dose anyone miss the old way of lvling up insted of fates (plz read)

Okay, in hindsight I admit that was something of an exaggeration on my part, so I'm sorry for wording it like that. But the point is, fighting a higher level mob does not give extra exp you wouldn't otherwise get for fighting an enemy around your own level, which is how exp parties were viable in the first place in FFXI.

Really you're just better off doing a levequest or a FATE than bothering fighting random enemies, as the FATEs/leves give you an exp boost for doing it - it's not the individual enemies that are the point of fighting but the exp bonus at the end.

I'm not sure how it is now.. but my guild has actually done this, in the current world. There are certain camps where it is possible, and it is absolutely a viable leveling option. I didn't participate when my guild did it, as I don't enjoy that.. but they did gain exp at a level that was equal, if not a bit better, than what others were getting fate grinding at that time. Just like in the FFXI world though, some camps are better for this than others because of mob density, and it is important to keep a chain going. Here's a reddit thread to get you going:

http://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comments/1mswm8/

Good luck finding people to do it with you.

Thank you Sunarie that is the most contribution to the thread that i have seen posted. im not sure how long ago this was but last i remember fighting higher lvl mobs dident really give you a exp boost like it did in ffxi like say going to qufim at lvl 20 and fighting worms. im not saying that they are going to up the exp of all the mobs but maby bring back a boost like if we are to kill a mob 5-10 lvls higher then us give us just a bit of a jump in exp that way we arent totaly reliant on the chain i havent totaly read all the reddit thread but im defenitly going to bookmark that thread and read into it alot more i am verry thankfull for the post and as soon as i get my first paycheck and can reactivate my acount im defentitly testing this out cause if i can lvl the old way that is the way i would prefer and maby if people actualy get out there and do it anyway maby they will give us the lill bit of a bost for killing higher lvl this may have allready been done but i have been off for a lill bit due to losing my job and not being able to aford it if i am just blowing smoke and they have allready done this tell me so that way i can shut the fuck up. again thank you verry much and have a wonderfull day and kill some random mob for me in 14

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Originally Posted by Enkidoh

Because mobs are set up to automatically link on everything if you try pulling them on a party, meaning it's impossible to 'camp' them. Plus mobs are also leashed to a specific spot so you can't pull them from a long distance like you used to in FFXI. And the exp you get from a mob that's ten-twenty levels higher than you is just the same as the exp you get for a mob that's ten levels below you.

Hence, although nothing is indeed stopping you from doing an old-school FFXI style exp party, it's not worth it really in the long run, even assuming you can find people willing to do that - especially when it's easier to just do FATEs for the same exp and get a bonus at the end too.

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I have to check but I dont think that is true.

I don't miss logging into ffxi, waiting in one spot for 3+ hours trying to find a group, being unsuccessful, then logging out because I have to sleep/go to work. Rinse and repeat the next day, sometimes actually finding a group after 2 hours, to only grind for maybe 30 minutes or an hour.

THAT'S JUST ME, THOUGH...

if exping on mobs equaled the instanced exp i would do it, but it doesn't.
rerunning the same instance gets really tiring and i don't know if its just me but it feels like i'm confined into a little box when all i do are instances

i like to be out in the world and kill mobs like the OP
but the way the game is, you can't pull mobs without linking and the xp sucks compared to dungeons

/wrists /wrists

yea ninesunz that is how i fell i dont spam instances or anything i put up with fates and bossycow when i was playing 11 we alwase had a preset group of friends that would get together and grind for a while and if i was gona sit around i was alwase looking for a party just to meet new people thats part of the aspect that i like about the old way but that is me i dident mind the wait cause as it is now i am waiting like that for duty finder in end game for primal fights or dungeons to get tomes or something havent made it to the beter endgame

You mean old way of leveling where people have to learn their jobs, their party members play style, coordination and each of their skills in order to be efficient?

Yeah, good luck feeding that to these new generation.



We like seeing level 50brd asking whether he knows what ballad is used for.

lol yea exactly synapse that is something i have even said is the old style partys would force people to learn how to play there jobs and even how to play to best suit there party members if you where to keep the same group going for a long time and go on to do high lvl dungeons that are 8mand and what not

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-yleEs15g51...-face-palm.png

Honestly what is the difference from running dungeons for xp and camping having a puller bring mobs to you? I found it very boring sitting in the same spot for hours, hence the reason I play Final Fantasy 14.

Keep in mind my experience was the first 2 years of NA release.

I actually really enjoyed the leveling in ffxi for some strange reason. Perhaps it was that every group had to communicate, from weapon chains, trick attack, to whether the casters had enough mana for the next pull in order to optimize the speed of killing. Since every enemy could kill you and because death came with such a high penalty (especially after 60), there was a certain thrill of the fight because there was some real danger to it. Also, you always wanted to perform your best, because a bad rep meant it was more difficult to find parties in the future. And since everybody in the group just wanted to kill as fast as possible, everybody was all on the same page. You didn't have some people wanting to open all the chests for gear, and others wanting to play it safe, and others wanting to do speed runs, or others running around in spiritbonding gear purposely gimping your run. It got even better the higher level you got as bad players were weeded out in the lower levels.

