Lvl 50 Arcanist is it wrong?

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Originally Posted by Chihaya

I don't usually come to DPS section, but after Akiza invaded General Discussion to the point I put Akiza on ignore list... decided to see just how bad the DPS section is...

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This made my day, thank you.

When i started this Q all i really wanted was a yeah you should go SUM or no you're fine as an ARC but this is how it ended up lol. Anyway I'm a SUM now so it's over with as far as i care so thanks to all that answered my Q with out being condescending ^_^

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Originally Posted by fanservice

I actually feel bad being that guy, but it had to be said.

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You should feel bad. Someone comes to the forums asking for help and clarification and you call them an illiterate idiot. Really? This is what you consider "helpful"? If you were on my server I would blacklist you immediately.

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Originally Posted by Legacy_Wolfwood

even in coil 1 up to t4 you can play as arcanist and still do fine. same with the original ex's. echo made it too easy. t5 is about a 50/50. if you know the fight 100% and play at the top of your game where you make no mistakes then you should be fine as an arcanist. 2nd coil is probably where the arcanist fun stops lol

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This guy might be fine with carrying someone through raid content but most people are not. Glad to see you got your job unlocked. Now level THM for swiftcast.

Thanks for the tip I'll do that and i won't be doing any raids..Yeah i know ( But you won't get your blah blah blah) At this point i don't care i was having fun playing this game but now it's starting to be a downer. So I'll just play with close friends & Solo all i can't get by doing that oh well. It's just a game life won't end if i don't get all there is to get. I just won't to play and have fun i don't want anybody carrying me through raids. I don't want to make anybody mad or crap like that so I'll party with close friends and play solo / PVE.

P.S this is a reply to your post (PetiteMalFleur) But not aimed at you so please no disrespect.

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Originally Posted by Chihaya

Like when? Unless you are WHM or SCH, you can't rez in combat

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Um yes you can summoner also gets ressurect by default it revives in battle in fact your primary the go to guy to revive when in a party anyway

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Originally Posted by Kyana

So basically everyone ends up playing the same class with the same skills.
While this makes creating content alot easier, it kills one of the aspects which made the class system of FF so unique.

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There was nothing unique about the class system and to be perfectly honest it should of been abandoned with ARR and just had a better job system, but for some stupid reason they wanted to keep the classes in the game which is completely pointless since all end game content is targeted towards jobs.

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Originally Posted by radzyne

Um yes you can summoner also gets ressurect by default it revives in battle in fact your primary the go to guy to revive when in a party anyway

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Ok... but what is an ARC gonna do? The person I was replying to?

Hey guys & gals quick Q again hopefully this time i won't get called an idiot. But i know Swiftcast is a must for a Summoner but what about. Raging Stikes it has increased Dam by 20% Or is it only melee dam because it doesn't say it just says Increases damage dealt by 20% for 20s

So Yes or No?

I'm just trying different abilities out this doesn't mean I'm running Dungeons like this. As i said i want to win just like my team so I'll always look it up or ask. Before i go into a Dungeons untested.

So true the classes all become looked at as crap once you hit 30+ Kinda sad i like some of the starter classes.

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Originally Posted by Ransu

There was nothing unique about the class system and to be perfectly honest it should of been abandoned with ARR and just had a better job system, but for some stupid reason they wanted to keep the classes in the game which is completely pointless since all end game content is targeted towards jobs.

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Originally Posted by chunli1245

Hey guys & gals quick Q again hopefully this time i won't get called an idiot. But i know Swiftcast is a must for a Summoner but what about. Raging Stikes it has increased Dam by 20% Or is it only melee dam because it doesn't say it just says Increases damage dealt by 20% for 20s

So Yes or No?

I'm just trying different abilities out this doesn't mean I'm running Dungeons like this. As i said i want to win just like my team so I'll always look it up or ask. Before i go into a Dungeons untested.

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The 'must have' cross class abilities for Summoner:

-Swiftcast (Swiftcast Raise/Shadow Flare)
- Raging Strikes (Its a damage increase, not a particular stat increase)

Nice to haves:

-Quelling Strikes (Aggro management. Summoners have the lowest aggro profile without this skill, but why not?)
- Blizzard II (Good lazy tool for FATEs)

Thanks for the info

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Originally Posted by Bombast

The 'must have' cross class abilities for Summoner:

-Swiftcast (Swiftcast Raise/Shadow Flare)
- Raging Strikes (Its a damage increase, not a particular stat increase)

Nice to haves:

-Quelling Strikes (Aggro management. Summoners have the lowest aggro profile without this skill, but why not?)
- Blizzard II (Good lazy tool for FATEs)

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Originally Posted by Bombast

The 'must have' cross class abilities for Summoner:

-Swiftcast (Swiftcast Raise/Shadow Flare)
- Raging Strikes (Its a damage increase, not a particular stat increase)

Nice to haves:

-Quelling Strikes (Aggro management. Summoners have the lowest aggro profile without this skill, but why not?)
- Blizzard II (Good lazy tool for FATEs)

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With good strafing in between cast, Blizzard II is actually a pretty good AoE to use everywhere when you got DoTs + Shadowflare running.

