I need a honest opinion about the Atma drop rate......

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I will not call the op a liar, but if he is not he should quit playing all mmo's immediately. Luck that bad with rng is a unheard of.

I already have my atma am stumbling through my animous with no real rush. I went to a fate to help out a fc member, maybe the first fate i have done since atma, and one dropped. I am not saying the drop rate is great just saying luck is luck and if yours is that bad give up now. I am actually sad i got that atma cause i had no plans to go after more than 1 zodiak.

And the entire 4th page is why FF14 will not survive because of disrespectful nature of players such as these....I know the amount of time I spent in game doing fates and how many I did for the past 2 weeks starting from 30th of May til now. Please continue to disrespect me for stating facts in regards to this incredibly low drop rate. I did nothing more than ask for kind and friendly opinion but got nothing but blatant childish attitude from elitist who have nothing more to do in their lives than to show utter lack of any moral center. Please continue to show how disgusting of human beings you are by posting more insults....to all the others who posted their honest opinions....thank you for them and have fun with the game.

i started grinding atma's the day 2.2 released. took me about 9 days of casually grinding fates, sometimes just a fate here and there between queue's sometimes full out fate grinding sessions to gather up all 12. ive been casually collecting myths and got my animus about a week before the novus was released. i am now sitting at 10/75 infusions and im casually taking my time working on it just doing the daily quest and spending myths on it i got thru grinding soldiery. spiritbonding my own materia for the most part unless i see a big dip in prices on the MB that i can take advantage of. i dont really see what the rush is or why people seem to think these are some unobtainable goals

in between all this i spent the time learning and then farming levi x and now all of my alts have ilvl 95 weps. eventually ill score a mirror and ill have some ilvl 100 weps on alts

i really havent expended any huge amount of effort on any of it, its been mostly just doing stuff i would be doing anyways.

my opinion is the quest is just fine, it just takes time and a bit of micromanaging to get the most out of. there is nothing at all wrong with this

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Originally Posted by Madruck

Make wild claims without evidence.

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make your achievements public or your just spouting BS.

drop rate is low but doesnt seem all that bad to me. what keeps it fresh for me is changing jobs every once in a while as i participate in fates.

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Originally Posted by Haibel

make your achievements public or your just spouting BS.

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Haibel, I will state this one last time as I posted earlier, I am going to continue for the rest of the month until the 30th. Then I will disclose my entire data for the complete month so I can clearly show the entire process for completion. If you are unable to wait for that long....then I am sorry....

Atma drops can be brutal, but still pure RNG. An FC-mate just got his second Atma weapon. A couple days ago he started the day with 5 and ended with 11 (and wasn't doing only fates that day). Another FC-mate still only has one Atma (token, not weapon). I have 3 Atma weapons and one Animus. So really, the Ghodess of RNG is capricious and then some.

I couldn't care less about the OP grinding his little heart away for his Atmas, but I came here to laugh at his lies. Don't make bold claims as fact without having the data to back it up. Your pathetic hardship story is bogus unless you can prove us wrong by unlocking your achievements: http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...4/achievement/

/proud Atma weapon owner!

I wonder how many people try to get Atma in zones like South Shroud?

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Originally Posted by Madruck

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i called you a liar because your own posted tread discredits you. in this thread you said you started the 30th of last month. your other thread complaining about atma was made almost two months prior to today. unless you started a new chr soon after that, and did no fates for that months time frame, there is no way that you did the 10k fates you say you did. making people wait for you to give "proof" just screams that you may try to fabricate said proof. there is literally no downside to showing proof now. unless there is no proof.

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Originally Posted by Madruck

For the past 2 weeks I came back to FF14 with the intention of actually proving a point in regards to how again the Atma drops are way incredibly low for what they should be and here is my prove:

05/30/14-Returned to FF14 for the sole purpose of grinding Atmas from fates and consistantly grinded for 10 hours a day on my own time off from work from 05/30/14 to 06/14/14. Within the first 6 days I earned the achievement Destiny's Child (3000 Fates) and Let the Bodies Hit the Floor (100000 mobs killed) on the 06/07/14. As of Friday, 06/14/14, I have currently have only 2 Atmas, Atma from Outer Noscea and Central Shroud with my Summoner full Ilvl 90 gear and the proper weapon equipped the entire time.

