GOOD JOB YOSHI P!

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Originally Posted by Reslin

I don't have the time. Time does not equate to challenge.

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If you don't have the time, then why are you even playing an MMORPG since MMORPG's = Time to gain things. If you lack the time, then you need to stay away from Online RPG's, IMO.

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Originally Posted by Reslin

I don't have the time. Time does not equate to challenge.

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So you want to play less and put in less effort then someone who plays more and get the same rewards?

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Originally Posted by Nica

Thats like saying theoretically everyone can make as much money as bill gates, therefore the cheapest house in the US should cost $20 million USD.

What you can't seem to grasp is that while the opportunity to do so is here, only a few of us can ever actually do it, because it is physically impossible for everyone to do so in the system.

It'd be like having an economy with nothing but CEOs, it won't work.

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Not impossible in a virtual world where everyone has access to the same resources. There are ppl in my fc donating millions to the housing others who don't play as often donate what they can. its collaboration that's all. the close mindedness of the population is disgusting really. everyone can obtain a plot the only question is the time and energy they are willing to put in to do so. Hence the challenge.

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Originally Posted by Tazo

I wouldn't phrase it like OP but I agree that the prices are just fine. Prices are going down over time. You don't need the house now, you want it now, and when you can finally afford it, it will be available. The small FCs that are like husband/wife or BF/GF and friends that made an FC primarily to get a house should rethink about what game they are playing.....might wanna switch to Sims or something.

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You know something, I just love these asinine posts like this. I love how people forget that the 'Casuals' that would enjoy housing and its like are ilk majority compared to the 'Hardcores' and are also the ones that SE is making the majority of their money from. I mean lets be honest, this game has no real innovations going for it, its raiding, if you can call 8 mans really raiding, are a joke, its leveling was screwed up till 2.1 once you level your first class to 50 and maybe bit of a second one, making you rely on mindless fate grinding for best xp per hour; and the crafting while a breath of fresh air compared to most mmos has been purposely made pretty useless outside of consumables as of late now that housing has ridiculous pricing which in turn neuters the furniture market before it even gets to stand on its own two legs. So tell me, why would you want to turn away players whose subs could be used to further develop content?

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Originally Posted by Aruseth

Time does equate to challenge. Since you have less time than me its more of a challenge to get what your after. if you want more stuff in the game faster then you have to decide if you want to play more or not. but it is a challenge for you if it wasn't ppl wouldn't be so butthurt over the prices.

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I think this kind of proves my theory about the defenders of these prices. If you equate time to difficulty it speaks volumes about your ability to actually perform difficult tasks.

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Originally Posted by Osirus

If you don't have the time, then why are you even playing an MMORPG since MMORPG's = Time to gain things. If you lack the time, then you need to stay away from Online RPG's, IMO.

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I play mmorpgs to enjoy challenging content with groups of people. Such as dungeons, pvp, and even raids. The time required to achieve something should be the time it takes to improve yourself and clearing the content at hand. In short, the only gateway should be the task of finding out how to defeat the adversary at hand. Not endless timesinks. If you haven't noticed mmorpgs are moving away from time sinks while focusing on creating difficult encounters. I don't mind if a boss takes 4 months to figure out how to defeat. I do mind if I have to grind a certain mob 16 hours a day every day just to be able to challenge said boss. Time does not equal difficulty.

Basically what I'm saying is.. I want something that is actually challenging. Not trivial tasks that just take up a lot of your time until you can accomplish it. I think you should focus on farmville and leave online rpgs to those of us who want to try our hand at a real challenge. I heard it takes awhile to get far on it. Might be right up your ally. ;)

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Originally Posted by Aruseth

if its not a challenge then do it. Since its sooooo easy. challenge doesn't always mean kill something hard. sometimes focus can be a challenge just look at all the ppl that fail at dodging titan or twin and other abilities.

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Repeating the same boring easy task 50 million times doesn't make it challenging, it makes it tedious. Its why we build robots. If you get satisfaction out of tedium, more power to yah.

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Originally Posted by Reslin

I think this kind of proves my theory about the defenders of these prices. If you equate time to difficulty it speaks volumes about your ability to actually perform difficult tasks.

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I am a perfectly good player I also enjoy farming fishing crafting as well as all combat aspects of the game. I was once like you and only deviled in the combat portion of games till I woke up and realized the importance of having a craft to fill my wallet.

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Originally Posted by Aruseth

Not impossible in a virtual world where everyone has access to the same resources.

