I'm disgusted with the bard nerf.

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Originally Posted by Luso

Rain of death wasn't really a nerf. The evasion down is needed for multiple classes.

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Im not sure who your talking about. All hard modes and higher have gear checks now, and the main go-to gear (Darklight) is loaded with ACC.

RoD nerf is actually a buff. Now that WAR takes care of the debuff you don't need to spend TP for it anymore. What's there to be angry about?

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Originally Posted by OmegaFlare

The nerf RoD and the change to virus really affect everyone. It actually makes things a lot harder. Thing is I'm not sure there's an alternative to RoD and virus. Tanks are gonna drop more often in T5 without those supporting abilities.

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Storm's Path got the 10% Damage Debuff, which means that WAR + PLD is the Best selection.

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Originally Posted by Axidrain

uh i think ur confusing paeon with ROD

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No some baddie in here said no one needs TP. He is a baddie and I was pointing it out. As for RoD... no one cares except bards.

Last two months. "OMFG THEY ARE GOING TO NERF US WE SUCK I NO FOIE BLWOINDJOEIJ!!!!"

Now "OMFG THEY BARELY TOUCHED US BUT ONE ABILITY IS LESS GOOD SO IM AM GOING TO QUIT THE GAME AND RAGE OWIEF:IJ!!!!"

You guys will never be happy... just admit it.

IF/WHEN a pure DPS Archer job comes you babies better not complain about their dmg. "You are supposed to be a support class" won't work anymore. I would love to see what you babies would complain about.

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Originally Posted by Rochetm

No some baddie in here said no one needs TP. He is a baddie and I was pointing it out. As for RoD... no one cares except bards.

Last two months. "OMFG THEY ARE GOING TO NERF US WE SUCK I NO FOIE BLWOINDJOEIJ!!!!"

Now "OMFG THEY BARELY TOUCHED US BUT ONE ABILITY IS LESS GOOD SO IM AM GOING TO QUIT THE GAME AND RAGE OWIEF:IJ!!!!"

You guys will never be happy... just admit it.

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its one skill that will probably never be used again because of that

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Originally Posted by Seobit

RoD nerf is actually a buff. Now that WAR takes care of the debuff you don't need to spend TP for it anymore. What's there to be angry about?

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NOT when you have 5-6 target hitting on you like in coil turn 4 bug leech. Like i said, you reap what you sow. Don;t come crying if tank got one shot by death sentence

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Originally Posted by Axidrain

its one skill that will probably never be used again because of that

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Welcome to the world of every other job with a long list of stuff we never use. Congrats!

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Originally Posted by Rochetm

Welcome to the world of every other job with a long list of stuff we never use. Congrats!

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lol which is the point. why the hell would we want less skills to use?

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Originally Posted by Axidrain

lol which is the point. why the hell would we want less skills to use?

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Your sig says you have all jobs to 50. If you don't want easymode don't play easymode.

Evasion Down.... lol that is hilarious. Well, at least bards won't have to worry about RoD as a TP sink!

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Originally Posted by Rochetm

Your sig says you have all jobs to 50. If you don't want easymode don't play easymode.

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wow u have some serious comprehension issues.

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Originally Posted by Seobit

RoD nerf is actually a buff. Now that WAR takes care of the debuff you don't need to spend TP for it anymore. What's there to be angry about?

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WAR is becoming more and more attractive as a tank.

Well, I guess this will resolve some TP issues at least? Sucks, but I see very few situations where I'd use RoD anymore outside of the free proc.

It's definitely unfortunate. I suppose they saw it was a useful ability, and slapped it onto Warrior so people would finally start asking them to the dance.

10% Evasion Down sure as hell isn't worth 200 TP, however. Perhaps if it was 100 TP, or even 150, it would be a little more balanced. Because at the moment, as long as you are intelligent with your Mythos/Allagan gearing, you'll never worry about Accuracy.

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Originally Posted by Andybell256

Seriously you made a thread to complain about pointless changes that hardly affect us

- Rain of Death now gives -10% enemy eva instead of -10% enemy attack (with 100% acc isn't that useless?).
Was only ever really used as a free tp attack with proc anyway -damage wasn't ever needed

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I am just amused at how much people complained about BRD damage being too high and being too mobile and needing a damage nerf so they can "realize their true role as support." Our nerfs to our cross-class abilities can be shrugged off for the most part, but the developers go ahead and nerf one of our best utilities that benefit the entire group and some people have the gall to walk into this thread and say that the RoD nerf was either justified or harmless? Do these people even realize what RoD offered?

