Level Capped Dungeons: Please allow all skills learned.

I'd hate it. More opportunities to speed run low level dungeons in Roulette and keep new players behind... no thanks. They already have it bad in Main Scenario, let's not ruin another Roulette.

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Originally Posted by Diavolo

It makes me not want to help people, tbh, which if you're trying to get a new friend into the game, they kind of expect you're going to show them the ropes.

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Haha. That's really up to you. I do join them if somehow they have hard time finding member or queued for long time. Can't really compare new players to babies though, since tutorial in this game are quite abundant. Those dungeon level does have their own purposes.

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Originally Posted by KingOfAbyss

My turn: lol

As if people in PUGs cares about anyone else than themselves (I ever wonder in PFs..) and teaching the ropes.. with 3 abilities.. (and for me, being higher lvl and a 'veteran' comes with a bit of responsibilities showing the ropes to those who ask - heck - imagine all players becoming as good as you! You see them later on and brag: yeah ish meh that teaches little one, now look at him! ^^)

They give a bonus gil and such to those who click the button, to fill up the parties that low-lvl ones lack. Simple as that.

Your help comes from being there. Friendship comes from chatting while mashing these 3 buttons. You stated you were almost sleeping, which proves me you don't really intend to befriend or help.

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I can't befriend someone I'm already friends with? And yeah, I was there to help. However, that doesn't mean I can't get bored. I don't know if that's how you work, but certainly not how I work.

They should not lock the skills so if there is a guy who is new to the game and he sees a high level guy using the skills, he will be intrigued and motivated to level his to max to get these skills for himself!

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Originally Posted by DioxinTaru

I would very much like to have a situation where in level capped situation we retain all the skills that we have learned.

We all spend a lot of time learning all the skill combo's and patterns as we churn through level 50 content, but as soon as we do a low level duty or FATE we have to suddenly relearn for that level cap.

I'm sure that this may trivialize many of the lower dungeons, but it allows the level capped player the opportunity to continue to cycle through their more natural combo pattern for endgame, which may not be suited to a low level cap.

(I'm currently levelling MNK and it irks me that my top end skill pattern is completely different from a lower one)

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You don't play fighting games, do you?

How about a compromise only cross class abilities remain unlocked other classes can use them anyway base class should be able to aswell

What about...
Skills unlocked
Traits not unlocked

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I think it is a good idea to left as it is, it should give players chance or reminders how to learn/do their jobs effectively.

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Yes. I actually enjoy the level cap and restrictions in lower level dungeons, it gives me the chance to go back to basics with jobs and reminds me of a much "simpler" time. Admittedly it's a bit annoying levelling up and not being able to use your new skills all the time, and it's annoying when you have to sync to 49 for certain FATE's, but beyond that I'm not bothered by it.

The truth is, you don't need all your skills for those dungeons, they're not designed with that in mind. The addition of all the level 50 skills would likely make them even more trivial than they are already.

Half comboing as war feels like limping all the time.

It's like going through all that foreplay without the sweet release of butchers block.

While it would be awesome to be able use Regen, Medica II, Shield Oath, Circle of Scorn, Bard Songs, Rain of Death, Perfect Balance, and other skills in early dungeons; I'm very against the idea of being able to use top end skills in those dungeons. They're easy enough as is, no need to make it easier.

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Originally Posted by TheRogueX

You don't play fighting games, do you?

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Getting combos down in fighting games is waaaaaaay different than learning rotations for monk.

We're doing bootshine (wait 1-2 seconds) -> true strike (wait again) -> snap punch (among other combo sets)! No plinking, juggling, super jump canceling, FADC, or anything.

Having Sako combo level inputs in the game would be awesome though ;D

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Half comboing as war feels like limping all the time.

It's like going through all that foreplay without the sweet release of butchers block.

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Oh I see now, this is a Freudian thing.

