Just Another 3rd party bot BUT 1000 TIMES WORSE

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Originally Posted by Point_Zero

it was lag or something, you guys didnt have claim it seems.

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Yea you don't have claim.

Well, they had claim. . . on a different mob.

STF = shut the f**k you whiner

Missing the point that the OP posted/took this vid knew they had claim on another mob (Bardi), imo that's pretty shady. Took me about 10 seconds of watching this vid to know it wasn't legit. Reported for being a shady troll...

1) Even though Bardi was engaged, it was still extremely odd that each time they attempted to fight a mob near the bot, the bot suddenly sprung into action to fight what they had been targetting. I would guess what actually happened is the bot's hp got low, it stopped combat but the mob was still active (keeping it's hp from going back up) which seems to be the case, then when it's hp was high enough it went back to the fight.

2) There isn't any latency issue between the player and the bot that is any different than what he has with his party. The bot's movements are uncharacteristic of a player, which you can see the differences easily with the party members in comparison to it. This bot and others do seem to have a distance of engagement that is much longer than players do.

3) The ladybug did appear to be in some strange in-between zone of combat and non combat. It looked like it was stuck to the bot, in active mode, but not fighting and not engaged.


It makes me sort of sad how so many people say they do not care about botting. It just makes you look like you're rushing to their defense. If you really didn't care you wouldn't say anything about it at all or try to defend it. The truth probably is either you or someone you know bots and you would rather dilute yourself into thinking it doesn't matter, it's not a big deal, and it doesn't effect you or other players because you want to stay in a perpetual state of denial about it all and hide behind the facade that it is all just a game. When in reality, the people behind the players are real. We have real goals and real desire for enjoyment and a fair gaming environment. No, things can't be perfect. But embracing cheating even in a fantasy world only encourages it in the real one. I realize it's a game, but does that mean just throw out all morals at the door?

In the real world, whether you are aware of it or not, corruption and ill intent effect you. Don't be naive and think it won't effect you in a game. A fantasy world, where of all places, people should be able to enjoy themselves and be pulled away from the negativity of the real world...and yet so many people rush to the defense of poor morality in order to cheat their way ahead.

People are so self-defeating.

I am not coming to the defense of botters. I am merely pointing out the fact that regardless of bot or not bot, the OP is painting a picture that simply isn't true and no one else seemed bothered by the deception. Do i hate bots..yes, do i think the example in the vid is a bot..most likely, do i think the OP is shady..yes.

What I find amusing is how outraged and up your own bum you are about this kind of thing. No one cares, and for you to be THIS bored with the game that you have now become a little one man renegade, Robin Hood style, is kind of sad.

Also, being someone who has worked in a similar role as the STF, you honestly have no idea how it works, and that if you knew the amount of work behind this kind of thing, you would very quickly backpeddle on your aggressive attitude towards the team. I can tell you now that reporting 1 bot, and standing there waiting for it to disconnect won't happen. Bots are monitored and profiled, often for weeks at a time, to allow the company to cut the issue at source. You kill one, 2 more take their place in seconds. You pull up the roots, no more return.

God I really hate white knights.

Is there any info from SE regarding when/how/which measures are they going to take against this kind of behavior?

Maybe I missed it, but as far as I know there isn't.

Does SE cares about this at this moment? Do SE knows that there could be plenty of bot/players with already more than 3 or 4 crafts to level 50 because of this?

I don't care too much about fighting classes, those are fairly "easy" to level, but the crafters could really broke up the economy if this ball starts to get bigger...

The thing that really scares me, is the SE "indifference" about this at least at the moment. I know that Comm. Rep. already said plenty of times that they read through all the posts and past that info to devs. and so and so...

But I really think this is somehow important to the whole community and the proper future of the game, and it really deserves at least a quick reply letting us know that they are "looking into it"....

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Originally Posted by Vahzl

What I find amusing is how outraged and up your own bum you are about this kind of thing. No one cares, and for you to be THIS bored with the game that you have now become a little one man renegade, Robin Hood style, is kind of sad.

