Gridania Vs. Ishagard. Who won?

Azurymber, I'm going to speculate a bit based on what I do know. I believe that Gridania currently keeps Ishgard at bay. However this isn't entirely Gridania's doing, it is more the Elementals and the Wood itself keeping the peace. From what I understand, Ishgard has angered the Elementals on previous occasions, and felt their wrath. This could be the tragedy you speak of. Without knowing the archer line myself, I can't give you more to go on.

I've talked to almost every single NPC in the game, if not all of them. The only NPCs I know I missed are a couple here and there in some of the class quests while I was recording (for time issues) and the starting city quests for each nation.

With that being said, I have completed all the Archer Quests and must have missed the one NPC that spoke of the Gridanians and the Ishgardians having problems between one another in the past, considering how noble and law abiding both nations are compared to the other city states.

Dragonfall I might have heard of once before, but I know little to nothing of it. It sounds like Dragonfall is/was either a camp or a landmark in Eorzea, or even a description of what the battle consisted of.

Ishgardians and Gridanians both believe that one should not take a life of another, unless given just reasoning behind an offensive action against another individual. They both are friendly to one another to this day and welcome one another into each others region and city hamlets whenever.

I'll have to check out some stuff and see what the whole story is about, but from the content we have in the game so far... I 100% doubt there is anything that will completely describe what this event is all about and anything else into details.

It is a bit of a standstill because Ishguard is full of QQers with guns and heavy machinery while Grid is full of kick*** mages and lancers that like to "and suddenly" from trees, but they can't do much when the trees are being burned by the awesome power of Apollo, the controller of all evil fire elementals.

Gridania or Ishagard... Really?... it was the Subligans from Subligania that won the war.

We are like ninja's we fight in the shadow to get the job done... except we love showing off our naked muscular bodies in tight subligars in our daily lives...

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Originally Posted by Rinsui

Forgiven.
Every single one of us went through that stage.

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Oh really then im the odd one out clearly! ^_^

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Originally Posted by Kafeen

Unfortunately Azurymber I think you've come to the wrong place for your answers. Most people here are only interested in bitching and moaning about the game which many of don't even bother to play any more. Most of those who do remain are more interested in being able to jump than they are in the lore of the game.

I'm glad you're still enjoying it and hope you continue to untainted by those attempting to bring other down to their level of misery.

I hope you can find the answers you're looking for ingame as you continue to explore the world of Eorzea.

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you are awesome! no really you should come to our server ^_^

BUT i agree with what Holy Dragoon said.

why do i keep clicking these forums? /shakes head goes back to enjoying ffxiv

Considering that both nations still exist rather unscathed I would assume they met some terrible tragedy in this battle where both sides took massive losses. Perhaps the name Dragonfall would hint at both sides being attacked by dragons and decimated.

Hell Ishguard is still fighting the dragons off to this day.

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Originally Posted by Holy_Dragoon

Azurymber, I'm going to speculate a bit based on what I do know. I believe that Gridania currently keeps Ishgard at bay. However this isn't entirely Gridania's doing, it is more the Elementals and the Wood itself keeping the peace. From what I understand, Ishgard has angered the Elementals on previous occasions, and felt their wrath. This could be the tragedy you speak of. Without knowing the archer line myself, I can't give you more to go on.

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This would explain and account for the majority of the events surround the Conjurer missions.

This is the only MMORPG that im actually interested in the story! Im curious what the lore is behind Ishgard and everywhere else, I hope they release an expansion soon that dives into it all.

Azurymber, I hope to god that you find the answer you seek and find something else fairly important that the trolls in this thread will need in order to do something so that you can prove to them how karma can be a ***** to people when it comes around and goes around. :)

I'd like to know the answer as well, though I'll cheer Ishgard on either way in the end.

The only thing I know about ishgard is through the Archer R30 and R36 quests. For example Simian (sp) the guy you fight in the R36 Archer quest left the Quiver's Hold to joing some sort of Ishgardian army of some sort. Obviously in the R30 quest you have to go to Coerthes outside of Ishgard for some cutscenes (I forget the name of the area).

