If no one access a FC house in 35 Days you lose everything! Coming Patch 2.3 ><

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Originally Posted by Astralos

SE should really offer the option of a gil refund for those who want it and have bought houses/plots before this news was released to players. It was a really shady move to make up this new rule after the system was already in place.

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They mentioned this system in the 2.1 patch notes when housing was introduced, the only thing they didn't state was the inactivity time required for a house to be relinquished since the devs were still discussing it.

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Originally Posted by Starlord

Even for a S closely knitted FC for 10-20 ppl, surely at least one of those members will most likely be on way before the 35th day.

Put it this way, if you invested so much into a FC house in the first place, i would think it will be used not sitting around collecting dust.

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With that many people, yeah, it's reasonable to expect someone to go to it at least once. But I was getting at the "small family" or "several friends" bit I mentioned. I know of several FCs that are like that, where it's just a small group of friends (3-5). Some folks like to take breaks, and a month really isn't that long of a time period to lose an investment IMO. Namely when you consider monthly subscriptions tend to correlate heavily to monthly salaries/pay for some people. Something like 90 days might be a little extreme, given the circumstance, but a month (or rather 35 days) is a bit short to me.

i am just glad there isn't a certain number limit. i bought a house for me and my gf so it's just us two who owns the house.

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Originally Posted by Naunet

What an excellent attitude from a paying customer. Just let SE do whatever they want!

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You don't click "I agree" if you don't agree with what the terms state...I just know what I read before I hit I agree.

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Originally Posted by Naunet

What an excellent attitude from a paying customer. Just let SE do whatever they want!

No, thank you. It doesn't matter if they technically "can" do whatever they want. We have every right to tell them they shouldn't.



It is no one's business what I or anyone else does with our FC houses. Visit them daily, hang out ever couple weeks, decorate it up and then forget about it for a few months until some new decoration comes along... even just purchasing it and "letting it rot". It doesn't matter. It was the player(s)' gil and time. They do not deserve getting that taken from them.

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If they let them to just "sit and rot" regardless of gil put into them. It's one less space some other FC could use but can't because the Whole FC just doesn't care about it/not logged in for a long time.

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Originally Posted by Tupsi

You don't click "I agree" if you don't agree with what the terms state...I just know what I read before I hit I agree.

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You should read up on how valid MMO ToSes actually are in court.

I think it'll affect smaller FCs

But still, it not fair. Its not like there's a shortage of FC housing. Make it atleast 60 days.

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Originally Posted by Naunet

You should read up on how valid MMO ToSes actually are in court.

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I also read how often those who sue companies fail as well. See, my point is: You can't tell SE what they can and cannot do when you agree to the terms to play their product - You can feel it's wrong all you want, but it won't change the fact you agreed to them saying you own nothing.

If you're an investor, however, I apologize.

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Originally Posted by Welsper59

True for larger FC's, but what about the smaller ones? Perhaps any that might be owned by a small family (or just several friends). I mean, getting access to an S house is cheap enough these days, but it's pretty disappointing to take a short break and come back to not having your FC house and any decorations you invested into it lol.

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Aye, and like I said earlier (and what people quoted out of context), if even a smaller FC's members can't be arsed to check the house in more than a month, they don't need the house. I don't care if they're taking month+ long breaks or just not subscribing until the next content patch, their house is collecting dust and taking up a space perhaps some more active FC might want to use. The reasoning is solid especially if they don't intend to add any more wards, just the grace period seems a bit short (the same timeframe as automatic FC leader transfer if inactive)

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Originally Posted by Estellios

They mentioned this system in the 2.1 patch notes when housing was introduced, the only thing they didn't state was the inactivity time required for a house to be relinquished since the devs were still discussing it.

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Did they really mention it all the way back then? If so, then it's my mistake; I don't remember them saying so.

This is a horrible idea. If they spent so much on buying a home they shouldn't be limited by having to log in every 35 days. Sometimes FC's just need a break.
Its bad planning to have to rely on people to not log on to sell their plots as opposed to having more plots.

35 days is still pretty short though. A small FC that got a house are probably prople who already did most of the content.

It is not uncommon for people to not log in for atleast a month. This affects small FC than it does larger ones.

What president will this set? Once personal housing is established, will the same policy still exist? Will we need to subscribe on a monthly basis just to keep our home?

Right now this is not an issue for my small Free Company as we have several people who are REALLY into gardening. With a lot of college students in our small ranks, we have a cyclical playtime for a lot of our members. When finals, midterms or a heavy project comes due they prioritize REAL LIFE over game. Which is how it should be. Also, with summer coming a lot of us will be chosing to spend quality time with our family and kids, outside enjoying the sun and the pool. I feel a more reasonable time frame would be 60-90 days, if they intend to implement this system.