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Originally Posted by Dwill

With good strafing in between cast, Blizzard II is actually a pretty good AoE to use everywhere when you got DoTs + Shadowflare running.

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Stick to Miasma II for AOE damage.
You wont have the time to cast Blizzard II in Garuda HM for the Plumes.
BlizzardII is basically used in low level mob Fates.

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Originally Posted by Kyana

While this makes creating content alot easier, it kills one of the aspects which made the class system of FF so unique.

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In saying that though, I tried a White Mage with subbed Thief skills in FFXI, because I liked having the ability to steal from enemies.
Despite this, I got a lot of hate for it - because it wasn't an "optimal" combo for a party.

So, I can kind of see where the OP is coming from in wanting to play their own class, their own way.

I agree that the abilities should be able to be cross pollinated a lot more, like they were able to be in Final Fantasy V. :D

Play your class how you like, but accept the rage you will get with it.
- what ever dps you are lacking the others will suffer because of it.

Blizzard 2 is good for AOE damage providing Dots and SF are running, miasma II isn't that great tbh
Just think of it like this
Blizzard potency times how many mobs you are hitting vs the single potency from hitting one.
With two casts of blizzard 2 you have already done more DPS than the miasma II would do if left to fall off.

If you require sustained AOE damage for a few mobs who have a large health pool and will likely survive longer than 40 secs or so

If you can RS normal DOTs and Bane, while running to them use Swift SF, Miasma II while running back hitting them all, then use contagion when its time.

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Originally Posted by BinaryJack

Stick to Miasma II for AOE damage.
You wont have the time to cast Blizzard II in Garuda HM for the Plumes.
BlizzardII is basically used in low level mob Fates.

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In Garuda HM, SMN usually don't even bother with plumes to the speed at which they fall.

And I don't mean this to be offensive but if you think we have to stick to Miasma II for AoE and Blizzard II is a FATE tool, you're totally wrong.

Everyone has their own play style trying spell / attack combos out to see what works for you is part of the fun. Players that tell you things like

(You should use this and this and this..If you don't you're wasting your time and the time of your party)

Are being a bit anal 68 dam vs 55 dam yeah i may do more dam if i play your way. But I'm killing my own fun by playing like someone else. And the whole playing wrong thing is over blow. Yes i had people ask (You're not a Sum?) Which i am now but before i would say no and we would continue with the dungeon. Not 1 time did me and my party die because i was an ARC not even in any lvl 50 dungeons. There has even been a time were i save the whole party after they died. Not because of me but because the healer was on the phone. I healed myself and killed all the enemies using Bane and then Res'ed everyone and we when on to win.

I feel if you are winning just go with it don't be so anal because someone is doing this or isn't doing that. If the party is winning that's to over all point. (But nobody wants to carry another player) To that i say whatever without a healer a Tank & Dps is crap I have beat dungeons without a Tank in party. And i know many of you have to so when they do a good job i always thank the healer for carrying the team lol.

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Originally Posted by chunli1245

I feel if you are winning just go with it don't be so anal because someone is doing this or isn't doing that. If the party is winning that's to over all point. (But nobody wants to carry another player) To that i say whatever without a healer a Tank & Dps is crap I have beat dungeons without a Tank in party. And i know many of you have to so when they do a good job i always thank the healer for carrying the team lol.

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And without a tank and damage dealers, a healer is just as useless. It takes all 3 to function properly. In the end, it's your 15$ a month so you have the right to play as you want but it's other players 45$-345$ a month (3-23 additional players) that's being wasted for your own selfish way of wanting to play sub-optimally because "it's fun". So these players totally have the right to be pissed at players wasting their time.

As i said over anal if you win and you help your team get off my back just because I'm not playing like you want me to. Everyone talks as if I'm saying i just sit their and do nothing. No i go hard just like everyone else in a dungeon. Tell me has some ever told you (You are not play your class right) or have told you. (You should do this) Yes i know they have it's an mmo you're always going to run into someone that thinks you are playing wrong. All I'm saying is you don't have to listen to EVERY SINGLE PLAYER with a Keyboard / Controller & a Opinion. Trust me i play just fine i get no criticisms 0 All i would get is asked why i wasn't a SUM but that's it.