Also, being someone who has worked in a similar role as the STF, you honestly have no idea how it works, and that if you knew the amount of work behind this kind of thing, you would very quickly backpeddle on your aggressive attitude towards the team. I can tell you now that reporting 1 bot, and standing there waiting for it to disconnect won't happen. Bots are monitored and profiled, often for weeks at a time, to allow the company to cut the issue at source. You kill one, 2 more take their place in seconds. You pull up the roots, no more return.

God I really hate white knights.

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How exactly can you say no one cares? There are several threads on this forum about this very topic. And I never thought it was easy to deal with the botters in an efficient manner, but you know some sort of action would be nice. People that have been reporting bots for months are still seeing those same bots.

I hear the argument that getting rid of bots will kill the population and possible income for the game. I would guess that a majority of these bots would probably drop if the game became pay to play. Also, if they continue to have these bots alter and monopolize this game in the future, it will only push legitimate players away from wanting to play it.

Wanting to address the rmt/botting situation in a manner that does alter gameplay unnecessarily is something that SE should be realistically considering at least before a cap raise. It is a problem. It does effect you if you play this game. If it takes white knights to make a big deal out of it just so someone can see that it matters to some of us not in denial about botters effects on this game, then so be it.

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Originally Posted by twinkles

I am not coming to the defense of botters. I am merely pointing out the fact that regardless of bot or not bot, the OP is painting a picture that simply isn't true and no one else seemed bothered by the deception. Do i hate bots..yes, do i think the example in the vid is a bot..most likely, do i think the OP is shady..yes.

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I wasn't accusing you of anything. I agree the OP's party's behavior was odd. That doesn't mean it's not disheartening to see so many other players coming to the defense of these botters. They can say they are not defending them, but saying "I don't care" is the same as saying "Bot away" if they are actually making it a point to let others know they 'don't care.' If they truly didn't care they probably would not even be looking in this thread.

You kind of skimmed over the point. People have this "Torch and Pitchfork" mentality in MMo's. It just isn't how it works. There are systems in place to help prevent it, stop getting so worked up over it.

Oh and with regards to the not caring thing:

You might think you care, and are claiming to want the good of the community and bla bla bla, but like everyone else, you just want to see someone burn. You can deny as much as you wish, but it's base human nature that when we see something that should be punished, we want to be present at the execution.

This is why I don't care, I don't kid myself into thinking im looking out for the good of the entire community. It happens, the STF deal with it, no more needs to be said. Please don't bother trying to counter my points with "So you are saying" and "You are so naive" etc, cause I really don't care.

Wait, is that 1000 times worse or 10000 times worse?

Gotcha, and totally agree with your points as well. No one cares about botting now or RMT mostly because the game is so FUBAR that it's really low on peoples mind, down the road this may change fast.

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Originally Posted by Vahzl

You kind of skimmed over the point. People have this "Torch and Pitchfork" mentality in MMo's. It just isn't how it works. There are systems in place to help prevent it, stop getting so worked up over it.

Oh and with regards to the not caring thing:

You might think you care, and are claiming to want the good of the community and bla bla bla, but like everyone else, you just want to see someone burn. You can deny as much as you wish, but it's base human nature that when we see something that should be punished, we want to be present at the execution.

This is why I don't care, I don't kid myself into thinking im looking out for the good of the entire community. It happens, the STF deal with it, no more needs to be said. Please don't bother trying to counter my points with "So you are saying" and "You are so naive" etc, cause I really don't care.

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You shouldn't assume things. It's not healthy. I just want them to stop botting. I don't care if they keep playing just no botting. If that is watching someone burn then, so be it. I just want a fair environment for everyone.

Also, those preventative measures have done little or nothing to stop it. Harvesting fatigue, fatigue, limited inventory space, and gil not really being important is about all I've seen that does anything preventative, as well as hinder legitimate players. But that's fair, I guess, since we are all hindered in the same way....except that it doesn't stop bots from doing what they do anyway.

Also, you care enough to post.