All in all the notion of reclaiming land is stupid as hell, as someone has said, the only reason they are doing this is because they are being cheap about servers. And all the counter arguments "if you don't go to your house for a long period, you don't NEED a house" is useless. No FC needs a house, they just WANT it. Also things like "Other FCs will benefit more instead of inactive houses", why not ask SE to make bigger lands instead of reclaiming it.

Reclaiming stuff just because you haven't used it for a while is thinking backwards. Wouldn't you hate it if you yourself took a break and all your hard earned gear was taken away, because another "adventurer" needed it? Or you neglected your level 10 chocobo for "35 days" and it ran away because you didn't call it once? Stupid right? What's yours is yours, FCs small or large worked really hard to acquire those houses, they've spent real time, real money and effort to acquire those houses. Again, this might not be a problem for bigger FCs but there will be problems for smaller ones.

As someone said this is also just a precedent to more stuff, just like with the retainers. Who knows what they'll put up on the mogstation for sale? Who knows what they'll "reclaim" in the future because they don't want to expand servers.

Yes, this is just another proof that Squee's servers are not only powered by hamsters but also that their server infrastructure was designed by hamsters. I can understand the argument of freeing space so that Wards do not get desserted, but this is plain stupid. It would be best if inactive houses were 'translocated' to unreacheable wards (think of it like a storage) and left there until the FC became active again. Then people could claim their house, which would be placed in a new ward.

But they won't do that because hamsters.

A good compromise might be to have a coupon for a free plot of land of the same size as what was reclaimed put into the guild bank (along with a bound copy of all the furniture). That way we don't have rows of empty houses as people quit the game, but FC's that take breaks for a while aren't punished too harshly.

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Originally Posted by chocomaid

Reclaiming stuff just because you haven't used it for a while is thinking backwards. Wouldn't you hate it if you yourself took a break and all your hard earned gear was taken away, because another "adventurer" needed it? Or you neglected your level 10 chocobo for "35 days" and it ran away because you didn't call it once? Stupid right? What's yours is yours, FCs small or large worked really hard to acquire those houses, they've spent real time, real money and effort to acquire those houses. Again, this might not be a problem for bigger FCs but there will be problems for smaller ones.

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+1000.


Larger FCs aren't really going to be effected at all. Its going to be a very small minority of FCs that will even have to possibly deal with this issue. SE just needs to spend the money on opening more Wards, 21 plots left in Mist on my server and most of them are small. If there are FCs that have the funds to buy a house, chances are they are waiting for a specific plot they want or to build near. So the problem isn't FCs taking up space, It's a lack of spaces people want. I don't have an issue with SE doing this but it needs to be handled better. Extended the time period or give a Land Deed/Building Permit to the FC leader. I don't know what the actual chances are for a FC to lose their house because of inactivity, But I fall into that category. My FC started with 7 and is now 2. Could I invite more players to my FC? I sure could, But I cant really offer anything raiding wise as I already have a static. This game doesn't even have content made for more than 8 players in a FC. Maybe the day when they add 24 man content made server side then having a bigger FC will become a thing for me.

This is going to start with FC housing and then move to Personal Housing when we get it in two years.

I don't feel like this is a good way to handle inactive FC housing.
If their intention was to solely free up room for more active FC, then it should try to promote the trade and bidding of land exchange.

I don't think evicting an inactive FC house would give an equal chance an active FC of obtaining a house. But instead turns into a 'first come first serve' basis, like the initial launch of housing.
You might instead have devoted people just loitering outside of an FC house looking at the time tick down. Is that what you really want, to further edge out the casual FCs for equal opportunity housing?

As for the end user who owns a FC house, being forcefully evicted is akin to removal of inactive player accounts.
No one want to lose things they have spent time and effort on obtaining. Regardless if they are actively using it or not.
They want to know when they return to a game, that their belongings are still there, and not completely robbed from them.

Either way, FC housing activities at the moment is still rather bare.
At best there are a few crafters there that runs between the house and near by market boards, with an occasional person tending the gardens.
At worst, people just AFK pose/dance there when there is nothing else to do.

Why not just add more wards?

Does SE not make enough money to afford decent servers? Are they too incompetent to set up and run decent servers? What is the reason why they can't just add more wards?

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Originally Posted by lackofwords

Either way FC housing activities at the moment is still rather bare.
At best there are a few crafters there that runs between the house and near by market boards with an occasional person tending the gardens.
At worst people just AFK dance there when there is nothing else to do

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There really isn't much to do in the house. But since I bought one a few weeks ago after months of savings, I'm there every day I'm on doing furnishings or just messing with my wife. Lots of stuff for housing to come in the future and it will be fun. One thing I liked about FFXI is my character was always there when I came back, No matter how long of a break I took. I had to take a break for over a year and it wasn't by choice but my mithra was always there ^^.

