i90 Does not make you a good player

33% gear, 33% skill, 33% power of will... and 1% of luck. ^^

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Originally Posted by Noahlimits

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Those "Elitist Jerks" are always jerks no matter what gear they have.....

Also, you mistook my usage of bottom line. It wasn't a way to reiterate your comment, it was my own bottom line. =P I understood exactly what you said the last time you said it. =)

A person with full myth and no allagan is trash. Needs to have more than 2 pieces of allagan equipped to be good.

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Originally Posted by Devilray

A person with full myth and no allagan is trash. Needs to have more than 2 pieces of allagan equipped to be good.

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You need a hug. Badly.

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Originally Posted by Devilray

A person with full myth and no allagan is trash. Needs to have more than 2 pieces of allagan equipped to be good.

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So, You need to win at Randomly Generated Drop rates to be skilled?

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Originally Posted by Devilray

A person with full myth and no allagan is trash. Needs to have more than 2 pieces of allagan equipped to be good.

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You need a cold shower and some coffee, and a detox, cause whatever drugs you're on, they certainly aren't helping you.

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Originally Posted by Devilray

A person with full myth and no allagan is trash. Needs to have more than 2 pieces of allagan equipped to be good.

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This isn't true, as a scholar there's only one item besides the twintania weapon drop that's best in slot from coil, myth is superior for every slot but gloves. I don't want people to assume I don't know how to play just because I care more about actually having good stats instead of how many shiny allagan drops I've obtained.

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Originally Posted by Devilray

A person with full myth and no allagan is trash. Needs to have more than 2 pieces of allagan equipped to be good.

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At one point I was 1/32 on getting WHM coil items to drop. Try again.

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Originally Posted by ZDamned

So, You need to win at Randomly Generated Drop rates to be skilled?

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If u had time to full myth one job u had at 50, u prob suck for not trying coil... Assuming this is ur only 50 and you run with a static like a smart player...

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Originally Posted by Devilray

A person with full myth and no allagan is trash. Needs to have more than 2 pieces of allagan equipped to be good.

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That said it would be NICE if you actually needed to clear difficult content to get the best gear but that's not how this game works. Instead you get the most rewards from grinding the same piss-easy dungeons over and over again for months.

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Originally Posted by Devilray

A person with full myth and no allagan is trash. Needs to have more than 2 pieces of allagan equipped to be good.

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Oh hey. I have an Allagan Earrings of Striking and Allagan Gauntlets of Striking. But I don't even have a Level 1 Pugilist. Therefore, I must be a damn good Monk!

Still full myth makes you assume you don'tcoil = not skilled.

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Originally Posted by Devilray

If u had time to full myth one job u had at 50, u prob suck for not trying coil... Assuming this is ur only 50 and you run with a static like a smart player...

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And in your own words, if I ran coil ever week since the beginning of it's existence, and failed at winning a roll, I still suck. nice Logic Bro.

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Originally Posted by Devilray

If u had time to full myth one job u had at 50, u prob suck for not trying coil... Assuming this is ur only 50 and you run with a static like a smart player...

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You're missing his/her point. You could have completed t1-5 multiple times and just been extremely unlucky with drops. Or even if they did drop, someone else won the need over you. RNG really hurts a lot of players.

I beats coil 1-4 no allagan at all.

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Originally Posted by juniglee

Oh hey. I have an Allagan Earrings of Striking and Allagan Gauntlets of Striking. But I don't even have a Level 1 Pugilist. Therefore, I must be a damn good Monk!

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BEST monk he's ever seen!

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Originally Posted by Devilray

Still full myth makes you assume you don'tcoil = not skilled.

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Stop helping in the destruction of this game's community.

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Originally Posted by Devilray

Still full myth makes you assume you don'tcoil = not skilled.

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Or Maybe Myth looks better, and that's what you wanted instead of Allagan Aesthetics?

I can tank just as effectively in Full Myth, as I can in Full Allagan on Warrior. So, why do I need Allagan to be a good player?

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Originally Posted by Saziel

Stop helping in the destruction of this game's community.

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I've never seen a community that toxic and I'm playing MMORPG since 2006.

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Originally Posted by Saziel

Stop helping in the destruction of this game's community.

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Keep farming wp... Its helping the community grow.

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Originally Posted by Devilray

Keep farming wp... Its helping the community grow.

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Haven't been to WP in weeks. Nice assumption, though.