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please go back and take that remedial macro econ 101, your professor is crying.

buyers on the market aren't npcs, they are actual players, you are not generating money when selling on the market, and in such a small system where there is little real demand for goods being traded on the market, it will not be pretty when you drop a huge deflationary force on it.

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Originally Posted by Velev

Let's all pay a monthly fee for a game where we are put on the hamster wheel...

*let's keep running i think we are getting closer to the carrot!!!*

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I think at the end of the day, this is the real underlying reason for why everyone is mad. It's natural for an ongoing MMO to want to draw out its customers paying subscription fees for as long as it can... but usually it isn't this blatantly obvious. All these limits and delays in the game are shattering the illusion. Now it's clear that SE wants you to plunk down at least 3 more months of money to them before you have a hope of housing.

As some others have stated, it would've been smarter to make the land more affordable and to instead make the housing itself and the furniture more of a focus for gil sinks. That way you'd actually have a market for people making/buying furnishings and/or buildsing structures because so many more people would actually have housing to put them in.

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Originally Posted by Aruseth

Time does equate to challenge. Since you have less time than me its more of a challenge to get what your after. if you want more stuff in the game faster then you have to decide if you want to play more or not. but it is a challenge for you if it wasn't ppl wouldn't be so butthurt over the prices.

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You just explained how because you have the time it is LESS challenging for you yet here you are claiming this is great content because it is so challenging for you. I bet your not willing to play less and try to accomplish the same money making feat to make it more challenging for yourself. You arent actually looking for a challenge but something exclusive based on the fact that you have a surplus of an external resources (time) compared to the majority of the player base and want to delude yourself into thinking its some sort of "skill".

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Originally Posted by Aruseth

I am glad to see your finally not listening to all the whiners out there and made Housing a challenge and a coordinated effort between members of an FC I Totally agree with the cost of housing and how it scales down over time.

Finally a reason to have some gil and a challenge/status element in the game. Keep it coming.

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agreed, many haters will be lured to this post but i hope you just ignore them! :)

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Originally Posted by Tupsi

Can you list out what's challenging about this content? What boss do I have to kill that'll take the combined strength of at least 370 people in order to prove my worth to obtain a license to live in a city state?

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patient and consistent are the challenges, and many people fail at it irl.

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Originally Posted by Nica

please go back and take that remedial macro econ 101, your professor is crying.

buyers on the market aren't npcs, they are actual players, you are not generating money when selling on the market, and in such a small system where there is little real demand for goods being traded on the market, it will not be pretty when you drop a huge deflationary force on it.

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there are suppose to be more ways to make money in 2.1 compared to what we have now. dungeons dailys will produce more revenue for the server generating more gil. even in the old system pre 2.1 60k players per server even if each made 10k a day equates to 600,000,000 revenue to the server per day. granted in small form per person but eventually gets spread to others through the market boards and selling buying of goods. so perhaps your the one that needs to retake that course.

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Originally Posted by Aruseth

Not impossible in a virtual world where everyone has access to the same resources. There are ppl in my fc donating millions to the housing others who don't play as often donate what they can. its collaboration that's all. the close mindedness of the population is disgusting really. everyone can obtain a plot the only question is the time and energy they are willing to put in to do so. Hence the challenge.

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No, everyone can not obtain a plot. There are limited instances with limit numbers of plots, therefore sooner or later there will be none remaining. Read Yoshi-P's statement. Preventing people from buying up all the plots is the REASON he claims prices are so astronomical.

Your own argument just fought against you here, proving that those who don't have access to the millions of gil necessary will indeed be left behind.

the made AK easier............

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Originally Posted by Gaddes

mindlessly gil-farming is a "challenge" now?

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m20vhlpFFb1qgtoz6.gif

Yes, please, keep it coming. I'd love to see if ARR ends up failing even faster than 1.0

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Let me see, spend months and months getting those equipment and then new patch came (for many MMOs out there) and basically everything got reset. It looks more "mindless farming" than farming for the house which at least you know it won't got "gear reset". Make sense to you?

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Originally Posted by Aruseth

gtfo your point is invalid

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yeah you are the ultimate truth teller. we all kneel to you.

Time consuming != challenging

I.E. Typing out the phonebook at 1 number per hour is not a challenge, merely time consuming.

Mindlessly farming gil for X hours for whatever goal (house, gear, etc) is not challenging, merely time consuming. Please don't pretend it to be otherwise.

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Originally Posted by MomoOG

You just explained how because you have the time its LESS challenging for you yet here you are claiming this is great content because it is so challenging for you. I bet your not willing to play less and try to accomplish the same money making feat to make it more challenging for yourself. want to delude yourself into thinking its some sort of "skill".