Other than that I assume the R46 final battle and cutscenes, those enemies are from Ishgard. Plus you will notice that on some of the faction leves the issuing authority is the Ishgard adventure guild. (Camp Glory and Dragonhead are included in these faction quests).

We can only assume when the pick up where R46 main quest left off, we will see that continuation in Ishgard so instead of having the merchant's wards in Uldah as a home base, the emphasis will switch to the capital city, much like 11 when you left your home city for Jeuno.

For Gridania I can only assume the battle between them and Ishgard left with Gridania in control of Black Shroud, no other quests like Lancer or Conjurer mentions a threat from Ishgard on the black Shroud, so my best guess is the Ishgard forces retreated to Coerthes. Moh Drona may have something to do with that as well.

Like others have said, we are going to have to wait to pick up on this storyline later.

I'm going to take a wild guess and say that it indeed isn't actually explained anywhere in the game for now.

Ishgard is not the main focus and indeed the game is lacking a bit in the lore department unless you really want to look for it, something sadly many people do not care at all because the plot sucks (And therefore "I" skipped every cutscene and dialogue! Because they suck!), the lore sucks (because we actually have to talk with the NPCs and gather information from different places!), and the game itself sucks (including the plot and lore, they suck! Also: No jumping.).

In any case, I'd expect a bit more about this and other tidbits of Ishgard related lore when we do get access to the big ol castle and are able to do sidequests there.

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Originally Posted by Bigglesworth

Other than that I assume the R46 final battle and cutscenes, those enemies are from Ishgard.

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Uh.....they're obviously and surely from the Garlean Empire. Imperial troops patrolling Mor Dhona and securing their airships stationed there; the quest plan was to hijack one of the ships to reach Ala Mhigo and then probably start screaming about Captain Basch of Dalmasca. Then Grahf appeared and I'm still somehow mad he didn't appear on Dissidia Duodecim.

Something like that.

I have to assume that Gridania was the victor. Only because it is still there. :).

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Originally Posted by Mortikhan

I have to assume that Gridania was the victor. Only because it is still there. :).

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So is Ishgard, but they keep outsiders out.

Lots of people in this thread confusing Ishgard and Garlemald. Ishgard is a super-religious city state that has a bishop and knights and stuff. They hate dragons and they shut their gates like a year ago, not letting anyone in or out. A few NPCs in Owl's Nest talk about them.

Garlemald is the home of the Garlean Empire. They have robots and guns and destroyed Ala Mhigo like 15 years ago. In the r46 cutscene you meet Garlean Darth Vader

Gridania was probably the winner Captain Planet came to save them..

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Originally Posted by Rinsui

Straight answer:
Nobody knows, and most likely nobody cares.
Ishgard has been kept off in a vaccuum-sealed package for almost a year now.
Most of its residents should already have suffocated.
Why care for a dead people?

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May the twelve be with you.

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Originally Posted by Brannigan

Lots of people in this thread confusing Ishgard and Garlemald. Ishgard is a super-religious city state that has a bishop and knights and stuff. They hate dragons and they shut their gates like a year ago, not letting anyone in or out. A few NPCs in Owl's Nest talk about them.

Garlemald is the home of the Garlean Empire. They have robots and guns and destroyed Ala Mhigo like 15 years ago. In the r46 cutscene you meet Garlean Darth Vader

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coerthas and ishgard are to the West of Gridania. Further West is what -seems- to be the land of the dragons (dravania) as well as what i'm assuming is either a city or a ruined city (shariavan). East of the twelveswood (gridania) is Ala Mihgo which has been defeated by Garlemond. And then the Garlean empire is northeast of Ala Mihgo. So essentially for the Garleans to successfully attack Aldenard and Vylbrand (I beleive those are the names of the continent and limsa's island respectively) they would have to first go through the Twelveswood and Gridania.

Now since Gridania has the protection of the elementals and the Twelveswood is supposed to be crazy wtf dangerous. Launching an attack would take a -SERIOUS- effort. However, tactically the Garlean Empire has airships and could essentially skip over gridania and land in ul'dah's region. I'm assuming airships are not a safe way to transport their military however due to the fact that one seems to have crashed in mor dhona and there are supposed to be dragons in the skies.
I'm also assuming they would have issues attacking via the sea due to the threat of Limsa amassing a fleet in order to protect trade routes if nothing else.