I would love to have access to my skills when doing lower level content. All my classes have the macro bars setup so that it's easy to go through any combos or quickly access trigger skills like thundercloud for BLM, or Shield Swipe for PLD. When I got lower level content your rotations you're used to using are no longer usable and tanking the way your used to isn't feasible. Without access to the rage of halone combo I'm just spaming flash to keep hate, in uncapped content I flahs once and Rage of Halone combo though all the mobs to keep hate and it's more interactive and fun this way. This is also one of the reasons I almost never help my LS with level content under 40-45 and it's infuriating because I would love to help but every time I do, it's like learning a new class for the fist 5-10 minute of the dungeon. I'm all for this all skill access especially if it's a preformed group.

I would do lower lvl dungeons more if I could keep all my lvl 50 skills :D

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Originally Posted by DioxinTaru

I would very much like to have a situation where in level capped situation we retain all the skills that we have learned.

We all spend a lot of time learning all the skill combo's and patterns as we churn through level 50 content, but as soon as we do a low level duty or FATE we have to suddenly relearn for that level cap.

I'm sure that this may trivialize many of the lower dungeons, but it allows the level capped player the opportunity to continue to cycle through their more natural combo pattern for endgame, which may not be suited to a low level cap.

(I'm currently levelling MNK and it irks me that my top end skill pattern is completely different from a lower one)

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I support this.
gimp the skills so they do relative damage to that level.

A large portion of content is refarmed so syncing plays a large part.
It also wreaks havoc on my macros.

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Originally Posted by Legacy_Wolfwood

too op. med2 and regen = no one dying in any low level dungeon...ever. you just skip all fight mechanics and power through it all.

besides lvl capped dungeons are for helping others really. if youre 50, youre only there for roulette or helping a friend. mostly roulette, meaning you are only there 1 time all day usually. so you can deal with the 10m-1hr (depending on your team) for 1 time. then go back to your 50 dungeons and have your rotations

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No one actually dies in low level dungeons.

I second the OP request, tanking very low level dungeon is a true nightmare due to the lack of skills (not that it is hard, but it is rather incredibly boring and tedious).

For those saying that a lowbie tank couldnt hold hate from a synced level 50 obviously don't do enough synced content..... syncing down from 34 to 18 I half tanked the bosses and every mob I primaried ..... they just dont have the tools. But that is a very different topic.

If all skill were unlocked, we will witness an horde of bored 50s facerolling new people on duties, situation is already bad with synced i100 taking aggro from new tanks at the sole scope to lol at him, no need to make situation worse.

If you want use all your skills, you can do endgame content, there is plenty and 100 times more rewarding.

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Originally Posted by IzumiRaito

Level synced dps with all skills + tank with no tank stance and no butcher block/ halone = tank will never be able to keep aggro. Then he gets carried by level synced healer that ends up tanking, and the tank will reach end game without learning how to tank properly.

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Even with out having all of my skills, its still extremely easy to pull aggro off of a new tank. 3 rotations deep with the most minimal setup of skills, and I'm already at the no.1 spot. I know others have had the same problem, and it causes a lot of frustration in low level dungeons.

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Originally Posted by Gesser

Think how fun it would be to challenge the lower level dungeons with your full-arsenal.
Sure it could technically 'break' some of the feel/mechanics having all your abilities, but for the sheer difference in fun I think it's totally worth it..

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I disagree, while it will be fun the first times overkilling become boring veryfast

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Originally Posted by dejavutwo

What abilities would allow you to 1-shot mobs in lower dungeons? Everything is based on potency instead of base damage, so the high level skills will do significantly less damage at lower levels.

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not really one shoting 1mob but flare is 2.6 the potency of Fire2, SC flare convert flare (520potency would just clear all trash between each zone and every low dungeon will turn into brayfloxHM (and i do low roulette because brayfloxSR spam is boring)

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Originally Posted by Hik0

I disagree, while it will be fun the first times overkilling become boring veryfast

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Wow, you really didn't seem bothered completely gutting the context from my post lol.