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honestly at the end of the day I cud care less about housing ill do my part for the fc and while I do have quite a bit of time to play it is not all spent farming. I may take part of a day to farm and craft what I want to sell for the week and that's that back to wp farm coil helping fc members etc. so in reality im not putting in as much time to get my money as u think.

Everyone seems to think u have to farm 7 days a week to make money this is not the case you can make significant money a week by doing it one day out the week or a cpl hours a day throughout the week.

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Originally Posted by Aruseth

then what do you call farming WP AK COIL and other content day in and day out not a challenge eh? gtfo your point is invalid

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farming WP or AK is "challenging"

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lyjhl01zMJ1r1bja5.gif

ahahaha, oh man, thanks for the laughs

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Originally Posted by Gaddes

farming WP or AK is "challenging"

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lyjhl01zMJ1r1bja5.gif

ahahaha, oh man, thanks for the laughs

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lol yeah, AK "can" be, depending on how good/bad of a group you have, WP can be facerolled like there's no tomorrow though.

Quick!!!! This person is sticking up for Final Fantasy XIV!!!! LYNCH HIM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Originally Posted by Aruseth

I am glad to see your finally not listening to all the whiners out there and made Housing a challenge and a coordinated effort between members of an FC I Totally agree with the cost of housing and how it scales down over time.

Finally a reason to have some gil and a challenge/status element in the game. Keep it coming.

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You are saying.. yay CT is casual, housing is hardcore!. Everyone has their own game play preferences but Id much prefer more raid content to do with FC(not being locked to 8 with randoms filling the gap) instead of telling my FC members to grind gil as a team effort.

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Originally Posted by BoomerOU

Time consuming != challenging

I.E. Typing out the phonebook at 1 number per hour is not a challenge, merely time consuming.

Mindlessly farming gil for X hours for whatever goal (house, gear, etc) is not challenging, merely time consuming. Please don't pretend it to be otherwise.

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Dumb people farm mindlessly, but at least it means that they are not a lazy person who just here looking for free hand-out. On the other hand, you could be smart and learn how to play with the market. In that case, it is actually quite fun to make money. If you don't want to be smart, and you want to be lazy then don't complain.

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Originally Posted by Osirus

Quick!!!! This person is sticking up for Final Fantasy XIV!!!! LYNCH HIM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Quick!!! This person is making hyperbolic statements!!

People can like the game, but not agree with certain decisions. Or is that too much of a challenge to understand?

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Dumb people farm mindlessly, but at least it means that they are not a lazy person who just here looking for free hand-out.

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Wanting reasonable pricing is NOT asking for a hand out. Seriously, grow up.

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Originally Posted by Gaddes

farming WP or AK is "challenging"

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lyjhl01zMJ1r1bja5.gif

ahahaha, oh man, thanks for the laughs

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Hey. It's the same person that had to assure us that he/she is a good player.

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Originally Posted by Aruseth

I am a perfectly good player

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Farming AK is hard. It's official.

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Originally Posted by AlexNiculaie

Quick!!! This person is making hyperbolic statements!!

People can like the game, but not agree with certain decisions. Or is that too much of a challenge to understand?


Wanting reasonable pricing is NOT asking for a hand out. Seriously, grow up.

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He is pointing out that these OF is nothing but a circle jerk of haters and whiners. When you get someone who actually agrees with SE and makes a post about, brace yourself.

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Originally Posted by senjyo

Dumb people farm mindlessly, but at least it means that they are not a lazy person who just here looking for free hand-out. On the other hand, you could be smart and learn how to play with the market. In that case, it is actually quite fun to make money. If you don't want to be smart, and you want to be lazy then don't complain.

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Played the market, I am very well off, it's not difficult. Again, time consuming != challenging. Its fine if you want to praise SE for creating a time sink for you to sink your hours in to with nothing more desirable to fill them since you're free to have whatever opinion you want, but call it what it is. Dont call it a duck unless it's a duck.

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Originally Posted by AlexNiculaie

Quick!!! This person is making hyperbolic statements!!

People can like the game, but not agree with certain decisions. Or is that too much of a challenge to understand?


Wanting reasonable pricing is NOT asking for a hand out. Seriously, grow up.

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What's a reasonable pricing? In an economical sense, as long as there are people will can buy it and will buy it means it's reasonable pricing. And for me and some of others out there, we do believe IT IS reasonable pricing. Just because many people refuse to either farm or learn how to make money and end up with a few hundred Ks asset, doesn't mean their "reasonable pricing" is right. At the end, the market will tell.