I also thought that SE said there was going to be some kind of way to sell Plots after they were purchased? Cause I swear I seen some people say some stuff about RMTs buying up plots of land and selling them.

4 years from now I dont want 19 wards where only 1/4 of each one is populated by an active house. Granted 35 days might be a bit early but its still more than fair. If you seriously think it should be left for all time even if no one is using it...thats not how instanced housing should be ran.

This is not how I expect nor want them to treat personal housing, but for FC housing its just fine with me.

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Originally Posted by Arkista

Like I said at the start This isn't going to effect very many Free Companies. But I believe it will effect a few small FCs like mine. Yes I get the reasoning behind it is to free up space for other Free Companies to get a chance at buying plots, But it is being handled the wrong way.

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I hate to break it too you but in my opinion two people don't count as an FC. 10 to 20 is a small FC. Further more I find it hard to believe that the entire FC would take a 2 to 3 month break at the same time.

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Originally Posted by Naunet

You should read up on how valid MMO ToSes actually are in court.

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Umm.. I have and to this date... Every legal challenge to EULAs and ToS's has... Failed.

I don't see a problem with this. Then again I remember Ultima Online when your house was condemned it would then in 48 hours litteraly explode with all your items on the ground where your house once stood.

Made NM camping seem tame.

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Originally Posted by Tandy

4 years from now I dont want 19 wards where only 1/4 of each one is populated by an active house. Granted 35 days might be a bit early but its still more than fair. If you seriously think it should be left for all time even if no one is using it...thats not how instanced housing should be ran.

This is not how I expect nor want them to treat personal housing, but for FC housing its just fine with me.

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That's valid, I suppose. Maybe 3 months at the lowest, with compensation of some kind would be reasonable. Or, you know, any number of other options other than take a little over a month break with your bros and lose a multi-million gil investment without any compensation. How is it that a random thread in the general discussion forum can produce better options than whatever the dudes in charge propose? It's crazy.

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Originally Posted by Dyvid

I hate to break it too you but in my opinion two people don't count as an FC. 10 to 20 is a small FC. Further more I find it hard to believe that the entire FC would take a 2 to 3 month break at the same time.

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I hate to break it to you, but your opinion is objectively wrong. A Free Company is clearly defined in game, and it can have a small number of people in it. And if you really can't believe a bunch of close friends couldn't take a break from the game (To, for example, play a different game together), then that's another personal problem for you.

"Hey guys, in my opinion pizza isn't edible. Pretend my stance is valid please."

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Originally Posted by Miburo

I hate to break it to you, but your opinion is objectively wrong. A Free Company is clearly defined in game, and it can have a small number of people in it. And if you really can't believe a bunch of close friends couldn't take a break from the game (To, for example, play a different game together), then that's another personal problem for you.

"Hey guys, in my opinion pizza isn't edible. Pretend my stance is valid please."

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I understand there are small FC's who may all play ONLY together and cancel subs together etc, but that is what? maybe 1% of the population? I know it sucks, but the housing has always been about the whole company....and a FC should be at least active enough to have 1 person log in once a month...its not too much to ask for in all honesty.

Heck if you only have 3 people ask a friend to make an alt who will log in once and month and reset the timer or something.

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Originally Posted by Tandy

I understand there are small FC's who may all play ONLY together and cancel subs together etc, but that is what? maybe 1% of the population? I know it sucks, but the housing has always been about the whole company....and a FC should be at least active enough to have 1 person log in once a month...its not too much to ask for in all honesty.

Heck if you only have 3 people ask a friend to make an alt who will log in once and month and reset the timer or something.

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Is it too much to ask to have the timer be at least 3 months instead? Isn't that also not too much to ask for, while being a more reasonable amount of time for something that involves destroying such a large in-game investment?

What SE giveth se taketh away.

Considering how hard some things are to get for the house this seems really bad.

Why can't they just invest in more server power?!
This is a massive company and yet with all the server excuses you'd think all of xiv is hosted on some girl's laptop in a japanese manga cafe basement.

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Originally Posted by Miburo

Is it too much to ask to have the timer be at least 3 months instead? Isn't that also not too much to ask for, while being a more reasonable amount of time for something that involves destroying such a large in-game investment?

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While I personally dont mind 30 days or 3 months I think no matter what, even if they said 1 year someone would still ask for it to be longer. While 3 months might be a more "attractive" option long term, it will still make someone mad...and then wheres the cut off? Its not feasible to leave them all forever, I think everyone deep down knows that.

Honestly I expect them to say 60 days or so when its all finalized, but that's just my prediction.

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Originally Posted by Tandy

I understand there are small FC's who may all play ONLY together and cancel subs together etc, but that is what? maybe 1% of the population? I know it sucks, but the housing has always been about the whole company....and a FC should be at least active enough to have 1 person log in once a month...its not too much to ask for in all honesty.