I'm a little concerned though, that the person I quoted is also a BRD and could not comprehend the benefits our "old" RoD provided.

I know full well that Rod can be useful however it was never a necessary skill it was never OMG use Rod we need the debuff in any of the turns, it seems pointless to change the skill thats the biggest issue here really of all skills to change why this skill, but the overall impact is minimal really.

Also if you look at all the job changes collectively it seems that they have been made to make warrior more desirable, rather than omg my job has been nerfed look at the bigger picture so many players are really narrow sighted. fyi those that didnt look warrior now has a skill to reduce enemy damage we havent lost the ability to cause the debuff and monk has a damage increase as a party the changes are relatively small and imo have succeeded in balancing the jobs.

i would prefer if they took away ROD and give me another cross skill slot. meheheh at least it'll be something i will be using

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Originally Posted by Andybell256

I know full well that Rod can be useful however it was never a necessary skill it was never OMG use Rod we need the debuff in any of the turns, it seems pointless to change the skill thats the biggest issue here really of all skills to change why this skill, but the overall impact is minimal really.

Also if you look at all the job changes collectively it seems that they have been made to make warrior more desirable, rather than omg my job has been nerfed look at the bigger picture so many players are really narrow sighted. fyi those that didnt look warrior now has a skill to reduce enemy damage we havent lost the ability to cause the debuff and monk has a damage increase as a party the changes are relatively small and imo have succeeded in balancing the jobs.

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Hang on, you run coil and you never use rod on leech bugs on turn 4? Never on muilt stacked snake and never rod on twintania? I find your story hard to believe. War skill only affect 1 target and rod is a aoe. that;s different. It is like SE is FORCE people to use war. Forcing people to change is never a good thing.

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Originally Posted by Xellos2099

Hang on, you run coil and you never use rod on leech bugs on turn 4? Never on muilt stacked snake and never rod on twintania? I find your story hard to believe. War skill only affect 1 target and rod is a aoe. that;s different. It is like SE is FORCE people to use war. Forcing people to change is never a good thing.

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im also concerned of that 427 accuracy of his. hmmm....

maybe he meant cleared Turn 1? maybe??

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Originally Posted by Xellos2099

Hang on, you run coil and you never use rod on leech bugs on turn 4? Never on muilt stacked snake and never rod on twintania? I find your story hard to believe

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i use it as a free tp attack when it procs wide volley is more tp efficient, my group lb's snakes and our healers dont suck so the 10% reduction for death sentence isnt needed as it only shaves a max of 600ish damage off

I'm happy about the "nerf" personally. It was much less detrimental that I thought it would be considering how powerful BRD is and will continue to be. I was expecting them to remove blood for blood completely, but nope! And now I don't even need to waste TP with RoD (lol).

Nobody brings BRD for RoD, so I don't really see how this is a nerf. BRD+mage combo is the strongest in the game currently. People use BRD for its songs and its extremely high DPS, hence the minor nerf.

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Originally Posted by Xellos2099

Hang on, you run coil and you never use rod on leech bugs on turn 4? Never on muilt stacked snake and never rod on twintania? I find your story hard to believe. War skill only affect 1 target and rod is a aoe. that;s different. It is like SE is FORCE people to use war. Forcing people to change is never a good thing.

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That Andy guy claims we miss to see the bigger picture, but besides what you pointed out correctly, WAR's storm debuff is part of their DPS rotation. Not their enmity generating rotation.
So WAR's mitigation will be:
- Single target
- Either used when off tanking or not upkept as much as RoD when tanking
- Impossible to be used in strategies like cadeceus where the tanks are apart

http://www.geekosystem.com/wp-conten...tman-tears.gif

You all knew it was coming.

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Originally Posted by Andybell256

i use it as a free tp attack when it procs wide volley is more tp efficient, my group lb's snakes and our healers dont suck so the 10% reduction for death sentence isnt needed as it only shaves a max of 600ish damage off

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Anyone smell some BS here?