P.S there are people who can afford ferrari, and there are also people who think a million dollars car isn't reasonable at all. But guess what? Do you think Ferrari will sell their car at the price of a Honda just because 99% of the population can't afford it?

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Originally Posted by Gaddes

farming WP or AK is "challenging"

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lyjhl01zMJ1r1bja5.gif

ahahaha, oh man, thanks for the laughs

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Challenging, sober.

Housing has 3 critical problems, and the astronomically high cost is the least of them.


The real problems with housing is the max 50% price reduction cap, and the discrepancy between servers. The price discrepancy brutally punishes the many new players that populate legacy servers by lumping them in with a rather small group of 1.0 gil hoarders.

How to fix.

• Initial Pricing should be set to the average across all servers.
• The price reduction cap should be removed completely and the amount of reduction per click should be increased from 0.14% to ~2%

What this would do is to make housing eventually affordable for all FCs on all servers. It would also introduce market forces to the housing system which allows players to better determine the value of the housing as opposed to having prices artificially dictated by some internally harvested metrics.

But mostly, it takes something that should be a fun side-activity and allows players to actually engage in it.

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Originally Posted by BoomerOU

Played the market, I am very well off, it's not difficult. Again, time consuming != challenging. Its fine if you want to praise SE for creating a time sink for you to sink your hours in to with nothing more desirable to fill them since you're free to have whatever opinion you want, but call it what it is. Dont call it a duck unless it's a duck.

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Since you "played the market" before and if you still think making gil is time consuming by doing that, I can only assume you are not doing it right at all. Or that's a typo, it should be "played by the market".

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Originally Posted by Tupsi

Can you list out what's challenging about this content?

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Choking back the urge to swallow your tongue during the months spent grinding for enough gil.

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Originally Posted by Zantetsuken

• Initial Pricing should be set to the average across all servers.
• The price reduction cap should be removed completely and the amount of reduction per click should be increased from 0.14% to ~2%

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Good ideas here.

I'd just like to see an initial fee for "prime location" but everyone starts out with a small house and uses their resources to level the house up to the largest size.

Can't afford a prime location? No problem, but at least you can start working on your house somewhere.

I am getting really, REALLY tired of people saying that we all wanted the largest house right out of the gate.

I'm also getting tired of people saying that the small houses are affordable.

Check the prices on Durandal and come back and say the same thing.

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He is pointing out that these OF is nothing but a circle jerk of haters and whiners. When you get someone who actually agrees with SE and makes a post about, brace yourself.

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The same could be said otherwise. Theres whiners and theres also white knights here. Actually, a lot of people ingame I talk thinks theres too much withe knighting here.

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Originally Posted by TrystWildkey

I am getting really, REALLY tired of people saying that we all wanted the largest house right out of the gate.

I'm also getting tired of people saying that the small houses are affordable.

Check the prices on Durandal and come back and say the same thing.

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Not to mention the number of houses is limited. Many FC's won't get a house as other people with more time buys them up before they have a chance. Housing is extremely exclusive.

Small Houses

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JsMjI....be&t=1h26m26s

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Originally Posted by Sayura_

Good ideas here.

I'd just like to see an initial fee for "prime location" but everyone starts out with a small house and uses their resources to level the house up to the largest size.

Can't afford a prime location? No problem, but at least you can start working on your house somewhere.

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Renovations/extensions to housing would have actually been a really nice thing to add. I'd imagine it'd be problematic though in devaluing land space. Plus, they might actually have some goal in mind about removing gil from the economy... meaning the prices are temporary (probably the reason the prices drop over time). We'll have to wait and see what happens over the next few weeks. If very few FCs buy housing, even as prices go down, I'm sure they'll step in on that. But if a healthy number of FCs buy land, which may be half of available land, then all went according to plan.

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Originally Posted by Reslin

Not to mention the number of houses is limited. Many FC's won't get a house as other people with more time buys them up before they have a chance. Housing is extremely exclusive.

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I recall something about them expanding availability if needed. For a good while though, I doubt that'll be an issue.

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Originally Posted by Reslin

Not to mention the number of houses is limited. Many FC's won't get a house as other people with more time buys them up before they have a chance. Housing is extremely exclusive.

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another limit to housing if im not mistaken: FC 50 member + medium house = cluster f**k?

Its no house or its a house that feels like hiting retainer bell on primetime whit 7 Drg's that just found out they can jump.