Just more of the toxic/elitist portion of the community. What should really matter is the quality of the person; their teamwork with others, their skill and ability, whether they are a positive or fun person to play with... and yet what it always boils down to with the superficial people is whether they are 100% Allagan, whether they have the rarest gear. The ones snarling about l33t gear are usually the most short, rude, and all around ill-tempered people I've ever seen in an MMO. I'd honestly rather play with kind people decked out in myth gear than assholes in allagan anyday.

(I am of course not saying that everyone with allagan is an ass, but you know what I mean.)

Honestly i could say the same about how toxic your entitlement as "anti-elitists" are to this community.

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Originally Posted by Devilray

Honestly i could say the same about how toxic your entitlement as "anti-elitists" are to this community.

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Originally Posted by Devilray

Honestly i could say the same about how toxic your entitlement as "anti-elitists" are to this community.

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It makes just as much sense as your statement.

This game is a loot pinata. Any monkey could get full i90. I don't think I've ever seen an MMO with such a low bar skillwise.

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Originally Posted by Kaiser_Rage

i see a big difference skill wise in people who "buy" their ilv90 compared to those who "earn" them.

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See I think this kind of stuff is just silly. I'm full myth WAR left side, full melded gryphonskin right side. I pass on tank coil drops every week because they look stupid compared to the WAR myth, and my class is built around that myth armor.

i like jello

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A person with full myth and no allagan is trash. Needs to have more than 2 pieces of allagan equipped to be good.

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Actually this isn't that far from the truth, despite everyone picking on this post. Drops from T1 and T4 actually suggest that you know how to play your class. Drops from T2... well, they indicate nothing at the moment.

And yeah, the vast majority of people with Allagan weapons are more than likely quite skilled players.

Being i90 doesn't mean too much, the quality of the drops you have does though.

Yes ilvl doesn't equal player skill and most of the party finder parties with ridicolous requirements are just made by people who want to get carried and don't even have the ilvl themselves. But thats what we get with the implementation of iLvL do I like it no. But I can live with it.

*edit* to the people who say you need allagan (dunno if sarcasm) not all of us are lucky in coil. I'm running coil for about 3 month now and didn't get 1 drop yet. :( I swear healing gear doesn't exist in there.

Gearscore certainly doesn't goes well with their materia system.

It frightens me that people who spent their time spamming Wanderers Palace only and buying Titan Win now belong to the best geared players in the game.

That kinda declasses the efforts of everyone else.

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Originally Posted by Amyas

Had a war in CT the other day trying to pull that crap just because he had the Ex primal axe. He caused a wipe twice because he couldn't manage his cooldowns on the Bone Dragon in the last phase of it, then when I went to MT, he and his baddy group stood outside of the instance. We beat it the next try with me mting and him standing there trying to pull hate off me, guess what? He was dead at the end xD And he even said 'too bad I won!' when I /cried over his corpse. I think it was because he provoked, combo'd-BB and actually had hate for the last few seconds, which is the reason he died.
But yeah 733t 700ts = skill lmao

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u dont need to beat EX primals by that class to acquire its weapon

im a tank beaten all ex primals and acquired WHM weapon as i will be WHM in near future

so seeing a class player having the EX primals weapon for it doesnt mean he/she beaten them using that class unlike relic

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Originally Posted by blowfin

Being i90 doesn't mean too much, the quality of the drops you have does though.

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Turns 1 to 4 is a lot more forgiving than other fights outside of coil. Even more so than Titan HM. As there are no real one shot mechanics. Why, when I was PFing for my PLD relic I saw over and over players who joined sporting Allagan gear die over and over to the same mechanics. In fact in coil T1-4. If the rest of the party is geared, players can be carried. Remember, the first clears of coil where done in ilvl 70 gear. No or minimal myth/Allagan.

Gear augments skill and some try to use it to cover there inability to read and adapt to fights. Aka, it makes some players lazy.

Great players can adapt to the situations they find themselves in or the parties they are put in. Whether it's a fast clear to the end or the ability to assist those who are new. Which we all where once, never forget that. Personally I get greater satisfaction clearing a dungeon with new people who are learning and with some friendly advice, seeing them improve, in some cases substantially, to go on and kill the boss. Than a one shot.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't turn 5 kills being sold on some shards?

i90 doesn't equal skill. That is true as I've seen highly geared tanks (tends to be easiest to notice if one is bad) that would mess up over and over again. On the other hand I have seen like i60 geared ones do a great job (for example in CT).