Heck if you only have 3 people ask a friend to make an alt who will log in once and month and reset the timer or something.

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I think it's just more along the lines that 35 days seems too quick of a time period. I doubt most against the 35 days thing think that 1 year is a good length of time to remove unused houses (or to never remove them, for that matter.

2 months (60 days) might be a better period of time to wait before destroying an FC's entire investment (not just the house, but everything inside, afterall). I personally think 60 days is a little long, but when you think about an alternative like 45 or 50 days, it just seems a little unusual of a number in the situation. Plus, even 35 days is fairly long for today's crowd to wait on any potential overflow of housing demand. We want things now! When? Now? That's too long, it needs to be faster than "now". Impatience can't distinguish variance of time. That being said, it really wouldn't make too great of a difference for people to wait on, compared to any complete elimination of some folks' investment.

Honestly, I think they chose that number mostly for the immediate future (2.3 release), to both notify people who are on breaks to start their subs again, and to help free up server space from those who won't. After the rush of personal housing (and potentially buying time to maybe get more servers), they'll probably extend the 35 day limit.

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Originally Posted by Tandy

4 years from now I dont want 19 wards where only 1/4 of each one is populated by an active house. Granted 35 days might be a bit early but its still more than fair. If you seriously think it should be left for all time even if no one is using it...thats not how instanced housing should be ran.

This is not how I expect nor want them to treat personal housing, but for FC housing its just fine with me.

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I understand your sentiments, as too I feel that way.
However, that 'abandonment' of a 'dead' FC is only natural and has been mainly dealt with on the user end, not moderated by the creators.

People will always re-shuffle their FC/LS as the social ties and activity decay away on their own terms, but here SE literally defined an 'active' FC in terms of someone playing within a 35 day period (in the FC house).
Those who would suffer the most are smaller FC and more casual FC, as they will most likely lose their plot first, and also be shafted when trying to fight to buy a plot.

I don't agree no accessing for 35days equal to you don't need it.
For example, do you agree to remove any of your minions or mounts have not been summoned in 35days as you don't need it?

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Originally Posted by Nicobo

I don't agree no accessing for 35days equal to you don't need it.
For example, do you agree to remove any of your minions or mounts have not been summon in 35days as you don't need it?

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Comparison makes no sense - Minions take up no server resources if left alone. Inactive housing you can fix the 'congestion' by getting rid of inactive ones because after over a month, it's not getting use or it would have been used in those 35 days. You can keep building ontop of it and eventually you just cause more problems than solve.

Dont expect to buy a house and quit the game and keep the house forever.

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Originally Posted by Tupsi

Comparison makes no sense - Minions take up no server resources if left alone. Inactive housing you can fix the 'congestion' by getting rid of inactive ones because after over a month, it's not getting use or it would have been used in those 35 days. You can keep building ontop of it and eventually you just cause more problems than solve.

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Maybe once they make houses more useful this works. Right now there is very little reason to enter my house.

My question is does tending my garden count as "using my house"?

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Originally Posted by Seif

This is a massive company and yet with all the server excuses you'd think all of xiv is hosted on some girl's laptop in a japanese manga cafe basement.

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That would explain quite a few things...

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Originally Posted by Wicc

I mean, in my FC only a few people are actively in that house due to other things to do like end game and leveling. So lets say the active people take a break. Suddenly its a chore to make sure we don't lose our houses.

I mean, I say make it to where if the FC itself isn't active for 35 days, then to forfeit the house. That way you know for sure the FC is dead instead of they just aren't in the house all the time.

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So long 1 member in your FC is active, he can spend 2 minutes to visit the house once in a month.

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Originally Posted by Merciless

Maybe once they make houses more useful this works. Right now there is very little reason to enter my house.

My question is does tending my garden count as "using my house"?

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Personally I would assume so. I would even argue that just teleporting to it counts, since that is technically interacting with something in the yard. With the perma-favorite and the new instant teleport to the linked city, there's no reason NOT to use that as your main way to return to whatever city your housing area belongs to.

Suddenly the idea of "big" (they @#$%ing tiny!) housing wards doesn't seem all that great eh? I'd imagine it's only going to get worse when personal housing comes out.

Meanwhile, I haven't played XI in almost 3 years but if I reactive my account my mog house will be there waiting for me exactly how I left it. My items are still there, no squatters will have moved in and taken over, etc.

35 days is PLENTY of time. Every other MMO with personal housing makes you lose it after 2 weeks of nonpayment.

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Originally Posted by MurakumoMillennium

Meanwhile, I haven't played XI in almost 3 years but if I reactive my account my mog house will be there waiting for me exactly how I left it. My items are still there, no squatters will have moved in and taken over, etc.

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But there's nothing special about your mog house since it's instanced.