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Just popped in to LOL at the fact that someone is claiming they did 7000 FATEs in 9 days by playing 10 hours per day while also working a job on the hours they weren't playing.

Math doesn't add up at all, it's impossible.

7000 FATES/9 days = 777-778 FATE's per day
777/10 hours = 77-78 FATES per hour

That is literally not possible.




Even the first part is suspect...

3000 FATES/6 days = 500 FATE's per day
500/10 hours = 50 FATE's per hour



So either:

1) OP is lying about the number of FATE's particpated in
2) OP is lying about number of hours per day s/he played

I'm going to lean towards #1, but, either way it's not possible to do 77 FATE's per hour. That is more than a FATE per minute, FATE's don't even pop that fast.

Before someone says, "you took so much time to figure that out"... it's REALLY basic math. Took me longer to read the OP's first two posts then it did to figure out the claims were impossible.

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Originally Posted by Madruck

To all the people who stated I wanted easy content or I didn't want to put in the time or the work....is 2 weeks with over 10000 fates not enough effort to earn my weapon? Is it really fair with all my work I only still have 2 Atmas and still need another 10? What else do I have to do to be able to complete this portion of the game? It may be optional but its the weapon that I want.....did I not do enough work for it? Please post honest answers and not some disrespectful comments....I want honest feedback....

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Before you accuse me of being mean, you wanted it... so there you go.

Finally one last piece of math.

10,000 FATEs/14 days = 714.28 FATE's per day
714.28/10 hours per day = 71.43 FATE's per hour


Again, that's not possible.


I'll be more optimistic, since your date range covered 16 days, which is more than 2 weeks:

10,000/16 = 625
625/10 = 62.5 FATE's per hour


Come on now, the whole FATE grinding thing is bad enough without posting a bunch of lies to make it seem even worse.

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Originally Posted by meJojo

RNG is RNG I guess. ...My longest was the one in East Shroud which took nearly 20 hours to drop...

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That was my first ATMA and it dropped at first FATE that spawnwed over my head and done it just because I were there, without even thinking about atmas. Proof that is totally RNG!

OP being the most unlucky player ever is good and all because it balances out with lucky players that got all their atmas in half a day.
You can't have too much luck in a game or Karma would spin out toward the game destruction.

Aside from the crazy over exaggerations, I have a more reasonable claim to make. It took me roughly 215 FATEs for my first Atma, I don't really have time to sit for 10 hours a day and farm, so I literally just got it yesterday, lol.

I was glad that I got it, but man did it suck. It is kind of despressing - it is really an average of 200 FATEs / Atma? Assuming you can catch a FATE every 5 minutes (which is a pretty good clip now-a-days), that would be almost 18 hours per Atma. Is that true? 215 hours to complete the quest? There's no way - please tell me I just got unlucky for my first one! lol

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Originally Posted by Ehayte

Aside from the crazy over exaggerations, I have a more reasonable claim to make. It took me roughly 215 FATEs for my first Atma, I don't really have time to sit for 10 hours a day and farm, so I literally just got it yesterday, lol.

I was glad that I got it, but man did it suck. It is kind of despressing - it is really an average of 200 FATEs / Atma? Assuming you can catch a FATE every 5 minutes (which is a pretty good clip now-a-days), that would be almost 18 hours per Atma. Is that true? 215 hours to complete the quest? There's no way - please tell me I just got unlucky for my first one! lol

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I still haven't even got my first one yet.

Then again, I just particpate in random FATE's (in atma giving zones) and have never really gone on a mission to tackle this.

I'd say I've done over 50, but less than 100, FATE's since getting the quest and have nothing to show for it.

It all seems to be very very random... but, someone saying they did 10,000 FATE's in 16 days playing 10 hours a day and only got 2 atma pieces to show for it is absolutely a lie based on hyperbole.

