Brayflox HM - All sorts of Chaos

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Originally Posted by Charisma

My favorite are tanks that pull the first level, and then think they can just stand there eat all the AoE and activating all the cooldowns at once will do the job.
also those type of tanks seem to think the Scholar can spam heal Cure 2.

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No, a SCH can do things much better. They are the kings of single-target after all. Though tanks who do that are flat retarded. Part of the reason I only run Speedflox with my wife and friend now.

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Originally Posted by Cherie

the cheese making process.

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b..but they are belong to the illuminati!

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Originally Posted by Shenandoah

b..but they are belong to the illuminati!

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LOL

Thankfully I was not drinking anything when I read this. :P

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Originally Posted by Moheeheeko

This is why outside of the expert roulette I NEVER run Bray HM

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I find this very hard to believe. If you're grinding myth for animus books or just tomes for gear you're running bray.

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Originally Posted by SaitoHajime

I find this very hard to believe. If you're grinding myth for animus books or just tomes for gear you're running bray.

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I'm on my second book, and no brayflox myth went into it or my first book. I already have half the myth I need for the third.
The progress is slow to some, but it suits my timing and helps me maintain my sanity. So there is indeed some of us who definitely don't go there.

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Originally Posted by Goodberry

How the heck can people have PROBLEMS in running an instance like Brayflox HM? All it takes is showing up, breezing thru the mobs, AOEing out the little bombs in final encounter and LBing the giant bomb. Wipes, quarrels, rage quits? It's really sad.

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There are people who let the giant bomb come out? LB it as soon as you see the adds and you can skip the giant bomb entirely. Saves at least a minute off your time since he runs around entirely too much after that.

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Originally Posted by Bigpurpleharness

No, a SCH can do things much better. They are the kings of single-target after all. Though tanks who do that are flat retarded. Part of the reason I only run Speedflox with my wife and friend now.

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I disagree on that. Although physick+embrace beats the hell out of cure II. But I'd still rather bring a white mage for Holy. Full disclosure, I have a heavy pro-holy bias.

Ideal brayflox party is probably PLD/DRG/BLM/WHM. Between BLM and DRG, if the WHM spams Holy, everything will be dead by the time it gets full stun resistance and it can actually attack again. The tank barely even gets hit. SCH's can't really participate in DPS without putting the tank at serious risk, and even then Bane only hits so many of them. Unless I'm completely underestimating Selene. Then the DRG's single target damage makes short work of the bosses.

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Originally Posted by Luxx

Would like to read if or how WHM's can do this. SCH are not burst healers so I'm pretty curious how their runs go.
Pretty sure it goes a hell of a lot better than SCH's.

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When capping soldiery I usually play as WHM for the faster queues. Being able to pull off big pulls really depends on the whole party. You need DPS that can deal a lot of AoE DMG fast, and a tank that can take a beating while also keeping hate on a crapton of mobs. If the DPS are suited to big pulls, and the tank knows what he's doing and has good gear, I can usually keep up with healing by using and abusing divine seal, keeping regen up and spamming cure 1 non-stop with a cure 2 whenever freecure pops up. But as soon as people other than the tank start taking significant damage, or if it drags on far too long due to DPS not being suited to sustained AoE on big groups I start to have problems keeping up. WHM is an alt class for me, I've got ilvl 88 on it, but I'm not as practiced at it as people who main it, so they can probably cope better than I can with things not going perfectly.

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Originally Posted by AiChyan

I'm on my second book, and no brayflox myth went into it or my first book. I already have half the myth I need for the third.
The progress is slow to some, but it suits my timing and helps me maintain my sanity. So there is indeed some of us who definitely don't go there.

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while I ran tons of bray HM, I understand how it's so mind-numbing after your, like, 100th run that any slight alteration from speed-run way (such as not LB-ing final boss, not pulling multiple groups) can set people off. Have had this happen a couple times XD after those I normally tanked bray HM so it saved me the headaches of tanks that just up and left lol. I also tanked tons of CT when farming my books for the heck of it but I rarely do it now after I have every single CT gear for every class lol.

