Constantly kicked for watching cutscenes

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Originally Posted by Ymbryne

Watch them later in your inn room. People generally don't want to cater to your "first time immersive experience."

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Why would you play an Online game with others that is known for Cutscenes and then say something like this??? I would do like the first person said that responded and report them for abuse. If you dont want to play well with others then stay the hell inside.

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Originally Posted by it3fergie

Why would you play an Online game with others that is known for Cutscenes and then say something like this??? I would do like the first person said that responded and report them for abuse. If you dont want to play well with others then stay the hell inside.

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To be fair, the game isnt really "known" for cutscenes in group content, outside of CM/Praetorium. You could make an argument that they are there for the 4 man dungeons that are needed for story, but they change after the first time you go through the dungeon, they dont repeat like CM/Prae.

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Originally Posted by LordSaviour

I didn't read the whole thread because, who has time for that...

At any time do you let the group know that you plan to watch the CS because it is your first go?

Or do you just stay silent, leaving people to believe you are afk in a CS, leeching??

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If that is the case why should we not also kick the people that dont roll on items or by that matter at a dps meter to the game and then kick those people that dont meet your requirements as well.

I agree with others that if you want a Speed run then form your own party and dont use the Roulette when you dont want to play nice with others.

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Originally Posted by it3fergie

I agree with others that if you want a Speed run then form your own party and dont use the Roulette when you dont want to play nice with others.

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Well, there is no reason to do a speed run, or even run it at all outside of the Roulette, WP is faster for the same amount of Philo + 30 myth + gear if you need it or for alts.

If watching cutscenes during the actual duty instead of watching all of them at your leisure in the inn is that important to someone, they can start up a PF and put in that they want to watch cutscenes. It is actually a template choice alongside speed/efficiency, etc.

As it stands, a majority of the players have already seen the cutscenes and have no desire to either watch them again or sit and wait for 1-2 people in an 8-man party to finish watching them. this is why PF exists - so that like-minded individuals can form a party and play together.

That all being said, the act of kicking a player for watching cutscenes is a form of harassment and can be reported. This kind of behavior should not become the norm. However, I see no problem with someone watching the cutscenes being left behind and getting locked out of bosses. It's their choice to value the cutscenes more than the battles and they can't simply expect 7 other people who can readily clear the battles 1 man down to just sit and wait for them.

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Originally Posted by am0n

You can't be any more wrong. It was created to help new players complete content they needed to progress their story. And it's a safe assumption that since it's their first time, they'd like to watch the cutscenes. The bonus associated with it is there to give people an incentive to join up and help them complete said content, at the pace of the new player.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...812-02-2013%29

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You're taking two statements in different contexts and putting them together. Read it again.

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Originally Posted by Kabooa

You're taking two statements in different contexts and putting them together. Read it again.

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I read it three times, just for you. And I am still correct, and you still wrong.

Low-level Roulette and Story Roulette was put in place for people to help newer players get through story-gating content. The reward you get (bonus tomestones) is for your time/patience in helping them. If you want more tomestones, they explicitly say the High-level Roulette is for you.

Read it a few times yourself.

Get through it.

Nothing about watching it.

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Originally Posted by Kabooa

Get through it.

Nothing about watching it.

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I don't think you fully understand how new players experience content that is new to them. For many, it's not skipping. It's implied. Get over yourself.

I said nothing about newer players. What I said is about roulette. Roulette was made so newer players get their pops so they don't get blocked. It's that simple.

It wasn't made for a tourist.

I hate rewatching cut scenes in the inn room. On my first trip through Praetorium the group insisted I skip the CSs because they wanted to speed run, and I was fine with it at the time, just wanting the win to get through the story. But when I rewatched the CSs later in my inn room, it was just a disjointed mess. Without the frame work of the game play it all meant nothing to me. I was angry that I'd let them dictate the terms of my experiencing the story.

So I understand both perspectives. Those who have done it a thousand times don't want to wait. While those who are doing it for the first time are expected to experience it as though they already done it a thousand times.

