The Extreme Mode Axe/Sword

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Originally Posted by SpookyGhost

VIT is a better defensive stat than Parry is the thing. Parry is % chance, VIT is a constant. You'll always have that extra X amount of health, you won't always parry X amount of times every fight.

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Sort of, they're different things.

VIT gives you the ability to take a big hit better, or to take more damage before you need a heal. But once it's gone it's gone until you are healed back to full.

Parry reduces the average amount of damage you take, which means you require less healing. Arguably better over the course of a long fight where you're taking a lot of physical damage, and after you've reached a comfortable amount of hp.

When you're talking a little VIT vs. a pretty big chunk of Parry, I don't think it's a clear cut answer.

skill speed < crit so....

onion shield it is, at least until i can get my hands on an allagan round shield.

onion shield looks awesome

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Originally Posted by saber_alter

onion shield it is

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Only had a quick flick through the new stuff, guess this a CT drop?

Looks like PLD BiS won't change much from looking at all the new stuff and i'm glad I didn't waste the tomes to +1 my Bravura.

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Originally Posted by Grembo

Only had a quick flick through the new stuff, guess this a CT drop?

Looks like PLD BiS won't change much from looking at all the new stuff and i'm glad I didn't waste the tomes to +1 my Bravura.

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i'm assuming extreme primal quest reward, seeing how its ilvl 90.

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Originally Posted by Giantbane

When you're talking a little VIT vs. a pretty big chunk of Parry, I don't think it's a clear cut answer.

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Overall this has been the battle of ages in all tank forums. VIT vs. *Insert chance based mitigation here*. The one thing I'll say is while the axe in number has "a pretty big chunk of Parry", the overall % increase is relatively low I believe. I won't throw out numbers and pretend like I know all, but that is what I'd be interested in, and something SE likes to make difficult for us to figure out definitively. :l

I don't think people will go wrong or noticeably perform better going one way or the other between axes. Allagan will just remain epeen factor for i95 and Twintania drop.

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Originally Posted by Giantbane

VIT gives you the ability to take a big hit better, or to take more damage before you need a heal. But once it's gone it's gone until you are healed back to full.

Parry reduces the average amount of damage you take, which means you require less healing. Arguably better over the course of a long fight where you're taking a lot of physical damage, and after you've reached a comfortable amount of hp.

When you're talking a little VIT vs. a pretty big chunk of Parry, I don't think it's a clear cut answer.

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While it is not clear for parry, with how everything in this game seems to be tier based, unless you actually gain enough parry to increase your parry %, adding parry gives no effect to you at all. And given the ratios in this game of main stats > secondary stats it is also not clear to me that we are talking a big chunk of parry. I have itemized for all parry and also not worried about it and never saw a noticeable difference in the play or logs (math never lies, but translation to noticeable differences in game for one fight is a different story).

How does everything else appear tier based? lol.

There are things that are, and most that aren't. Thank you for your input.

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Originally Posted by Churchill

How does everything else appear tier based? lol.

There are things that are, and most that aren't. Thank you for your input.

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every test of secondary effects of main stats is tier based, and I have not seen a single conclusive test of a secondary stat that showed if it was or was not also following a tiered system where if you dont cross X number you dont gain anything. show me evidence of non-tiered effects when it come to block, parry (rates or percentage) based on either main effects or secondary effects or thank you for you lack of input.

Hold on, so you're saying that its a quest reward rather than a drop from one of the new Boss quests (I thought it was a drop from Ultima/Primal EM before hearing they only drops accesories). That axe is seriously badass looking and will definitely add it to my list of "things to swing at bosses".

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Originally Posted by KogaDrake

every test of secondary effects of main stats is tier based, and I have not seen a single conclusive test of a secondary stat that showed if it was or was not also following a tiered system where if you dont cross X number you dont gain anything. show me evidence of non-tiered effects when it come to block, parry (rates or percentage) based on either main effects or secondary effects or thank you for you lack of input.

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As far as I know, the only stat that seemed tiered was how much damage is parried/blocked based upon STR. Everything else has been inconclusive at best. Even the STR stuff may not be tiered either, the display (X% parried or whatever) may be getting rounded off.

raw parry is always a good thing str has walls dex has walls as for the vit vs parry argument depends on the stat weights for effective hp but that's a tricky thing to calculate. But it's 3 vit vs 26 parry. That's a good chuck of parry

The parry is meaningless because its chance based, and its only on physical.
People need to stop focusing on how big a number is, and consider the effectiveness of that number.

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Originally Posted by Leiron

The parry is meaningless because its chance based, and its only on physical.
People need to stop focusing on how big a number is, and consider the effectiveness of that number.

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Interesting you say that.

BTW, Vitality is not a mitigation stat. It does not reduce any amount of damage, it only adds buffer.