Also saying that "full myth set = bad player who just played for a long time" is wrong. Play with the person and see how and what they do. I'm average i90. got 3 pieces of allagan (from lower tiers if I'm not mistaken). Clear t4 reliably every week while not being in a hardcore group to do so (and cleared it way before I had full 90). So I presume I can't be that bad..

On the other hand I've seen nearly fully allaganed ones continously fail terribly.

Conclusion: Gear really doesn't indicate much about a person's skill.

Your Ilvl never equals skill with that job and should never be put under the same roof. The Ilvl is only proof of the length on your play time at lvl 50. Player skills comes from knowledge of your job skills, your party skills and the current fight your having..

Even with a perfect Titan extreme does not automaticly make you any good at Garuda Extreme. Same goes with other fights..

Ilvl simply allows access to content.

Skill and honor in this game is very rare.
I strive to be the best tank I can be both as a person and a player.
my I lvl has nothing to do with my abilities as a tank or my honor as a person.

Some days I am simply shit other days I am amazing, largely depends on personal situation and attitude at the time I am playing.

It's quite funny to go to TitanX as ilv 73blm, and out-dps ilv80+ ppl, cause 70% of ppl are just plain rubbish, and 99% fail for some reason, trivial or not.
even if you set ilv restrict to 85+, they will still mess up most of the time. (saw someone make 85pt, and request ppl dont suck, and i been in pt with him before...and he did less damage (blm) than tanks)
a live ilv75 is better than a dead ilv85.
I spent 100hrs on TitanX last week, and won once. Aside from that one win, all the other ilv80+ parties wipe, mostly at/before heart phase.
If you can't do it at ilv 75, you probably can't do it at ilv 85 either.
Also, even with wep/most armor parts being 80-90, my ilv on mnk is still sub80, cause DL-accessories; and that's not going to affect if i can beat Titan or not.
As long as you got ilv 80-90 wep, 3700hp, you're good to go.

I can agree with the OP that gear shouldn't make you feel you are better player than another, however this game is GEAR based so in turn generally the more geared you are the better you can handle a fight.

I am full I lvl90 mostly myth a coil choker and a ruda EX ring, all the gear I have now is the best I could acquire the fastest between coil, myth grinding (which everyone does, and shouldn't be down played as it is a major part of this game and alone not an easy task to gear out one class even with the 450 cap) and various other dungeons and gameplay! i dnt have the time to play most do and i still mananged to ilvl 90 my SCH plus level many crafts to 50, i consider myself a highly experienced player and I am.

People need to realize no matter how gear ppl are if they never played a fight or do not know the mechanics yet they wont play very well, it doesn't matter where your gear came from as long as your character is properly geared for any fight you choose to do (and being full i90 affords you the ability to take on any fight you choose).

ilvls don't just show how long you played, its a smack in the face to all the grinding many ppl put in to say so! they very much show how experienced you are and the amount of play time you have actually put in! This shows that a player is capable of learning a fight properly and eventually will be able to perform a fight correctly once they understand it fully.

the only difference in coil gear and myth is the random factor of how you get the gear, myth is certain if you put in the time, coil is random weekly (it is totally possible someone has horrible luck and can't get any drops from coil at all and is stuck with full myth, this does not make the full myth player bad (most of them I find to be better than coil players that think clearing coil t1-t4 is such a huge accomplishment -_-)

fact is no matter how you gear out, no one is a going to be good unless they know a fight and even then the team they are with has to also be properly prepared to the fight! this is a team game, its not so much about what gear you have its how you use that gear in a fight!

TL;DR ilvl shows what the player's potential to perform is, not the actual skill they have and ppl shouldn't consider full myth as meaning bad player!

NO item level in this entire game can gauge someone's skill level.

1.Coil Drops are RNG so the class you are playing doesn't have to "Earn" the right to wear it.
2.Myth is earned over time regardless of how much skill you have.
3.Most content you can purchase a win or get carried through.

The issue is the "Egos & Entitlement" that comes with the gear. Gear in this game pretty much equates to nothing more than a "Virtual Social Status".

While Item Levels are "Supposed" to be an indication of where your skill level is, the game's design bases skill on your memory and reflexes. The ilvl increases nothing more than "Room for Error".