I will always use Scholar for speed runs since Scholar has no mana issues compared to White Mage.
I don't see why Scholars should have any problem when the tank pulls all the mob before the first boss.
Just sacred soil and spam adlo! None of my tanks died from that.
Energy Drain the remaining 2 stacks of aetherflow and use aetherflow to get your mana back.
I do this with 500 crit and out of 10 times, 4 of my adlo crits to shield the tank for 3000++ hp

Here's what I do as a PLD:

Step 1: Greet with a friendly "Rally-ho!"
Step 2: Ask if the group wants full pulls or half pulls.

I don't bother looking and peoples' gear. I just flat out ask what they can handle. This is mostly directed towards the healer, and how much he or she can heal me. If I'm pulling everything up the ramp, I'll pop a HG, just to give the healer some breathing room. After HG is gone, I'll pop Sentinel and Convalence. usually this is enough for the first pull, if not, I'll just go through my CDs till the mobs die.


Now, I do have a question for the first boss. Where do you want your tank to tank him? I just stand at the border thing to lock out the mobs outside. I just plant the boss there and don't move. I really don't wanna move the boss around too much and risk messing up a combo lol. Is the center the best place for the 1st boss?

For the 2nd one, if the adds spawn or get into range, I'll provoke/Shield Lob them just so they leave the others alone. I dunno, I just go on instint, if a mob is attacking anyone but me, then I go and grab it. Buuuuut, these adds can be taken down by pretty much anyone, so if the mob is too far away, I don't go running after them.

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Originally Posted by Lucke

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For the 2nd boss, tanks that I run speed run with don't bother doing anything to the adds. So since healer aggro will draw the mob towards me, I'll just bane them and let them die slowly from the DOTs. No big deal for a healer, the damage is minor.

When I tank Brayflox (PLD), I just go for the full pull every time. If we wipe, oops. Shorter pulls next time and I guess we wasted like 2 minutes of our life in a video game. Unless someone says something beforehand, of course. I'm not one of those tanks that thinks they run the show unilaterally. Really I act more like a tour guide than a leader. I've got my own plan but if you want to do something else, whatever, they don't pay me to think.

As a healer, I bring WHM every time for that AOE shield bash they pack. And benediction. And presence of mind, holy crap that is a good ability. Like ridiculously freaking good. Cure III also helps a lot with the gliders and bosses, assuming everybody knows to stay in range of each other.

While bray longstop is one of my fav dungeons... I hate bray hm so much... mostly due to speedruns. But other than with friends or on drexpert I don't see it that much so that's good.

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Originally Posted by Cherie

Mythflox HM: Welcome to the endgame farm mode... lol

There are other dungeons? Nope, just Brayflox, if you happen to get another dungeon while in roulette, it's a glitch in the matrix.

The Illuminati trying the steal cheese is the primary storyline in the game, so we must endeavor to prevent them by maintaining our presence in Mythflox constantly. Cheese is why Bahamut sprang from Dalamund after all. He merely wanted a good piece of Gouda.

I'm looking forward to future expansions where we get to go deeper in to Mythflox's territory and learn more about the cheese making process. The lore of the place is amazing. :o

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I feel ya, but this is what results when end game is mindless points grinding. I mean seriously.. 13,500 myth for a weapon? Come on man, it was 900 for the previous version, and they multiplied it by 15. I guess Novus is going to require 202,500 myths

I just outright refuse to do Brayflox now. If it's my roulette (which is ALL THE TIME) I quit... yeah, I probably should stop touching Expert Roulette if it's just another word for Brayflox Longstop. If I want soldiery, I'll just manually choose Halatali (haven't done that dungeon in three weeks now) and Amdapor Township (two weeks).

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Originally Posted by SaitoHajime

I find this very hard to believe. If you're grinding myth for animus books or just tomes for gear you're running bray.

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nope, i finished my animus and i haven't done lot of brayflox.
for 2boss runs:I've never PFed it done max5 LS chainedrun(less than 10 run each time) and did it .
done a few full run for soldiery but i didnt stick to it, tagged more often in roulette than in Brayflox.

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Originally Posted by Hik0

nope, i finished my animus and i haven't done lot of brayflox.
for 2boss runs:I've never PFed it done max5 LS chainedrun(less than 10 run each time) and did it .
done a few full run for soldiery but i didnt stick to it, tagged more often in roulette than in Brayflox.

