T5 Nerfed

My group never runs the tank into conflag, so guess this won't effect us at all. We found it better to have the guy stay out and heal him.

Yeah we noticed these changes last night. My group usually has the MT run into Conflag whenever it's up, so they're having to adjust to the MT eating Death Sentence during Conflags now.

OT: How are you guys dealing with the 2 healers in Conflag problem now? Do you have the MT run in if Death Sentence appears, and the OT walk over to MT's position?

So does anyone have an estimated HP nerf on Conflags and Snakes?

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Originally Posted by Pyretta_Blaze

Makes me sad. I wanted to get my clear before any more nerfing happened :(

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Same here...I didn't expect it to be nerfed this patch.

My group has been attempting it for quite some time, but due to real life issues/attendance issues haven't been able to reliably. I knew it was being nerfed in 2.2 but already? Kind of a kick while I'm down feeling, but whatever.

As if people you don't know or won't have any sort of interaction with you in game actually care if you beat it before or after nerfs.. Prestige? LOL Get over yourselves.

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Originally Posted by Lecreuset

As if people you don't know or won't have any sort of interaction with you in game actually care if you beat it before or after nerfs.. Prestige? LOL Get over yourselves.

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It is more about the competitive mindset rather than prestige, really.

My group wanted to down turn 5 before the nerfs for personal satisfaction. As long as people keep that to personal goals rather than bragging rights, I see nothing wrong with that mindset.

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Originally Posted by Pyretta_Blaze

Makes me sad. I wanted to get my clear before any more nerfing happened :(

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this is how i feel, this is the post i made on reddit about the same topic

"i'm not sure how to feel about the t5 changes
i don't have a kill yet because the static i was in barely spent time in t5 and broke up and i've wanted to down it before 2.2 but i feel like this will sort of diminish my win
yet at the same time it will be easier to find dps who don't fail on conflags and snakes"

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Originally Posted by SilvanNosty

So does anyone have an estimated HP nerf on Conflags and Snakes?

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33% on Conflags, unknown on snake. BUT, it's only the large snake that had HP reduced, not the small ones (from what reddit tells me).

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Originally Posted by Pyretta_Blaze

Makes me sad. I wanted to get my clear before any more nerfing happened :(

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Agreed. :( Not too happy that they snuck changes in.

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Originally Posted by Teeko

It is more about the competitive mindset rather than prestige, really.

My group wanted to down turn 5 before the nerfs for personal satisfaction. As long as people keep that to personal goals rather than bragging rights, I see nothing wrong with that mindset.

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Other posts in the thread say otherwise lol

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Originally Posted by Noahlimits

33% on Conflags, unknown on snake. BUT, it's only the large snake that had HP reduced, not the small ones (from what reddit tells me).

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33%? Those things should never blow for any group again, lol.

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Originally Posted by Lecreuset

Other posts in the thread say otherwise lol

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I'll be blunt...I don't care what they say. I'm personally annoyed they changed this fight before the patch they said they would, and altered mechanics for seemingly no reason.

Most pug groups can get past conflags anyhow.
Making icons different sizes wasn't really a buff or nerf.
Who cares anyhow 2.2 around the corner, new adventures, and challenges.
My group will be going through t5 when our whm returns this week. I'd rather go with my judgment then reddits at this point. Their parser-bannable claims are still running around. Untill then I will wait for SE/Devs responses.

Lets see... who should we trust when it comes to whether or not a particular piece of content needs to be be adjusted.

Now on one hand we have the game developers, the people who have access to records of how many people have beaten the content and perhaps even have compiled data on how far groups manage to make it and which parts trip people up...

And on the other hand we have people who have been lucky enough to beat the content mad that they believe all of the noobs out there will be able to pug T5 on their first try and their shiny equipment will no longer make them the awesome kid on the block.

I don't know why... but I kinda want to go with the first one...

Does anyone happen to have a screenshot of the new Divebomb marker?

And did they change the size of Fireball/Conflag markers as well? It sucks having a party of varying heights sometimes.

Did t5 to see how the changes are. It's quite literally easy as hell now. Big in your face icons, lower hp conflags/snakes. Oh well.

I think conflags needed to be nerfed. The dps check on them was quite ridiculous.

OF Post by Yoshida

T2 and T5 had unintended changes so it'll be reverted back soon.

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Originally Posted by Kikosho

OF Post by Yoshida

T2 and T5 had unintended changes so it'll be reverted back soon.

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aka Whoops. Those weren't meant to go live till 2.2. Sorry about that.