Sorry but I'm not buying for one minute that you have done over ten thousand FATEs and gotten only two Atmas. Which would have the percentage drop rate at something like 0.2%

Yes the Atma drop rate sucks, as does the idea in the first place, but posting extremely exaggerated figures for sympathy under the veil of wanting "honest feedback" just detracts from support for real cases on this issue.

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Originally Posted by Ehayte

Aside from the crazy over exaggerations, I have a more reasonable claim to make. It took me roughly 215 FATEs for my first Atma, I don't really have time to sit for 10 hours a day and farm, so I literally just got it yesterday, lol.

I was glad that I got it, but man did it suck. It is kind of despressing - it is really an average of 200 FATEs / Atma? Assuming you can catch a FATE every 5 minutes (which is a pretty good clip now-a-days), that would be almost 18 hours per Atma. Is that true? 215 hours to complete the quest? There's no way - please tell me I just got unlucky for my first one! lol

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I read that on Reddit while getting some info on Alexandrites. It said it was the average, but it seems to me to be the worst case scenario.
I've completed 3 atma weapons, and each of them took me around 600-700 fates to complete.

I missed the part where OP said he played 10 hours per day.

If he did 10214 FATEs on 2 weeks with only 10 hours per day, that is just amazing. Mind blowing, even. Mind sharing your tips, OP? Not that I play 10 hours per day, but I might want to try whatever legit method you got to farm alexandrite :p

For what it's worth, I did a bit over 540 fates to get all my ATMA. The only reason I don't have an exact number is that I had only started tracking FATEs after I had my first atma. So yeah, at least 540 fates.

The FATE gods hated me, but it's possible. Just keep at it. Western La Noscea can burn for all I care.


and LOL at the crazy numbers that always get tossed around regarding atma farming. "I farmed FATEs for 400 straight hours! I did 10,000 FATEs!".....ok.

I took this on casually. For me, as it couldn't hurt, I did the theorized, unRNG-the-RNG-because-it-worked-for-some people way, and only farmed the areas that coincided with the JP clock method approach, because, well, some say it worked wonders for them. It's still RNG. And it is still luck.

But I refused to farm for Atmas more than 2 hours at any given time, unless I got an Atma in those two hours, and even then, only on weekends (as I only log in for an hour or so at night). Farming for Atmas for hours and hours on end - I ain't got time for dat!

All joking aside, I probably spent about 30 hours to get all of mine, plus two duplicates. Do I think the drop rate is abysmal? Compared to the minion Opo thing, no (I have yet to see this drop in any runs I have done, and do at least 15 - 20 a week since release). Compared to raptor skin, yes. Compared to the DF chance of clearing Titan Ex with no preset party? No.

I personally think you are wasting your time doing more than 4 hours a day, unless you are getting an Atma every four hours. And I personally think you shouldn't stay in a region more than an hour, two at most. Even though I mentioned I wouldn't stay longer than 2 hours in a region, to be honest, it was probably no longer than 45 minutes, an hour at most. And there were DF dungeon runs in between, and I used either my PLD, WHM or BLM while running those FATEs. And got Atma drops using all 3.

BUT I outright refused to focus on it. For those that did and were successful, congrats!!! But for me, it was just in between everything else for the most part. (And to show you pure RNG power - an LS bud of mine farmed a region for 5 hours before I came in to try for one. I got my first one in 3 FATEs, and continued to help him, and got a duplicate 2 FATEs later. He still didn't get one for the rest of the day, while I went some where else and got one. Then not another for the rest of the week)

you know I put off atma grinding because of threads like this on the forums. then I decided to actually put work into the atma farm and I've gotten 11 atma in 3 weeks playing about 2 hours a day. some fool decides he's going to come back to the game to show that he was "right" about atma? his achievements aren't public for a reason.

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Originally Posted by Kaze3434

except an absolutely insane number was given. its less about proving wrong, and more about trying to stop someone from lying/misinforming others.