I said it would require 'much more severely' reducing a person's stats in exchange.

In other words, making it so it wouldn't be overkill.

Also, every lowbie dungeon already is like Brayflox HM with a SCH+Cleric+Eos tanking.

Im with this all the way. The 1st reason is good enough: more fun!! I have no problem doing a low lvl on whatever job if I can use it all.. Now it really holds me back because of this. They can have it scale accordingly to not make it over powered.

I just don't buy it that people think its fun going PLD in tamtara with 3 abilities. Doing it because its not that bad isnt the same as fun.

SCH going into Sastasha... boring as hell. Still got Eos and Selene though with all abilities unlocked so wiping is never an issue, it's just boring as hell. I'd like for some more abilities to be unlocked, but not all.

I know they could never give us all our abilities, but how about this - give us all abilities that are CROSS CLASS. Seriously. Every other class can use them. I can use Stoneskin as a Scholar in Sastasha. With my fairy. Why can't a WHM going to Sastasha use Stoneskin? That just seems a little unfair. By being cross class, these abilities were designed to be allowed in any low level dungeon.



And to be completely honest, they need to swap the level that Gladiator gets Shield and Sword Oath. Because Sword Oath has literally NO USE outside level 50 or soloing. Pre-level 50 there is no instance where you may have two tanks and one needs to DPS. The extra DPS in low level dungeons is barely going to affect enmity. Do they really think a Gladiator in Sword Oath is going to out DPS an actual DPS class enough for it to matter in any way?

I have tried a low level Gladiator and a low level Marauder. Holding enmity as a Gladiator is 100x harder. Flash barely has any enmity gain on it at all, even going into a fight and using it 3x in a row the healer or a DPS attacking something other than your main target can easily steal it off you. As a Marauder you only have to Overpower twice at the start, weave your combo between enemies as you can, and Overpower like once more in the middle of that fight.

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Originally Posted by dejavutwo

What abilities would allow you to 1-shot mobs in lower dungeons? Everything is based on potency instead of base damage, so the high level skills will do significantly less damage at lower levels.

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well if you use your skills lvl 50 with the power lvl 50 and you face a mob lvl 15 you with HP lvl 15, you dont believe you will just one shot it more so if you are four with all the strenght lvl 50...see my point? the gap is so huge that, UNLESS your lvl 50 abilities are adjusted to lvl 15, meaning when they hit they lose 90 % of their real power, you just will one shot each mob and by that forbid newby to learn of their own skills that are actually meant for that dungeon...

not sure I can be more clear.

Mei

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Originally Posted by Legacy_Wolfwood

no one dying in any low level dungeon...ever. you just skip all fight mechanics and power through it all.

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This already happens with my SCH. I don't even heal in dungeons 20 and lower. Eos does the healing and I can DPS and have never had anyone die. IF someone stands in something bad, I can toss a heal and it will be fine.

I don't know about some of you, but when I'm moonlighting in Roulette I have to hold back on my damage output substantially else I'll steal hate at every group of mobs. And that's with just the actions I have available at the capped level ranges. Yes, I can and have pulled hate with just the poison shot and Bloodletter. Toss in my full rotations and the tank will never have hate ever, assuming I'm one of those idiotic Bards that believes you can manage hate in the face of full rotations with just the two hate management actions Bards have (which I thankfully am not). I dare not imagine how much hate a Dragoon or Monk can generate with their full rotations, given they are full DDs versus the Bard's support DD role.

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Originally Posted by Stanelis

No one actually dies in low level dungeons.

I second the OP request, tanking very low level dungeon is a true nightmare due to the lack of skills (not that it is hard, but it is rather incredibly boring and tedious).

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That's what WAR r for: Tanking haven for dungeon. Just toss up some Overpower. lol

And tedious? Even I can slack a bit as PLD while watching tv. I agree with the boring part tho, but then again... I am watching tv. lol

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Originally Posted by File2ish

Having Sako combo level inputs in the game would be awesome though ;D

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It'd be like Sabin from FF6, only more complicated. I totally want to suplex a train with a monk, now.