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Originally Posted by DragonSlayer45

Then Turn 4's enrage should just automatically wipe everyone. Ever hear of "Soft Enrage"?

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here is the fault with that, a soft enrage should still wipe the party. Not instantly, but shouldn't be able to keep it going on and on and on..

The biggest issue is that people who couldn't even understand the concept of passing rot were just plowing it, completely avoiding the mechanics in the fight. Unintended.. When you're getting people in pugs who say "I've never done it that way" then there is an issue.

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Originally Posted by LunarEmerald

I think conflags needed to be nerfed. The dps check on them was quite ridiculous.

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Can't tell if you are serious or not? The conflags were hardly a big dps check.

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Originally Posted by Zarzak

Because not everyone has the WoW mentality of "It isn't top tier so its worthless"

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Never said or implied that it's worthless, the people that seems uppity about these nerfs are the ones that don't want anyone else to have allagan weapons pretty much unless on the same terms as them or they just want bragging rights.

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Originally Posted by Kikosho

OF Post by Yoshida

T2 and T5 had unintended changes so it'll be reverted back soon.

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Good, now they need to work on QA...because it was terrible for this patch.

T5 was pretty aggravating for me tonight, but I guess those that wanted more randomness will rejoice.

- First adds don't turn towards who they're casting Liquid Hell on
- Timing of Fireballs seemed more random than before. Prior to the patch it seemed to go Fireball > Conflag > Fireball > Fast Conflag. We had fireballs appearing at exactly the same time and after the Fast Conflags appeared

If your fireball timing is "off", you are pushing Twintania into Conflag phase faster or slower than you normally do. It has nothing to do with the bugged changes that are currently hitting T5 right now.

Just did t5 tonight and twin kept auto attacking our tank right on death sentence and killing our tank. Did they make this happen more often or something? So the HP for conflags and snakes are not staying? Why even revert them back if they are just changing again in 2.2?

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Originally Posted by Pinworms

Just did t5 tonight and twin kept auto attacking our tank right on death sentence and killing our tank. Did they make this happen more often or something? So the HP for conflags and snakes are not staying? Why even revert them back if they are just changing again in 2.2?

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What I got out of it is that the changes were adjustments for 2.2 but weren't ready or finished bug testing yet they got put in the 2.16 build by accident, they are reverting them back to 2.15, but they will be put back in once 2.2 is ready.

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Originally Posted by Pinworms

Just did t5 tonight and twin kept auto attacking our tank right on death sentence and killing our tank. Did they make this happen more often or something? So the HP for conflags and snakes are not staying? Why even revert them back if they are just changing again in 2.2?

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Messed with t5 tonight to see the changes...

Honestly felt like conflags are exactly the same. Feels like snakes might have less hp though.

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Originally Posted by Blazer

Honestly felt like conflags are exactly the same. Feels like snakes might have less hp though.

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We were working on t5 tonight as well, and none of us noticed a difference in conflag HP. I do, however, like the larger markers. My eyesight is pretty horrible, so the larger size helped a lot. I hope that's not one of the things they revert. :/

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Originally Posted by Alkimi

Bads will still die to divebombs, get one-shotted by DS and trap half their party in conflags. All these small nerfs are doing is lowering the dps checks a bit.

I wouldn't worry about terrible players getting Allagan weapons just yet.

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I thought we had discovered, in another thread, that you had not actually beaten it yet. :o

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Originally Posted by juniglee

Yeah we noticed these changes last night. My group usually has the MT run into Conflag whenever it's up, so they're having to adjust to the MT eating Death Sentence during Conflags now.

OT: How are you guys dealing with the 2 healers in Conflag problem now? Do you have the MT run in if Death Sentence appears, and the OT walk over to MT's position?

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Assuming this isn't reverted soon, you could just have your tanks..I don't know..use their one-shot prevention abilities instead of being lazy in the last phase with liquid hell.

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Originally Posted by Headl3anger

Yes. Difficult content should be difficult. Lesser players reaping the rewards for the most difficult content makes those rewards less prestigious. I can think of a number of players who are bad DPS that will probably complete T5 this week when they never would have been capable before.

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instanced casual mmo with GCD and giant red indicators for ae's

I doubt anyone could make a difficult encounter in such a game in the first place.

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Originally Posted by Hitome

Assuming this isn't reverted soon, you could just have your tanks..I don't know..use their one-shot prevention abilities instead of being lazy in the last phase with liquid hell.