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Originally Posted by Dwill

And without a tank and damage dealers, a healer is just as useless. It takes all 3 to function properly. In the end, it's your 15$ a month so you have the right to play as you want but it's other players 45$-345$ a month (3-23 additional players) that's being wasted for your own selfish way of wanting to play sub-optimally because "it's fun". So these players totally have the right to be pissed at players wasting their time.

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This is it exactly it. Not being a SUM will lower your damage. This means the fight is going to last longer and put more stress on the healer and tank to stay alive. The choice not to use the tools that every single player should be using means that someone has to carry the person without the job. It's incredibly rude to the rest of the party for absolutely no benefit.

I 100% Agree my point was you don't have to play your SUM the way some random player tells you to play. There is nothing wrong with some good advice every now and then. But the game lose a lot of it's fun factor when one player is telling you to. (Do this this way) And another is telling you (No do it this way)

I got my SUM class so i can help my team better some times i even ask if they would like me to play a certain way. If they type nothing then they really can't cry because I'm not playing a certain way.

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Originally Posted by Sanguisio

With two casts of blizzard 2 you have already done more DPS than the miasma II would do if left to fall off.

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So you're saying it takes two casts of Blizzard 2 to beat Miasma 2. Gotcha.

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Originally Posted by chunli1245

Are being a bit anal 68 dam vs 55 dam yeah i may do more dam if i play your way. But I'm killing my own fun by playing like someone else. And the whole playing wrong thing is over blow. Yes i had people ask (You're not a Sum?) Which i am now but before i would say no and we would continue with the dungeon. Not 1 time did me and my party die because i was an ARC not even in any lvl 50 dungeons. There has even been a time were i save the whole party after they died. Not because of me but because the healer was on the phone. I healed myself and killed all the enemies using Bane and then Res'ed everyone and we when on to win.

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1) I find it odd that you wouldn't want your play style to be better. I'd understand if the two were equally potent in different ways, but the method you're choosing is demonstrably weaker. Whatever, though. . .

2) Everything you did while saving your team you could have done better as a SMN than as an ACN (not ARC, that's Archer). All of your dots that you were baning to kill the enemies would have been more potent, your Physick would have been more potent, your pet attacks would have been more potent. . .and you don't even have any cross-class skills I can see that should have made a difference.

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Originally Posted by Dixon

I have purposely stayed as an archer in some instances when playing with friends only. Mainly because of the same reason: everyone would expect me to be a bard. The problem is, as an archer, i use a lot of the other cross-class abilities, (mainly Mercy Strike, Bloodbath, and Invigorate--all abilities not available to Bard)

Some people like their system and get all pissy when someone presents a new idea. My suggestion is to mainly stick with friends when doing that to avoid hate.

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To you and OP,

Classes get more cross class because they're built for Solo play. Jobs are meant for Party play. You can play as an Archer as much as you want, but usually in a party environment you don't need to worry about, say, having to cross class cure because that's what the white mage is there for, and you're expected to be a Bard. AND if you're an archer, you don't have your songs, and you know damn well that when the WHM runs out of MP, you'll be the first they blame for not being a bard and using Mage's Ballad.

Sorry i mean ACN and yes i Agree with you both (Viridiana) & (Rex) Like i said i go hard when it's party time. And while i agree with you SUM would have got it done better. The fact that i got it done at all as a ACN got crazy respect from the other players that was using jobs. But I'm no stubborn fool i see now that SUM rocks it's like a ACN on steroids i see that now lol.

Btw, bane plumes from ruda time your shit guys.

SMNs are capable of burst damage in boss instances, bane! and fester. Just as a SCH has to know the fight to be v effective, as does the SMN.

If you are saying you should use miasma 2 because not enough time to cast blizzard LOL, Miasma 2 only does more when it has done its full duration otherwise it is weak.

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Originally Posted by chunli1245

Thanks I'm lvl'ing Thaumaturge now and who knows i may even like playing a Summoner only one way to find out i guess lol

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You should have THM at 26 for swiftcast anyways if you like playing SCH.

I've been a SMN for a while now and I'm solo lvl'ing all my classes. And i only dungeon with close friends now it's easier that way. Dungeons go so much smoother when you can chat using skype or phones. Anyway thanks for the advice Swiftcast is a must i see but I'm loving Raging Strikes as well. It's good for getting that damage boost in a boss fight.

Personally I enjoy going back to ACN from time to time bc of Carbuncle pets.

They are cute compared to Egis, even though the dps kind will always be weaker than Garuda (I used to dream that I'd get a female harpie by my side instead of a green bird prototype...) and the tanker kind be less efficient than Titan (still fun for AoE dps though).

But yea, as many said.. there are only advantages in being a SMN instead of ACN. Idk your gameplay style but some guides you can find in both FF XIV Forum and Google can also be useful.