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Originally Posted by Eldaena

You shouldn't assume things. It's not healthy. I just want them to stop botting. I don't care if they keep playing just no botting. If that is watching someone burn then, so be it. I just want a fair environment for everyone.

Also, those preventative measures have done little or nothing to stop it. Harvesting fatigue, fatigue, limited inventory space, and gil not really being important is about all I've seen that does anything preventative, as well as hinder legitimate players. But that's fair, I guess, since we are all hindered in the same way....except that it doesn't stop bots from doing what they do anyway.

Also, you care enough to post.

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Most of what you said is exactly as I predicted. You do seem unintelligent enough to assume I was referring to ingame preventions. You realise that outside of the magic and adventure is a complex system of code, servers, and infrastructure? This is the prevention I was referring to. Automated monitoring and profiling systems outside of the silly ingame restrictions.

Honestly, why do you continue with this? You aren't going to sway my thinking, as simply put, I do know alot more about this stuff than you :(

Botting doesn't hurt anyone? See Silkroad Online, case and point.

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Originally Posted by Vahzl

Most of what you said is exactly as I predicted. You do seem unintelligent enough to assume I was referring to ingame preventions. You realise that outside of the magic and adventure is a complex system of code, servers, and infrastructure? This is the prevention I was referring to. Automated monitoring and profiling systems outside of the silly ingame restrictions.

Honestly, why do you continue with this? You aren't going to sway my thinking, as simply put, I do know alot more about this stuff than you :(

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lol best retort in a 'supposed' logical debate... "You seem unintelligent." Now you're just trolling.

Last I heard the STF was not taking any action on the situation. I'm aware there was suppose to be reporting that leads to monitoring and etc, but I'm telling you that none of that has come to any fruition that anyone is aware of in game. We see the same bots that have been reported several times. I'm not saying there isn't some sort of infrastructure behind the scenes, but as for what that infrastructure is actually doing proactively is yet to be seen.

Man, you don't care about botting so much that you've responded to me about 5 times on the topic. Am I missing something here? You're telling me I'm not going to budge your opinion, which is fine, but it makes me question why you continue to post now, or why you ever did?

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Originally Posted by Eldaena

lol best retort in a 'supposed' logical debate... "You seem unintelligent." Now you're just trolling.

Last I heard the STF was not taking any action on the situation. I'm aware there was suppose to be reporting that leads to monitoring and etc, but I'm telling you that none of that has come to any fruition that anyone is aware of in game. We see the same bots that have been reported several times. I'm not saying there isn't some sort of infrastructure behind the scenes, but as for what that infrastructure is actually doing proactively is yet to be seen.

Man, you don't care about botting so much that you've responded to me about 5 times on the topic. Am I missing something here? You're telling me I'm not going to budge your opinion, which is fine, but it makes me question why you continue to post now, or why you ever did?

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So you say that because I don't wish to discuss it, I shouldn't put forwards my opinion? Coming back with the "lol you care enough to post" thing is laughable. Try to hit me with a valid point and then we will enter into discussion on it, because so far, all I see from you is that you want bots wheeled through the streets so you can toss rotting fruit at them.

You say you aren't in it for the feeling that you have got someone in trouble, but you want to see them in trouble? [Removed by Moderator according to the FINAL FANTASY XIV FORUM Guidelines.]

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Originally Posted by Vahzl

So you say that because I don't wish to discuss it, I shouldn't put forwards my opinion? Coming back with the "lol you care enough to post" thing is laughable. Try to hit me with a valid point and then we will enter into discussion on it, because so far, all I see from you is that you want bots wheeled through the streets so you can toss rotting fruit at them.

You say you aren't in it for the feeling that you have got someone in trouble, but you want to see them in trouble? I am not sure where your brain lies, but I feel it may not be between your ears :(

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Ideally, I wish the game was unbottable. I know that's unrealistic, but that's how I wish it could be. IF that's not an option, I just want bots to be actively researched and alterations to continue to be done to counter then. But I see nothing being done, at all...but lots of debates of bot lynching and bot supporting.