Personally, because of my own experience, if someone's doing it for their first time I'll give them the opportunity to watch the CSs, and I'll speak out against someone who's telling them to skip. I've never been kicked for it, but if I am, so be it. I'll just report them. If the player volunteers that they're willing to skip the CSs, that's different, but I don't want anyone to feel forced to. It's only a difference of mere minutes. It can take longer to get a replacement after kicking someone than it does to watch CSs.

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Originally Posted by Ymbryne

Watch them later in your inn room. People generally don't want to cater to your "first time immersive experience."

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I disagree. If you intentionally queue up for a "story" dungeon or story roulette, you don't go become one of those assholes who vote people out for watching cut scenes. And at least have the decency to wait for them to start a boss fight.

At OP, if you enter any story instance, I would recommend announcing you watch cut scenes right at the beginning so that folks have a heads up. If they're gonna be douches and vote you out then, then at least it's before stuff gets started.

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Originally Posted by Fiosha_Maureiba

I disagree. If you intentionally queue up for a "story" dungeon or story roulette, you don't go become one of those assholes who vote people out for watching cut scenes. And at least have the decency to wait for them to start a boss fight.

At OP, if you enter any story instance, I would recommend announcing you watch cut scenes right at the beginning so that folks have a heads up. If they're gonna be douches and vote you out then, then at least it's before stuff gets started.

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Just get a screen cap before you announce it, so you know who to report if they do vote kick you.

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Originally Posted by it3fergie

If that is the case why should we not also kick the people that dont roll on items or by that matter at a dps meter to the game and then kick those people that dont meet your requirements as well.

I agree with others that if you want a Speed run then form your own party and dont use the Roulette when you dont want to play nice with others.

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Idk if you have played enough to realize that people tend to afk in CM or Prae. Going AFK in a CS is a common way to do so. So if OP never mentioned that he is actually taking the time to watch these CSs and not AFK. Most people would say No Problem, As he is probably lower iLvl and wouldn't really make that big of an impact on the Win.

Why would you kick people that don't Lot items?? That is Silly.

A SE developed DPS meter would be nice. Tired of going into a Duty Finder and Party Finder runs only to find we can't win due to improper mechanics and DPS not honing their arts.

Best instance of this would be a BLM using DEX Jewelry and saying that it doesn't affect his DPS. Or the DRG who didn't use Heavy Thrust from Flank....

Some of them are not shown as story, but fall under the dungeon category (the two Castrum story dungeons for example). As far as I have seen, they are all viewable there. They just might not be listed in the way you would expect them to be.

I do think it is a dick move to outright kick someone for it unless they have been repeatedly asked not to. However, please remember that most people are doing this for their daily roulette and want to move on to something else quickly. It also eats from the dungeon completion time (with the exception of the very first introductory cutscene to the dungeon).

If it really gets to you, try to make a static dungeon group of people who want to watch them as well (or at least don't mind the wait).

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Originally Posted by Hocchi

Report them for abusing the kicking sytem, move on.

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this won't do anything, its almost unprovable of wrongdoing unless they "video archived" everything that happens in this game, which is impossible.

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Originally Posted by Imapooonu

You care about no one but yourself, shuffle the blame of "bad design" onto others, and find it hilarious when people kick people in violation of the ToS agreement....

...gotchya, how quaint.

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I am absolutely confused with what you're trying to point out? Hmmm, I care about no one but myself, and this is suppose to be wrong? If the design is flawed, why not try to work around it instead of wasting your own time on stupid things when you could do better things? And I guess you took it so literally when I say I find it "funny?" (strange, weird, awkward)? Lol, please come back and enlighten me, I really don't know what you are trying to point out.

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Originally Posted by Squa

this won't do anything, its almost unprovable of wrongdoing unless they "video archived" everything that happens in this game, which is impossible.

