Worthless effort

Yesterday, I had 2 failed infusion on Materia IV.... T_T" my hard earn gil.......

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Originally Posted by Gamex

I think your looking at HA weapons with face value alone just because HA has higher base damage and Auto-Attack doesn't make it better or the best in some situations you have to factor in how the secondary stats of Novus stack up over the course of the fight.

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No secondaries ever outweight the gain of +2 Weapon Damage, Period. You gimp yourself and the LB output of your group by taking a lower weapon. Only reason for taking another than the highest weapon is, if HA weapon has no ACC and you're below cap then.

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Originally Posted by Grotesque

No secondaries ever outweight the gain of +2 Weapon Damage, Period. You gimp yourself and the LB output of your group by taking a lower weapon. Only reason for taking another than the highest weapon is, if HA weapon has no ACC and you're below cap then.

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prove it, and correct me if im wrong but isnt LB damage static?

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Originally Posted by Grotesque

No secondaries ever outweight the gain of +2 Weapon Damage, Period. You gimp yourself and the LB output of your group by taking a lower weapon. Only reason for taking another than the highest weapon is, if HA weapon has no ACC and you're below cap then.

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I got bored and tested something with 2 WD difference, Allagan and weathered. Turns out, weathered only produced about 300 more damage with optimal rotations... Both using the same set. I'll get back to this thread later tonight or tomorrow with a handful of tests to show what I mean.

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Originally Posted by Gamex

prove it, and correct me if im wrong but isnt LB damage static?

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No, LB Dmg is influenced by the partys ilvl of the weapons. Get one in your party using a ilvl1 weapon and watch the LB dropping :)

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Originally Posted by Eardstapa

I got bored and tested something with 2 WD difference, Allagan and weathered. Turns out, weathered only produced about 300 more damage with optimal rotations... Both using the same set. I'll get back to this thread later tonight or tomorrow with a handful of tests to show what I mean.

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Which class, which timeframe, which stat allocation, ... If they share the same allocation you should notice a DPS increase of at least 15 from my eperience over a long timeframe of maybe 3-5 minutes. Increase is an increase IMO, and pushing the groups LB output underlines this fact.

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Originally Posted by Grotesque

No, LB Dmg is influenced by the partys ilvl of the weapons. Get one in your party using a ilvl1 weapon and watch the LB dropping :)

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Isn't it also affected by the stat bonus provided by having a diversity of jobs compared to stacking?
Like if you do Titan HM with 1 PLD, 2 WHM, 5 BLM, you only get VIT, MND and INT stat bonus for the party, while if you have more diversity, you can get VIT, STR, DEX, MND, PIE and INT bonus...

At least it's my belief that having all 6 stat bonuses give better LB damage than if it's only 3 stat bonuses... or maybe it only affects LB generation rate...

I think its generation rate

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Originally Posted by Grotesque

Which class, which timeframe, which stat allocation, ... If they share the same allocation you should notice a DPS increase of at least 15 from my eperience over a long timeframe of maybe 3-5 minutes. Increase is an increase IMO, and pushing the groups LB output underlines this fact.

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So in essence a minimal increase at best and not consistent probably. Advantage to LB yes but not a critical issue, i110 will still get you where you need to go on that front. So to sum up in response to OP's post we can say that Novus is not worthless?

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Originally Posted by Grotesque

Which class, which timeframe, which stat allocation, ... If they share the same allocation you should notice a DPS increase of at least 15 from my eperience over a long timeframe of maybe 3-5 minutes. Increase is an increase IMO, and pushing the groups LB output underlines this fact.

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Solely looking at "DPS" doesn't mean anything when with the proper secondaries, you can match the outgoing damage with 10 less DPS... And each run is around 4 1/2 minutes, so.

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Originally Posted by Gamex

So in essence a minimal increase at best and not consistent probably. Advantage to LB yes but not a critical issue, i110 will still get you where you need to go on that front. So to sum up in response to OP's post we can say that Novus is not worthless?

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Yes. Most probably, the relic is the second best choice at the moment. It's a tedious but nice long-term goal to achieve, you don't have to rush it.

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Originally Posted by Grotesque

Yes. Most probably, the relic is the second best choice at the moment. It's a tedious but nice long-term goal to achieve, you don't have to rush it.

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Thank you for at least admitting something many refuse to do, and that is saying relic is still a viable choice.

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Originally Posted by The_Last_Dragoon

The developers said that they hope to eventually have the relic weapons become what they are actually referring to from FF XI,

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Originally Posted by The_Last_Dragoon

become what they are actually referring to from FF XI,

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Originally Posted by The_Last_Dragoon

FF XI,

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Oh.

From job progression to "When did I start playing FFXI". You know, FFXIV has more grind than a Korean MMO.

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Originally Posted by AscendantManes

You know, FFXIV has more grind than a Korean MMO.

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You never played a Korean MMO, I get it

Well, the relic weapon is CLEARLY meant to be obtained, so I'd like to think that it'd probably be worthwhile way down the line (back me up here Square, pls), even if the High Allagan weapon is better. It's a ever-so-slightly better weapon over the Novus, but requires much more participation and skill than the Novus (I can just movie night the hell out of some Novus Relic, while you can't do that with Coil, and if you can you are CLEARLY a better human being than I am!).

lol... the elitists in this thread.

Ya'll need to go outside more. Animus and Novus are both perfectly viable choices, unless the only way you can play "skilled" content is to be overgeared.

I seem to remember coil being ended in 2.4 patch as per the live letter. Can't find the last live letter at the moment. I'm no expert on MMO's and how they work but I have strong opinion that the relic weapons will end up as the strongest weapons in the game when everything is said and done. The amount of work one has to put into them is a lot but well worth it in some regards. Novus isn't completely useless at all and its something that everyone can do. I've come across a lot of people who make fun of others for completing the relic upgrade as per the patches, but when or if SE adds something that is only available for the relic, such as as special animation or something then people will be sorry for not wanting to do it. If it does turn out to be the most powerful weapon then people will just complain that it is unfair that people have their weapon and the like etc. or simply find something else to complain about and want SE to level the playing field.

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Originally Posted by Grotesque

Yes. Most probably, the relic is the second best choice at the moment. It's a tedious but nice long-term goal to achieve, you don't have to rush it.

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It is the best thing to work on that's available right now and will matter when ilvl 120+ rolls around.