Also, you're just rude. You're not a rep. You're not part of the STF. Debating with you and your "I don't care about bots" involuntarily-supportive-view, isn't helping anything. You are not going to help the situation and you don't care to either. You just want to sit around and call people stupid that want a fair environment.

All I can hope is that your naivety and negativity against my unrealistic, but still hopeful views will show someone that bots do effect the game, that a more active approach needs to be taken, and that some player opinions really are something you need to 'consider the source of' and don't use them as examples for the entire community.

Sorry, I can't live in the nihilistic, counterproductive, and 'uncaring' mindset that you have. But you cannot deny that somehow bots effect you and that their is little to no proof that preventative measures and STF have done much for the game at this point.

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Try to hit me with a valid point and then we will enter into discussion on it,

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You, Sir, are an unmannered loudmouth.
Valid point.

Botting I would think is more from normal players than RMT, RMT have very little reason to exist in FFXIV. They would of stockpiled enough gil by now "just incase" but thats about it.

FFXIV in it's current state is very difficult to play and certainly not pleasurable, as such botting lets people level without having to force themselves to put up with the game. There are also quite a lot of ex XI players that really don't care for the grind and just want to get to the finishline, as such they will bot making money, farming and leveling as much as possible.

Complaining about botting is kinda silly, the devs have so many things to worry about right now as to if the game will ever ever be able to turn itself around.. let alone worrying about people using aps. Honestly that is the last thing on their minds right now, if they do turn it around it will bite them on the ass but the chances of that scenario are far from great. It's like worrying about how you're gonna pay your credit card bill as your hanging off a cliff with one arm.

i reported a bot on Figaro yesterday doing the exact same thing. I got a GM reply asking me to report it to the special task force, which I don't think is necessary.. seeing as I reported it to a GM already. they could simply forward it to the STF.

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Originally Posted by Rinsui

You, Sir, are an unmannered loudmouth.
Valid point.

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So you feel that by responding in kind makes you immune from your own taunts?

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Originally Posted by Keith_Dragoon

Botting doesn't hurt anyone? See Silkroad Online, case and point.

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See Final Fantasy XI zones Dragon's Aery, Behemoth's Dominion, and Valley of Sorrows for years.

it doesnt matter for all this botting crap as soon as SE starts chargeing people for this game with that terrible click and buy and crysta alot of people are gonna leave anyways face it guys FF14 is doomed

See, you mention the B-Word and the thread is destined to end up like Chicken Licken.

The acorns are falling, the acorns are falling! The rapture comes!

Hope you see that you are just encouraging this stuff?

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Originally Posted by viion

A bot user would just ignore this and keep quiet.... Someone who would say what he said would be someone who doesnt care as bots dont affect you. Everyone can bot for all i care :D

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Because you already bot and use hacks ;p

lol without reading most the posts and just watching the video... it's amazing, 8 months? into game people are engaging a mob in another room and then trying to claim a second mob while saying a bot is taking thier claims.... learn that you can only have one mob claimed in a party please before you record your idiocracy.

While i fully agree these bots are bad... it's not an "ultimate" bot that steals your claim...

Yellow named mobs will not yield exp/sp nor are they claimed when yellow...

anyways, happy hunting

I will point out the first problem you had in why GMs wont do anything about it

its not up to the GMs to do it, report it to the task force already with afull explenation, and give them every name youve caught doing it

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See Final Fantasy XI zones Dragon's Aery, Behemoth's Dominion, and Valley of Sorrows for years.

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Square have said time and again they have no way to prove if people bot claim NMs, so no matter what they do about these leveling bots adding new NMs like that will see claim bots back. Which is why they won't add free spawn NMs like those ever again.

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Originally Posted by rainfish

Square have said time and again they have no way to prove if people bot claim NMs, so no matter what they do about these leveling bots adding new NMs like that will see claim bots back. Which is why they won't add free spawn NMs like those ever again.