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It would also be bad for business to ban 7/8 people in the dungeon :p

Being denied cutscenes is no worse than holding someone up from proceeding through the dungeon, both parties are disrupting the other's experience. If you want things done a certain way, build your own party and agree to common terms. If you do not do this, do not expect to be catered to. Please take personal responsibility.

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Originally Posted by MegaMaxwell

Being denied cutscenes is no worse than holding someone up from proceeding through the dungeon, both parties are disrupting the other's experience.

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There's only one first time though. Once you hit the grind a slower dungeon is only a minor inconvenience, a slightly slower path towards the next whatever piece of armor you have. I find that vastly different in comparison to potential ruination of one's immersion and experience with the story.

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Originally Posted by Moontide

There's only one first time though. Once you hit the grind a slower dungeon is only a minor inconvenience, a slightly slower path towards the next whatever piece of armor you have. I find that vastly different in comparison to potential ruination of one's immersion and experience with the story.

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So it would be entirely worthwhile for said individuals to use the PF to gather players who have similar interests, or simply don't mind coming in for an extended run to help. Both exist.

The problem lies in solo-queuing DF and expecting others to wait.

The discussion entirely is moot. Just due to the sheer difference in numbers, because as you said this is a one-time thing, you're going to see a vast majority of players who just want to get through the run as fast as possible for their grind and therefore you will be left behind for watching cutscenes. This will have you locked out of fights. That's the trade-off.

The only issue here is being kicked. That's wholly unnecessary and shouldn't be done. I doubt it's common though, because like I said most parties will just proceed.

Here is what I did back then I was a DPS (I have every roles now,so things are not as drammatic as it used to be).

1/Find yourselfs a Tank and/or a Healers (for 4 mans Duns) and either 1 Tank and 2 Healers or 2 Tanks (for 8 mans Duns group)
2/ Queue with them everytime you want to watch the CS. Of course ask them first if they dont mind.
3/Watch the whole party waiting for you whether they like it or not.
4/ Profit :p

At this point, the Main Scenario Duty Roulette is full of people trying to get an easy 300 Phil tomes (and trust me, first timers, you'll be there too soon enough). These people can't form their own group because the only way to receive the bonus is to queue up solo. If you want one of these in order to enjoy the story, why would you use the DF anyway? With the Party Finder, you could easily create a "Let's enjoy the story!" group and then shout in Mor/Northern Thanalan and get a group with like minded people.

I'm not saying I'm one of those people that rush others. Heck, I'm the tank that sits at the entrance waiting for everyone to enter, but, there are simply too many people that rage or rush in to reliably enter CM or Prae through DF and expect people to wait while you watch all of the cutscenes (depending on your reading speed, Prae can take an extra 20+ minutes if you watch all of the cutscenes).

The cutscenes in this game are excessively annoying, i need an addon to disable them. Nevertheless I realize many do not share my opinion. Though its funny, i always thought immersion is to go in and whack stuff, not watch movies about it. Here is how I deal with it, personally in game:

1. start cutscenes in lowbie dungeon, I love them as I can check the party and see if they have a 50, if not it gives me time to decide to leave right then before I get into a wipefest. And yes I happily eat the 30min penalty, i got plenty to do.

2. Prea and CM cutscenes in roulette, i get 300 tomes to babysit so thats ok, I let you watch all your stuff. Its not your fault SE put in intra-battle CS, so I have seen plenty peeps leaving the movies dead. The tank is the leader so I follow the tank, as do the smart healers. So lockouts happen frequently as most of the content can be easily 4-6 manned. If the tank watches all the cutscenes, normally what I have outlined under #1 comes under consideration.

Also something to consider, I did Prae and CM prior roulette and it was hard to get those done. After 2.1 you DF up and its done with. You have totally inappropriate gear, like LvL 15 jewelery and still there will be some 80+90 iLvL chars Carrying your sorry ass through.

The three fresh 50 peeps I know that went in PF to do CS runs of Praet all ended up failing, but the next DF group carried them through.