Greetings,

We do not have any plans at the moment to allow the use of higher level abilities when you are level capped.

On a somewhat related note, however, Yoshida mentioned during Letter from the Producer LIVE XIV that we will be looking into making adjustments to actions that are not used very much by each job.

This mean that Awareness and Shield Swipe from GLA/PLD are going to be looked at?
They're about as useful as BLM's Freeze in endgame content.

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Originally Posted by Fawkes

The thing that bothers me is that every class other than WHM can use stoneskin at those levels. At least make skills other people can use through cross-classing available.

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That's a bug though as it locks your allowed cross skills under 30 because of the job crystal. That's my guess anyway.

One Ilm Punch is not very useful either.

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Originally Posted by MeiUshu

well if you use your skills lvl 50 with the power lvl 50 and you face a mob lvl 15 you with HP lvl 15, you dont believe you will just one shot it more so if you are four with all the strenght lvl 50...see my point? the gap is so huge that, UNLESS your lvl 50 abilities are adjusted to lvl 15, meaning when they hit they lose 90 % of their real power, you just will one shot each mob and by that forbid newby to learn of their own skills that are actually meant for that dungeon...

not sure I can be more clear.

Mei

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You... completely missed the point and didn't understand what dejavutwo just said. I'll use MNK as an example. Dragonkick is it's lvl 50 ability and does 150 potency when done at the flank. Bootshine is the lvl 1 ability and does 150 potency. They'll do the same damage if they were both synced to low levels.

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Originally Posted by Saccharin

That's a bug though as it locks your allowed cross skills under 30 because of the job crystal. That's my guess anyway.

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If the person is on a class, they'll be able to use stoneskin at low levels. If they are on their job, only SCH and PLD will be able to slot it for low levels.

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Originally Posted by Camate

Greetings,

We do not have any plans at the moment to allow the use of higher level abilities when you are level capped.

On a somewhat related note, however, Yoshida mentioned during Letter from the Producer LIVE XIV that we will be looking into making adjustments to actions that are not used very much by each job.

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Feint could use some serious work then. Ring of Thorns also kind of awkward since it's only really very useful after heavy thrust. Fracture could use a small buff to be useful as a cross class skill. Skull Sunder along with many other cross class skills are utterly useless and makes cross classing extremely boring.

We still haven't fixed One Ilm Punch?
5 years later SE lol.

Tri-Disaster please.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...est-Megathread

I can't agree more with this...

Scale em all down... but please let my button mashing mechanically function the same for all content.

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Originally Posted by peaches

I know they could never give us all our abilities, but how about this - give us all abilities that are CROSS CLASS. Seriously. Every other class can use them. I can use Stoneskin as a Scholar in Sastasha. With my fairy. Why can't a WHM going to Sastasha use Stoneskin? That just seems a little unfair. By being cross class, these abilities were designed to be allowed in any low level dungeon.

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Because even in open world a lv 17 class can use Stoneskin if he have Conjurer on the righ level, while a Conjurer level 17 still can't use it.

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Originally Posted by Kikosho

You... completely missed the point and didn't understand what dejavutwo just said. I'll use MNK as an example. Dragonkick is it's lvl 50 ability and does 150 potency when done at the flank. Bootshine is the lvl 1 ability and does 150 potency. They'll do the same damage if they were both synced to low levels.

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Dragon Kick in first rotation and Bootshine in second rotation = more damage than Bootshine in both rotations. You also need to look to the special ability of the skills, not only to the potency.

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Originally Posted by Kenji1134

This mean that Awareness and Shield Swipe from GLA/PLD are going to be looked at?
They're about as useful as BLM's Freeze in endgame content.

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Freeze needs to go back to what it was in 1.0. Blizzard II should probably be looked at as well. I'm glad to hear they're at least aware of these "issues" and are looking into them.