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Haven't finished my Staff yet but only need 2 more books. And i haven't joined any Party Finder Myth farming runs. All i do is every duty roulette for 2-3 days and you have nearly enough for a new book. While doing the book do roulette each day and the 3 Dungeons and it's really not that bad.

This is why I don't do Bray anymore and if I get it on Roulette, I leave. It's mostly the DPS I have a problem with. Whenever I asked not to speed run, the tanks never complained (and if they did, not to my face anyway). One went as far as tanking every mob separately until I told him that I could handle more than that, just not the entire room. But then the DPS either pull more than the tank did, or don't kill the adds targeting me as sort of "revenge".

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Originally Posted by mekia

Haven't finished my Staff yet but only need 2 more books. And i haven't joined any Party Finder Myth farming runs. All i do is every duty roulette for 2-3 days and you have nearly enough for a new book. While doing the book do roulette each day and the 3 Dungeons and it's really not that bad.

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And the myth from dailies/treasure hunting adds up surprisingly nicely too!

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Originally Posted by Moqi

*Snip* But then the DPS either pull more than the tank did, or don't kill the adds targeting me as sort of "revenge".

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I saw something like this not 15 minutes ago- had 1 dps (the least geared of course) spamming "speedrun?"; I saw we had 1 aoe dps (him) and a decently-geared healer, so I felt more comfortable doing 2 pulls per area instead of the whole shebang. He ends up pulling the extra groups, we die, and the healer leaves. Then I get this:

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/g...flight/Yep.png

and he ragequits. Don't get me wrong, I've been fortunate to see a lot of friendly folks- it's just those occasional douche goblins that make you want to smash your face into something unyielding.

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Originally Posted by ClaudeKenni

douche goblins

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This is my new favorite thing to say ever.

Though, I'm sorry you have to encounter that type of people :(

Well, hopefully Hullbreaker and the new HM dungeons will be part of Expert Roulette, so instead of a 33% chance of getting Brayflox, now you'll have...uhhh....1 in 6....which is uhhh.....15.66% in getting Bray hehe.

i can heal all the way up to the first boss on my SCH, gotta make use of your fairies cool down and shadow flare is an absolute must

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Originally Posted by TiyaKelth

While I believe you that most don't pull to the top, the reason many do (myself included), is that you don't have to deal with the bomb aoe's if you pull up to near the stream.

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I have no trouble with the 'why'. Just at least tell me your doing it.

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Originally Posted by AkashiXI

WHM is the superior healer for Bray. On the first pull a pld can HG and you can get 4 Cleric Stance Holys in. With a WAR, you can holy until vengeance is off. On the second pull you don't have to heal either tank. Divine Seal Medica 2 -> Regen the tank, swift cleric Holy, presence of mind Holy spam. A good WHM can potentially out dps a blm on the second pull if they die in under 20seconds.

Furthermore, WAR is the better tank for berserk/bloodbath overpower spam. WHM/WAR/BLM/BRD(BLM) have given me the best results while I worked on my animus.

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Notes taken. Will have to look into moving around some macros. Anything to make Longstop (Hard) suck less and I am the one that can make it suck less.

Kind of nice when the healer can do something to make the run go better. Most of that is usually on the DPS or Tank.

SCH's pretty okay to use, just a matter of timing when you have time to throw down some dps (if the tank is geared/good) With your fairy roused and succor+whispering dawn you can get a few bits of down time to throw the odd shadow flare or bane before returning to healing. Boss wise you can pretty much help with the dps unless people are getting hurt a lot. I main SCH so find it harder to go as WHM even though people have told me its easier to heal on WHM. ^-^ That said I don't mind normal paced runs. Long as we all get what we came from :D

My main job is sch and I'm pretty decently geared on both healers (over 100 ilevel).

I usually run it as WHM just for the few Holy's.

From an healing perspective, with SCH healing is easier than with WHM.
From a dps perspective, they're kinda equal.

WHM Holy's damage and SCH's shadow flare + selene buff are kinda the same in a speed run for me.

DPS on bosses, the SCH wins because I can dps while the fairy heals, while on WHM I have to renew regens/medica II then go back to dps.


(Remember that a Shadow Flare total damage is in the 700-800s, if you add Miasma that's another 200 damages, so basically 2x Holy)