So im guessing if they were to invade it would have to be -through- Gridania and the Twelveswood. Possibly by burning it down.

If you haven't already, try posting this in the Quest section of the forum.

People there actually read the dialogue and think about the implications.
I've seen you there before (and I haven't checked it in days) so maybe you posted this there already.

You should know the typical crowd the General Discussion will descend upon your threads.

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Originally Posted by Sephr

By the way, Ishgard's dragoons are not dragoons in the FF sense.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragoon

It just means mounted infantry, FF added a new spin to it because of the oh-so-clever similarity with the word 'dragon' I guess.
The lore is pretty lacking right now, like most of the game it feels rushed and skimmed over, which baffles me considering how much lore (and even more so in its expansions) FFXI had. No idea what the hell Tanaka was thinking.

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They may be mounted, but they are also Dragon-slaying Knights.
Sounds pretty much like the FF spin on the word.
Most Dragoons are Dragon-lovers not haters, but some are Dragoon for no real reason (Kain).

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Originally Posted by Azurymber

coerthas and ishgard are to the West of Gridania. Further West is what -seems- to be the land of the dragons (dravania) as well as what i'm assuming is either a city or a ruined city (shariavan).

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I believe that is actually Sharlayan, the city that Thancred, Y'shtola & the other two are from (names eluding me), who are present in the Rank 1/8/15/46 quests (the last of which I'm itching to play) and seem very curious about the goings-on in the rest of Eorzea. This could in turn add yet another dimension to plot and events.

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Originally Posted by Catapult

I believe that is actually Sharlayan, the city that Thancred, Y'shtola & the other two are from (names eluding me), who are present in the Rank 1/8/15/46 quests (the last of which I'm itching to play) and seem very curious about the goings-on in the rest of Eorzea. This could in turn add yet another dimension to plot and events.

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Your right, it should be sharLavan not shariavan but theres a v not a y on the map at least.

I am not trolling or anything of the sort.... but...

Ishgard is a good guy... it will be... most likely... XIV's version of Jueno.... They did not attack Gridania.... the ones that attacked gridania and everyone else is as it has been said sporatically in this topic... these armored people you talk about belong to Garland Empire... where everyone on here is getting these 2 places confused is beyond me but... the conflict is always coming from the East, and Ishgard is from the west...

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Originally Posted by Xmbei

I am not trolling or anything of the sort.... but...

Ishgard is a good guy... it will be... most likely... XIV's version of Jueno.... They did not attack Gridania.... the ones that attacked gridania and everyone else is as it has been said sporatically in this topic... these armored people you talk about belong to Garland Empire... where everyone on here is getting these 2 places confused is beyond me but... the conflict is always coming from the East, and Ishgard is from the west...

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True, but we have had it iterated to us that the Empire is not the real threat, which we are being distracted from.

I expect this to be complicated.

The way I understood it was all the city states used to fight amongst themselves for money, power, etc. but that all changed when Ala Mhigo was crushed by the the Garleans. Back then Ala Mhigo was supposed to be the strongest of the city states. Now eveyones like well dang guess we better beef up and quite fighting each other so we can work to together when the full invasion happens.

So ya they are all good guys now, but in the past they have had thier differences.

yes, true... but the events people are talking about is the Empire not Ishgard...

I thought we were still talking about battle of Dragonfall which I assumed was just an old conflict between Ishgard and Gridania before the Garlean thing started up. Man why can't they give us dates in the dialogue lol.

lol true, but Some people were saying the armored people in r46 mission were Ishgardian... when in fact they are from the Empire....

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Originally Posted by Azurymber

Your right, it should be sharLavan not shariavan but theres a v not a y on the map at least.

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No, it's actually a y in there, you can see when you look at Vylbrand on the map. The v in eorzean is a perfectly straight line on the first stroke, where as the Y is a slightly curved line on the first stroke.

Also, that's not an I, that's an L. It's Sharlayan, not Sharlavan nor Shariavan.

funny how the first 30-40 responses on this thread were controlled by trollers, and it has only been in the last 30 or so responses that we are actually having some good discussion. I myself have learned a ton.

I still like my response better...