Of course the drawback to all that was that you needed a party (usually a competent party) to do anything for most jobs. Which could mean hours of waiting around LFG. And while the death penalty provided a thrill to play with, since it did actually hurt, you had to deal with hours of progress lost if you get a bad party. And it was overly punitive after 60, where a single death could mean as much as a day's worth of progress lost, which could only be mitigated adequately by a specific class (only WHM had raise 2 at the time).

But FFXIV is a different animal. At its core is the idea of accessibility. Ease of leveling, ease of grouping, ease of gearing (ie: myth to buy the best equipment from running entry level 50 dungeons). A heavy death penalty doesn't work with that. Mediocre players don't either (because they pay to play too). And when you remove that, then you have to dumb down the necessary communication and coordination or it's going to lead to a lot of frustration. So for FFXIV, grinding would just be that. A mindless, quiet grind, worse than what fates or dungeons offer.

The FFXI grind was dependent on FFXI's unforgiving design. You take that away and it's just a mindless grind with nothing good about it.

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Originally Posted by Nekodar

What exactly prevents you from making a party and just head to a zone with enemies that are 10+ levels higher than you and start murdering mobs?

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Your only limitation is getting some people together to do something like this.

its not the fact that you have a puller bring mobs and i dont run dungeons for exp i run them for gear exp is an upside and it still wouldent hurt to have the aspect of good exp from siting with some friends killing stuff at a camp and if puller dose it right you should never just be siting there at one spot you should alwase be doing something

giantbane the aspect that whitch you described ffxi perfectly captures what ive been trying to get acros im not saying copy and paste but ffxiv is to casual and to easy i miss the fact that if you had a crap party you where screwed out of more then time i also miss the rewards that you would get if you put a exalent party together i personly joind like right after lvlsync was implamented or right befor been so long cant rember but i liked hearing my cusins storys where 6 friends would go from 10-75 by seting times to start party and everyone stoping when the party was done i wish they could kinda bring that aspect into 14 id even be ok with no lvlsync for thos partys i mean get a group of friends lvl said jobs to 50 together then gear them i mean there is a lill leanincy on lvl difrence 1 maby 2 lvls apart from the person that has the midle lvl is ok but no more i would say keeps people together forces them to learn job and lets you meet new people and get to know them cause your together for more then just the 1 party.personly when i played 11 i had no life i could spend close to 20 hours playing one party go to sleep wake up get back in party and then they would lvlsync back to me once a spot opend that is also a fact of which i miss altho the 20 hour days of playing are no more seeing as how i have to get a job

As far as I know you can still do the long slow grind of leveling up by not doing FATEs and only doing dungeons to progress to the story and for fun.

FATEs are optional and you can make a party to level up the way you want.

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Thank you Sunarie that is the most contribution to the thread that i have seen posted. im not sure how long ago this was but last i remember fighting higher lvl mobs dident really give you a exp boost like it did in ffxi like say going to qufim at lvl 20 and fighting worms.

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Judging from the thread (like I said, I dislike that style so I haven't personally done it), it's not that you get more exp per mob. The key is that you're staying at one spot as long as you possibly can, and pulling in such a way that your skill chain gets really high. If you can't keep the skill chain up, then it isn't going to be worth it. I would venture a guess that if you're a tank, or possibly a healer... in which dungeon queues are short, you'll level faster through dungeons. However if you're a dps, you may level faster through this method.

I do miss it. I also miss true support classes.

i plan on lvling every class but you know(i know i bring up 11 alot but that was my long term mmo that they royaly fucked thats a totaly difrent subject tho)in 11 you dident have to build the chain to make it worth it the chain was just what made it faster and was a bounus

I loved sitting in a camp killing mobs. Had one guy pulling everything back to us. It was a lot of fun - lots of chatting between pulls, etc every fight was epic too.

The leveling back then in FFXIV 1.0 was challenging, a lot harder, especially for tank and healer but also lots of fun compared to the current leveling system.

I don't really know how to play my SCH & SMN until 50 and start doing some dungeon run since I was leveling them through FATE.

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The leveling back then in FFXIV 1.0 was challenging, a lot harder, especially for tank and healer but also lots of fun compared to the current leveling system.

I don't really know how to play my SCH & SMN until 50 and start doing some dungeon run since I was leveling them through FATE.

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Sometimes in the old Coerthas(dreams..), we have the mobile raptor camps, where we run around killing raptors lol, i had most of my class to level 50 that way, before Level hack came and stopped that.