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3 pages later, people writing equations, aproximations, some clever (and some less clever) disguised insults it seems more and more that some want to prove someone wrong, that doesn't give a chocobo dropping if anyone thinks he is wrong and sits on his opinion like a dodo on a stone egg :| (including the agitated burping)

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On Atmas:
I decided to start it before my longer break (which was almost right after the patch) , after 12 hours (not in one sitting, and several fates missed because of real life) I got my first drop. I was as much happy as annoyed. Not that it took that long, I farmed quite longer (sometimes 12 hours in one sitting just getting up for bathroom) in FFXI. Just when you did ANYTHING in FFXI for 12 hours, I did not feel THAT much like a bore (and it still was). Killing 300 specific mobs at a specific weather, and those weather things sometimes did not pop for a looong time. But not needing to look on the map to see where the next FATE spawned, just waiting till the weather pops and than kill everything in sight makes all the difference. That and that this kind of grinding did not force you to Level sync down to ridiculous low levels, some jobs have strong enough AOE or instant cast nukes to make getting a fate count for other classes hard.

Unattach Atma from Fate, keep a low droprate, but lets say specific mobs that are at least a BIT of a challenge, and many people wouldn't look that disgusted at the Atma grind

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Originally Posted by Kimikryo

3 pages later, people writing equations, aproximations, some clever (and some less clever) disguised insults it seems more and more that some want to prove someone wrong, that doesn't give a chocobo dropping if anyone thinks he is wrong and sits on his opinion like a dodo on a stone egg :| (including the agitated burping)

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Yessssss. It feels so good too.

Every single one of you posts today has been a complaint about atma. It's not going to change. You quit over it, and then you came back only to complain about the thing you complained and quit over. It's not going to change any time soon because people have just sucked it up and put the time in or decided they don't need it.

East Shroud atma took me 3 days of 8 hour farm sessions to finally get it. Southern Thanalan 4 days 10 hours. Did it suck? Yup. Did I get it done? Yup.

If it's such a big deal why don't you just get a levi weapon and farm for mirrors or get a coil weapon, obviously there is going to be a grind behind every relic upgrade going forward, if you don't have the heart for the atma part you're going to be even less enthused with the animus and then novus grinds.

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Originally Posted by Madruck

For the past 2 weeks I came back to FF14 with the intention of actually proving a point in regards to how again the Atma drops are way incredibly low for what they should be and here is my prove:

05/30/14-Returned to FF14 for the sole purpose of grinding Atmas from fates and consistantly grinded for 10 hours a day on my own time off from work from 05/30/14 to 06/14/14. Within the first 6 days I earned the achievement Destiny's Child (3000 Fates) and Let the Bodies Hit the Floor (100000 mobs killed) on the 06/07/14. As of Friday, 06/14/14, I have currently have only 2 Atmas, Atma from Outer Noscea and Central Shroud with my Summoner full Ilvl 90 gear and the proper weapon equipped the entire time.

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How many FATEs have you did in the 10 hours?
How many FATEs have you did in total before your return (because the achievement)?

Do you have the achievement title for killing all the mobs? Because mine is missing

End result of this topic: The push for Namingway movement has surely gained an additional member.

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End result of this topic: The push for Namingway movement has surely gained an additional member.

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This thread had an all too familiar ring to it and then I remembered, hey this is the guy who was complaining about quitting over atma, yet still had an active sub which means he either quit playing and kept paying or he was just looking for sympathy.

Put in the time to get the item, if you don't want to there are alternatives, no one is forcing you.

And in the end, this guy is just a sad drop of water in an ocean of no one cares.

It takes skills. OP obviously lacks the skills to get ATMAS quickly.

Are you optimizing your fate routes? The more fates you do, the better the chances of a drop. I advice you rush from one fate to the next.

My honest opinion is that RNG is RNG and she's a cruel mistress, though indifferent as to who the cruelty should be rained on. I've been dealing with it for years (willingly of course) so it's not a big deal to me. Others who haven't had much luck or haven't played any other MMOs would feel differently. All you can do is keep trying. That said I'm not on the good side of RNG very often.

I'm sorry for your experience OP.
However....
Atma is all RNG.
As someone who spent 9yrs in XI, I am very familiar with RNG and just how god awful grinding can be.
However, I wanted the weapon... so... off I went~ atma hunting~
The way I saw it, I had two choices.
Choice 1- I could grind atma for hours, days, or weeks... I could but then, I was reminded a little too much of XI. That and, I would probably get burnt out and grow resentful.
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Choice 2- I could take my time. I literally had the same chance of getting an atma every time I engaged in a fate I opted to just take it in passing.