I'm surprised by the amount of douche baggery in this thread. When I ran the storyline for the first time! I skipped all the cut scenes because I was informed by friends testing should do so or risk getting abused by the party. (Couldn't get kicked because this was pre 2.1) I regret doing so though because I haven't watched the cut scenes ever. Like someone had mentioned earlier, the cut scenes, when not watched during the course of the dungeon, end up feeling like a huge confusing mess. Why not just give the newbie the time to enjoy the game the way it was meant to be enjoyed.

During the time spent watching cut scenes, I pull out my iPad to read a thread or two on the forums and by the time I look back up, we're just about ready to go. The fact that you're sitting around not doing anything during cut scenes is entirely your fault. My time is precious so I'm not going to sit there being pissed at a newbie. I'd rather spend that time doing something else really quickly.

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Originally Posted by Versiroth

If you want one of these in order to enjoy the story, why would you use the DF anyway?

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Many people here say this, but what you forget is that up to Castrum Meridianum and the Praetorium this isn't really an issue at all in DF (i.e., cutscenes are not), so unless someone told the new players or they happened to read a thread such as this one, there's no reason for them to expect such resentment and hostility from other players for watching cutscenes. In any case, an option to avoid the toxicity in these dungeons does not justify nor deal with the toxic behavior at hand.

Can players farm using the party finder or it has to be random duty finder?

I've never done the main scenario roulette and I probably won't ever do it. I've got so many philosophy tomes they're coming out of my ears. I keep capping without realizing it and then wondering what the hell to do with all these useless things. I've already geared up everything before they were so easy to get! Now they're raining everywhere like candy. The only possibility I could even see for needing more philo tomes is if I level an alt to 50.

That said if I ever did do it, I would defend anyone who wanted to watch cutscenes. It's not like watching them will really extend the length of the run much. >_>; Besides, if you're really hard-up for philo tomes, there are far more efficient ways of farming them quickly, like WP speedruns.

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Originally Posted by LordSaviour

I didn't read the whole thread because, who has time for that...

At any time do you let the group know that you plan to watch the CS because it is your first go?

Or do you just stay silent, leaving people to believe you are afk in a CS, leeching??

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When you enter a dungeon you are put into a cutscene and not given access to chat, what you ask is Impossible to do. What people are doing is attempting to validate forms of harassment, which is against the rules of the game. If speedruns are what people want, they can be easily done by forming party groups. Harassing players for any reason is violating ToS. Think the issue should stepped up on SEs part, to crack down more on this and other forms of harassment in the game. It's getting to the point where it is obnoxious as gil sellers.

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Originally Posted by Spyrit

When you enter a dungeon you are put into a cutscene and not given access to chat, what you ask is Impossible to do. What people are doing is attempting to validate forms of harassment, which is against the rules of the game. If speedruns are what people want, they can be easily done by forming party groups. Harassing players for any reason is violating ToS. Think the issue should stepped up on SEs part, to crack down more on this and other forms of harassment in the game. It's getting to the point where it is obnoxious as gil sellers.

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you cannot use the party finder since you take a 66% cut in tomes for not doing it through the roulette. SE turned it into a daily quest, it never should have been that.

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Originally Posted by Spyrit

When you enter a dungeon you are put into a cutscene and not given access to chat, what you ask is Impossible to do.

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You have access to chat. Hit enter. (Or slash or anything else that would normally bring up your chat bar, I think; I've only ever used Enter.)

Not disagreeing with anything else you're saying, just letting you know you can chat during cutscenes.

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Originally Posted by Archona

Duty Finder/Roulette are for repeat runs and fast queues.

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Wrong. They put in roulette to help out people who were running the storyline dungeons for the first time and struggling to get a DF party because "everyone" had already cleared the content. They are rewarding you for helping people out with bonus tomes and/or exp, depending on what you're running. If you're going to take the reward, deal with the new people. You are there for them. And you are being "paid" to do it.

All I'm hearing from the "watch the cutscenes later" group is "Waaaaaaaahhhh... I want my 300 useless tomes now and cannot be arsed to wait an extra five-ten minutes."