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Liquid hell? I'm talking about Conflags... o_O

Seeing as Twintania now focuses the 2nd highest in the enmity list, at least to me it would make sense to have the MT run in the Conflag if he sees Death Sentence, and the OT move to MT's position until Conflag is down, if 2 healers are inside the Conflag.

getting fixed, grats.. now you can try and have your "prestige" ;)

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Originally Posted by Teeko

I'll be blunt...I don't care what they say. I'm personally annoyed they changed this fight before the patch they said they would, and altered mechanics for seemingly no reason.

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well then, It's a good thing I didn't specifically mention You, Teeko, on that.. But hey it got fixed so people can try to get their awesome bragging rights with a bit more time.

Did it last night.

I'm pretty sure conflags were untouched. If they were, it definitely wasn't something like 33% less hp.
The big snake did die super fast though.

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Originally Posted by Gandora

Oh here we go again, ppl worrying for their irrelevant Ego & epeen, do you need a kleenex?

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Judging from your response in the other thread, I think it's more envy on your part. :X

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Originally Posted by juniglee

Liquid hell? I'm talking about Conflags... o_O

Seeing as Twintania now focuses the 2nd highest in the enmity list, at least to me it would make sense to have the MT run in the Conflag if he sees Death Sentence, and the OT move to MT's position until Conflag is down, if 2 healers are inside the Conflag.

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If both healers are in the conflag. and your tank is about to be death sentenced, it's just as easy to pop hallowed or holmgang. Most tanks save these two abilities for either the snake phase or the liquid hell x5 of the last phase.

I agree: actually using your OT is the more wise alternative. However, remember that the 2nd highest person on threat will not be ensnared in conflag. so this takes the advantage away if you make sure your strongest DPS is #2 on enmity (over your OT) so he is always up for short conflags.

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Originally Posted by mmcsky

The feel of achievement is so enthusiastic on this thread, Oh noes you defeated the most difficult enemy on a make believe world, you must definitely run for President!

Really guys? All this sense of accomplishment over a game? I would wish that you would carry that attitude over to real life, you would be a very accomplished person ( because anything accomplished in real life has more value than virtual data floating in hard disks somewhere).

A game is a game is a game, once it stops the fun and the competition begins, it becomes a sport. This is NOT a sport, and even then if it was, are you winning real money to be even proud of it?

You think content is too easy? Stop playing! Go do something else!

March is my last month of FF14, because I have plans for other MMOs and I can safely say that I regret not a single penny spend on this game, but I grew bored (though still I have things I could do to kill that boredom) and I think having fun in a game is more important than competition without benefit.

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Can't get more casual than this.

People who cant clear twin now, won't clear twin after the so called nerf. It seems like the biggest "nerf" was conflag HP, and most PUGs already get passed conflag with no problem. Snake HP isnt a big deal either, I havent seen people die because the snake had too much HP, they die because of divebombs, because they dont know what to do during divebomb/snake, or because of twisters. The nerf might allow groups who were very close to win, to actually win, but baddies will still be baddies, and won't be clearing T5 any time soon.

As far as nerfing T5 for the update, yes, it needs to be nerfed, so that everyone can progress up to T6. It would be retarded to release T6-T9 when people cant even beat T5 and they'll never experience T6 and above

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Originally Posted by Bankai305

People who cant clear twin now, won't clear twin after the so called nerf. It seems like the biggest "nerf" was conflag HP, and most PUGs already get passed conflag with no problem. Snake HP isnt a big deal either, I havent seen people die because the snake had too much HP, they die because of divebombs, because they dont know what to do during divebomb/snake, or because of twisters. The nerf might allow groups who were very close to win, to actually win, but baddies will still be baddies, and won't be clearing T5 any time soon.

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Everything this. I am so surprised by the number of elitist in the forums and on my server. It's a game. Who gives a crap if other people get a chance to enjoy the content? You can still feel better if you did it first or faster, while supporting those people that are still attempting to advance in the content.

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Originally Posted by Pwnznewbz

Everything this. I am so surprised by the number of elitist in the forums and on my server. It's a game. Who gives a crap if other people get a chance to enjoy the content? You can still feel better if you did it first or faster, while supporting those people that are still attempting to advance in the content.

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I agree with everything Breoc said except that I am not surprised. Elitism is like war: it never changes.

I did T1-T5 last night. I honestly did not notice anything except LB3 was easy to get even though we have 2x PLDs. I hope the changes to LB are intended as it was really nice ^^.

Aside from that Conflag is still 11k~ health according to ACT and we never have the tank goes in conflag so I honesty did not notice anything here. As for the sanke, for the first time since we started killing Twin we had LB3 and so the snake died way too early but I really think this is due to LB3.

I'm just saying I did not see any nerf, not denying anything else.