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Originally Posted by Axidrain

im also concerned of that 427 accuracy of his. hmmm....

maybe he meant cleared Turn 1? maybe?

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also please if your going to check my profile at least get your numbers correct 460 accuracy without food and if you viewed my profile you should have checked my achievements and seen i have binds that tie 2

To be honest, I expected a bigger nerf so I am quite satisfied lol. :D

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Originally Posted by Majidah

That Andy guy claims we miss to see the bigger picture, but besides what you pointed out correctly, WAR's storm debuff is part of their DPS rotation. Not their enmity generating rotation.
So WAR's mitigation will be:
- Single target
- Either used when off tanking or not upkept as much as RoD when tanking
- Impossible to be used in strategies like cadeceus where the tanks are apart

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There is NO big picture. The simply fact is that, SE want to FORCE us to use War, but no one in their right mind ever will, , so they nerfed both virus and ROD. This will made turn 4-5 a lot harder than it needed to be with virus and rod nerf. Or they want to made turn 5 harder to prevent the lack of content. People cry about bard overpower on Titan so they nerfed bard and buff other to made other class more desirable. But in the end nothing will change, melee will always be the first one to die. In the end, melee bring it all upon themselves for harder fight, they reap what they sow and i will enjoy their tear when they suddenly wipe in turn 4.

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Originally Posted by AnthraxLam

Bards were suppose to be a support class from the beginning anyways.

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And how will they support with -10% eva instead of -10% attack then?

As i Dragoon i agree with the bard nerf, I was doing my rotation perfectly against Titan, and i was getting outdps by a low geared bard... You are supposed to be a support class...

Good Job Square Enix. Hope you dont revert that nerf !

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Originally Posted by Alish

I would really disagree here, and it really doesn't make much sense considering the new Hawk's Eye is pretty much going to give all of our skills used during the buff 100% accuracy.

200 TP is an insane amount of TP to invest into a 10% evasion down.

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You can get a free RoD from using Wide Volley - 15% chance. So on occasion when you are spamming mobs you will get the buff for free.

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Originally Posted by Kevanov

As i Dragoon i agree with the bard nerf, I was doing my rotation perfectly against Titan, and i was getting outdps by a low geared bard... You are supposed to be a support class...
Good Job Square Enix. Hope you dont revert that nerf !

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You didn't read thread, did you? BRD's dps is hardly effected after this "nerf". 1 useful support skill is killed thou...

but why -10% to evasion, debuff is useless... -10% to mobs acc would be much better.

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Originally Posted by Laf

You didn't read thread, did you? BRD's dps is hardly effected after this "nerf". 1 useful support skill is killed thou...

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- Blood for blood reduced to 10% in cross-job.
- Internal release reduced from 20% to 10% in cross job.

Yeah its true that the damage reduction was better than the evasion, i mean dps isnt as important as damage reduction for most fight.
I dont understand this change but for all the other changes, I agree with SE.

This thread is mainly about the rod change. Rest we can live with

wrong thread. hue

SE could do some adjustments to base damage and songs to make BRD a more proper support class, but I guess they just don't care.

It's an indirect buff to DPS, since you won't have to spam Rain of Death.

Group still get the affect if they bring a WAR tank.

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Originally Posted by Xellos2099

This thread is mainly about the rod change. Rest we can live with

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Yes. I can accept the dps nerf but the ROD nerf nope!

It totally sucks and it's going in the wrong direction for a supposed half-support class like bards.

Please remove this s**t.

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Originally Posted by Seobit

RoD nerf is actually a buff. Now that WAR takes care of the debuff you don't need to spend TP for it anymore. What's there to be angry about?

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I can just tell most people who post here have never ever ever ever cleared Turn 5. I'm going to tell you where the BRD debuff for RoD is going to be missed the most.
Surviving that first gigaflare from Twintania with 1-2 people having a couple stacks on them. I want to see a WAR run over to Twintania and put the debuff on her then run back to the neurolink. It was always nice to be able to apply the debuff from within the neurolink, but I guess I can live without seeing as how its the only time I use the ability.

Just one less thing I am expected to do, I'm fine with losing it.

But I don't know why they bothered giving it an evasion debuff as a replacement instead of simply bringing its TP cost down to a reasonable level, its not something that will ever have a use thanks to being able to cap accuracy.