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Exactly, I've outclaimed lots of time on them NM's and never botted. There is noway to say someone is claim botting and who isn't, I only found out because I tried joining a LS and they said I had to get that app to join i was like nothnx

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Originally Posted by viion

Exactly, I've outclaimed lots of time on them NM's and never botted. There is noway to say someone is claim botting and who isn't, I only found out because I tried joining a LS and they said I had to get that app to join i was like nothnx

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thats really sad when they do that too
almost worth outing them on any forum you can to let people know they are cheating it

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Originally Posted by viion

Exactly, I've outclaimed lots of time on them NM's and never botted. There is noway to say someone is claim botting and who isn't, I only found out because I tried joining a LS and they said I had to get that app to join i was like nothnx

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I am kind of dubious of your claim that an LS requires you to bot to join them. What I can smell here is that there was some LS drama, and you have attempted to come out looking the bigger man by pointing the finger. Just an assumption though, based on years of seeing this daily on forums.

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Originally Posted by Vahzl

I am kind of dubious of your claim that an LS requires you to bot to join them. What I can smell here is that there was some LS drama, and you have attempted to come out looking the bigger man by pointing the finger. Just an assumption though, based on years of seeing this daily on forums.

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ive seen shells on 11 require it, so i somehow wouldnt doubt it happening
its sad but it happens

Also good lord Vedis, how many 50 crafts?!!? O_O!

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Originally Posted by rainfish

Square have said time and again they have no way to prove if people bot claim NMs, so no matter what they do about these leveling bots adding new NMs like that will see claim bots back.

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100% false. They've never said anything even remotely close to this. Claim bots are actually the easiest bots for them to detect since it requires more than overlay.

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Originally Posted by TheVedis

ive seen shells on 11 require it, so i somehow wouldnt doubt it happening
its sad but it happens

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"Everyone wants to ride on the bus, but no one wants to drive." It was common for HNMLS to require it. Most felt that if you wanted to join b/c of all those HNM drops they were getting, you were gonna have to share the risk and help claim.

The amount of bot sympathizing on the board has reached comic level.

Do you not see the bot clearly walking up to any new target--PC, NPC--anything--trying to attack it? They basically play tennis with it, because it keeps testing if each of them is a coblyn.

It's not that the bot claimed a maidenbug. It's that the bot doesn't care that it's almost dead and won't be getting any sp for it.

They clearly demonstrated a character who automatically walks up to any targetable thing in its area and tries to attack it.
If a GM actually looked at that character's chat logs it would say.

You cannot attack that target.
You cannot attack that target.
You cannot attack that target.
You cannot attack that target.
You cannot attack that target.
You cannot attack that target.
You cannot attack that target.
You cannot attack that target.
You cannot attack that target.
The Maidenbug is engaged.

There's one of these in mun tuy, parked in the squirrel room that doesn't have agro spawn in it. Rank 50 lancer. Just straight farms shards, nonstop. Behaves EXACTLY like this, you can go play tennis with it too.

This bot systematically targets, locks on, runs to, and attempts to attack any new targetable character within its field of vision, which is why you can play tennis with them.

I can tell this is a bot. I can even tell which bot they're using.

What, you all can't?
Or you all won't?

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Originally Posted by Dimo

at first i had no clue what the video/bot was doing, but as soon as he claimed the target you already claimed..well thats just crazy.

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It wasn't claimed. If you watch the chat log, you'll see OP's party engaged Bardi near the start of the video, so they couldn't claim the Maidenbug.

The reason why bardi is in the picture is that it lets you mess with these bots and prove what they are by taking an enemy it can claim anywhere you want and make it claim that enemy...and thus you can take them anywhere you want. You can lead them into a high level agro area and kill them by presenting them with enemies that progressively take them further and further from their parking spot. You can face them into a wall so they don't claim anything new until they come back.

Claiming another enemy then presenting bots with hilarious situations where they are ALL about mopping up worthless enemies you already almost killed pretty much proves that the player behind that character is either mentally handicapped or not there.

It's not MPK if there's no player. We should all start posting youtube videos of us killing bots to prove wha they are.

Heck I'm about bored enough to do just that.

only way a gm can find out if it is a bot or not is if they send a /tell to that person to find out if they're at the console playing.