and getting through their mechanics, then I guess you really would love the way it is now. I'm fairly confident that the majority of the playerbase is not with you on that one, if so.

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Where in the world would I have time to look at the abilities of the elites? I have arguably the most important job in that of my party..healing the invisible hp of my party members when they are already full. I have a complex rotation to execute, and if I screw up in any way or form I risk the ire of my party for not getting the full credit for seals. Its an incredibly complex rotation and it goes like this

Divine seal -> Swiftcast--> Medica 2-->Presence of Mind-->Medica-->Medica-->Medica-->......

Some elites, even S rank, have a special flickering ability that makes them disappear from your screen but I can still continue this rotation. After the mark dies and we get full credit, I get an awesome fuzzy feeling inside and I feel like I have accomplished something important!

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Originally Posted by AktaionQ

Most the people that are accused of cheating actually record the kill times and know when to be back in the area for the re-spawn. This is learning the mechanic properly, not cheating.

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Uhuu sure! And the monster names and positions showing on their maps is also a proper mechanic.
Also having a program tell you when you're near the monster is also proper mechanic.

I've saw screenshots and I've been in many Hunt patys to kinda get a feel that not so many actually only use the available mechanics without any 3rd programs.

Anyways with this "patch" the poor will stay poor and the rich will get richer.
All I've wanted was to see this daily hunt mark increase... "Sigh"

So now I finally got weekly done and now I know whats wrong with weeklies. No wonder its difficult to get weeklies and no wonder why you have farming hordes. "Stares at SE".

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Originally Posted by MliorFreyjr

I rarely post in the forums, but when I do I make it worthwhile.

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Thanks for making this decision much easier for me and my friends SE. Truly, it's appreciated.

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vote with your wallet is the only way.

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Most the people that are accused of cheating actually record the kill times and know when to be back in the area for the re-spawn. This is learning the mechanic properly, not cheating.

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Our hunt group used this site: http://thehunt.tk/sessions.php for said purpose. Also remembering all possible spawnpoints for marks makes scouting alot more easier than running maps aimlessly, and when one of your group members find a mark post pos only in party/FC chat and pull soon as last member is near the mark because there is high propability that someone else will arrive on that same spot sooner or later and brings the horde along them. Oh and make sure your group has a tank to secure threat on it so nobody can reset it if and when that zerg arrives. This whole hunting thing requires alot of time if you want to get alot of seals everyday so if you only plan to do hunts for few hours your only option sadly is to join big hunt LS and leech off from it instead doing with your 8man party.

So what this states to me with the amount of anti atma feedback and negative feedback towards hubts is that Yoshi doesn't listen to feedback from users. He just goes with a belief that if people are using those systems in great numbers then it's not broken. I disagree but kinda got to the stage where I know these things will never change so I'll just keep playing the way I like and put up with long queues.

I dont care what the heck they do to hunts. Nerf it for all I care, but for the love of god atleast fix the display priorities so it doesn't disappear to the void when a million people show up.

HAHAHAHA! This is wonderfully hilarious, I cannot WAIT to see people's reactions to this over the course of the day! Absolutely wonderful!

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So what this states to me with the amount of anti atma feedback and negative feedback towards hubts is that Yoshi doesn't listen to feedback from users. He just goes with a belief that if people are using those systems in great numbers then it's not broken. I disagree but kinda got to the stage where I know these things will never change so I'll just keep playing the way I like and put up with long queues.

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I'm glad the developers arent listening to us anymore. We all know what's going to happen if we keep complaining about something, they'll change it/ruin it, and then no one would be happy. Atleast this way a minority is pissed off instead of everyone.

I just wish they would communicate more. Even if they disagree with those shouting loudest on the forum (as there is no real way to tell if these are a minority of players or a majority). Just a quick thing to say yes we understand you think abc but we disagree because of abc and so will not be implementing any changes. I really do understand that frequently the people shouting the loudest are not the ones with the best solution.

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Originally Posted by Kaskel2000

So what this states to me with the amount of anti atma feedback and negative feedback towards hubts is that Yoshi doesn't listen to feedback from users. He just goes with a belief that if people are using those systems in great numbers then it's not broken. I disagree but kinda got to the stage where I know these things will never change so I'll just keep playing the way I like and put up with long queues.

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Forum feedback tends to take a backseat to user data, unless it comes to bug issues.

I came here hungry for info about Hunts being nerfed but..

I LOL!!!!!!

All those dabates bout SE capping seals by 200...one S rank per week blablablala.

LOL...not even mob priority they've fixed!!!!

didnt they fix the weekly hunt mark last week so that you don't get the same weekly hunt mark???? why fix it again this maintenance... on wait nvm... not like adding some hp => the ratio of players at the battle like fates of fixing rendering priority was more important lol.... really if you want to fix the weekly rank marks make it random per player not same server wide for every GC mark LMAO

Alot of SE's decisions have burned me since 2.2. This may be the straw that breaks the camel's back.

Really nice SE. Thanks, this was necessary! Naul is boring and I like to do other Mobs on PS3!!!

Considering they specifically said they were going to be making this change, and this is essentially the only change they've mentioned outside of buffing daily marks as far as I know, I don't understand how everyone is so surprised at this.

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Originally Posted by Kaskel2000

I just wish they would communicate more. Even if they disagree with those shouting loudest on the forum (as there is no real way to tell if these are a minority of players or a majority). Just a quick thing to say yes we understand you think abc but we disagree because of abc and so will not be implementing any changes.

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I completely agree with this statement. Having some more feedback from the community rep and/or developers on what plans are being made would help alleviate a lot of the tension that boil up on the forums.

Everyone sounds like a bunch of Negative Nancies. They actually do make a change that benefits us but people stomp arond with their arms folded over their chest and a scowl on their face, demanding more.

Maybe the update they put in place today was something that they could address immediately with little changes involved and anything else required for hunts needs more of an actual patch?