And to the person trying to use a player's first time as being "one time" as a reason why they should skip? You're ignoring the point. You only get one first time. There after the experience is forever ruined.

I still hate going to CM to this day because of a horrible run through it as my first time (and my first introduction to the vileness that is the vocal end-game community).

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Originally Posted by Caraway

You only get one first time. There after the experience is forever ruined.

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This. THIS, a thousand times. I'm still irritated that I was pressured to skip my first time through the end of the storyline I'd loved so much up until then. That first time experience is something I'll never get back. Hell, the story scenes don't even add more than ten, fifteen minutes tops to the total time of the dungeon! People are just abusing the system to get what they want faster, and it's hurting the new players who have enjoy this game more than anybody else.

And the worst part of it is that anybody selfish enough to do this to another player (and there are plenty of these people out there!) are selfish to the point that they just don't care if it ruins your fun or not. All they care about is their fast tome reward. There's just no solving this by appealing to the players, so it has to be a fix to the way the system works if anything's going to be done about it.

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Originally Posted by FishHead

Who's genius idea was it to put 5-minutes cutscenes before/after bosses?

I paid $30 and intend to get what I paid for, but if I sit there and watch the cutscenes for the first time I get kicked from the party. So why even have them to begin with?

As a DPS class it's especially annoying because it takes about an hour just to get back in.

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Statement: Use Party Finder to build a Story Mode group, 0 chances of being kicked that way.

Yes, you only get one time to watch the cutscenes, and enjoy the actual content with the cutscenes in it - as it was designed.

One time.

Problem is, regardless of what you think/want, there will always be more people running MSQ Roulette for the fast tome gain, or just running it for their second+ time than there will be people running it for their first. Since it is basically impossible for that to change unless they make it so the tome gain isn't so fast and effectively have people ignore it more than they already do, that's how it is.

So if that one, first time experience is so important to a person it is in their best interest to use the PF to do their first clear of the dungeon under the pretense of watching all cutscenes. It's right there in the options when forming a PF ad for good reason. There are also plenty of people clearing it for the first time who don't care about watching the cutscenes right then and there and are perfectly happy watching them in the inn later, so we're talking about quite a niche thing here.

Once you do the one-time clear fully immersed, you'll be part of the 2+ group where skipping cutscenes will at the very least not be a problem for you, and probably be preferred due to the novelty having worn off and the gain in time being significant. Then you can comfortably do your daily roulette and gain tomes nice and fast like everyone else.

Honestly this is the biggest reason I like being with the endgame crowd for new content. When you're with them, you're free to watch the first-time cutscenes because the chances are the rest of your team also hasn't seen them. My greatest relief about beating Twintania wasn't any of the loot, but actually knowing that nobody from that point on could spoil my experience of watching the final cutscenes for binding coil. The Final fantasy series has always been about it's story before anything else.

There's a lot of problems that people are really selfish about not letting people enjoy the cutscenes. I mean come on this is a final fantasy game. You should expect cutscenes everywhere.
A lot of these people telling people to ruin their enjoyment of running a dungeon the first time should really take a moment to think about the fact that one the tomes are your payment to help new people get to enjoy the game fully, two that a lot of these people watched them the first time they did it so they shouldn't be forcing people to skip, three yes you can watch them later but doing that will make them not as enjoyable as others have pointed out that it will be a disjointed mess, and the dungeon itself will not make a lot of sense, and four how many of you really expect people to be able to form a full party for watching cutscenes in PF? We tried for hours and couldn't do it.
There are more than enough people in PF if you want to do speed runs. But not nearly enough for actual story content.

...And this ladies and gents is why I always vote no when the vote-kick system pops up.

The vote-kick system never should of been implemented. Players cannot be trusted to play nice.

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Originally Posted by Ymbryne

Watch them later on youtube. People generally don't want to cater to your "first time immersive experience."

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Fixed that for ya. It is an abuse of course, but there's no need to watch the cs's mid-raid.