Ok so, it took a bit longer to get all twelve but for me, it was worth it.
I took a rather long break when I got half of the atma and just didn't bother with fates.
Then, slowly, I returned to it.
What helped me was changing zones or just calling it quits after a certain number of fates.
At best, I had three what could be called "Farming" sessions.
They were all short. I went for about an hour or for ten fates then either stopped or changed zones.
Usually the farming sessions didn't yield too much but it was made better by an FC mate coming along.
We ended up chatting a lot as we slaughtered mobs.

Bottom line. RNG is RNG.
RNG hates us all. It hates us all collectively and it hates us all individually.
Sometimes you have good luck, sometimes you have bad luck.
Yes, it would have been nice to be able to get the Atma to drop faster but it is only one part of the game.
It isn't something I would get angry over or like some, quit the game over.

Reminds me of some fool who is complaining about windows vista when others have moved on to windows 7/8. And stop lying.

Something people need to realize is that when it comes to RNG in an MMORPG, content is generally based on the ease and the reward. If the reward is good/important (but not mandatory), but the means to acquire it is easy but probably long to acquire, it's generally an acceptable method of acquisition. Time has next to no true value on an MMORPG, at least in relation to optional reward derived from RNG.

There's way more to explain on the matter, and really, if you weren't around (or didn't enjoy) MMORPGs either prior to or when they became mainstream, it's a concept that will be very difficult to grasp. It is important though if you really want to minimize any anger/hate one may have to things like Atma. RNG, or the lengthy grind in general, is not an unexpected situation to be in with an MMORPG. It could take you months (see more than one or two) to finish, playing every day for a few hours, and it wouldn't be something surprising to some of us.

OP forgets to mention how many mobs/fates he'd done prior to coming back to the game. I leveled my first 3 jobs through fates back when it was the optimal way to level. I only just got those 2 achievements like 2 days ago and I'm on my 4th weapon. And I've been doing it casually, inbetween farming alex from fates as well. Stop being overdramatic. Its completely random luck and impossible to do 2 fates per minute in certain zones frankly because I've gone 10+ without a single one popping. If you're going to try and post research and factual information, you need all the data and statistics laid out before making a thread like this. Moreso because, as has been said, these threads were made months ago. If you don't like the grind, don't do it. Go do coil and make a Geralts weapon or get High Allagan, fairly simple alternate solution. Or grind mirrors for an i100 weapon. Fact is, unless you're doing top tier content, you don't need more than an i90 weapon to begin with.

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Fact is, unless you're doing top tier content, you don't need more than an i90 weapon to begin with.

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ooo boy that ones really gonna get the casuals kicking and screaming haha


(but i agree)

Done both atma runs for my SMN book and BRD bow I can say this. Didn't bother going around different FATE spawns, but instead sitting in 1 spot cause usually 1 FATE spawns much faster than the rest....in certain zones. It's around .5%-1% drop rate.

it's all luck, the drop rate is obviously abysmally low, so what you can do is farm fates while doing something else, like watching TV or stuff.

I find that spending 1 to 2 hours a day dedicated to farming atmas easier that doing it straight for 6 hours. If it doesn't drop in the period of time then just do something else, next time you might get lucky.

I've done ONE MILLION FATES AND ACHIEVED NOTHING

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Originally Posted by Dano

it's all luck, the drop rate is obviously abysmally low, so what you can do is farm fates while doing something else, like watching TV or stuff.

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I finished like, 10 seasons of the Simpsons marathon in total farming my atma weapons/waiting for animus books' fates XD

It's a badly designed quest, that's all there is to it, it's just there to badly prolong rehashed content and keep people subbed in hopes they eventually do get lucky enough to progress with the quest, it doesn't even succeed at being long lasting content because you can technically get them all in a day and all the hoolabaloo about "not all people get lucky just like IRL!" are just empty excuses, as bad of an argument as the quest is implemented really.