Is 1.18 the final straw?

Its the final straw for me, there will be no more "They're busy overhauling" bullshit excuse and I'm fully expecting them to kick into motion and fix a lot of major issues. Otherwise its goodbye and sadly I probably wont return because I will of dedicated myself to another MMO and im sure many other people are in the same boat.

1.18 is actually a step backward for me, i doubt im going to like what they do with the battle system, i hope it wont be that bad, heck maybe they ll surprise me and be good.

But even if it is good, the game is going to need REAL content, leveling isnt content. battle where you have to do it as long as most MMOs make you will always get boring, they need Better stories, more weaved into regular gameplay, they need more gear, they need milestones for play, they need a bigger world, that gives you reasons to explore it. They need way more items, way more interesting bosses/fights more classes, they need way more of everything, we have the amount of content in this game that was meant to last 3 months tops.

They claim they were waiting for battle adjustments, well whatever, but you need to get that done fast, and get real content out like yesterday, i really hope they werent lying about having teams working on other stuff just waiting, because this game is in dire need of like 8 months of content. Dungeons is step 1, we need rapid steps after.

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Originally Posted by viion

Its the final straw for me, there will be no more "They're busy overhauling" bullshit excuse and I'm fully expecting them to kick into motion and fix a lot of major issues. Otherwise its goodbye and sadly I probably wont return because I will of dedicated myself to another MMO and im sure many other people are in the same boat.

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I'm gone now Viion. It was nice to meet you and I hope to see you in the gaming world again.

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Its the final straw for me, there will be no more

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Praise the lord

have fun trolling another forum viion =)

*gives you a banana nut bread*

why do people have to resort to labelling everyone as a troll

This is going to be make or break for me to, and with the job system info it's pointing to break.

I too am hoping this patch will make it for me. As others have said, it's like logging on to a chat room now. I've done one class to 50, so I can't really compare to others that have got more than myself, but I do know that I don't want to do the same boring leves over...

I hope these dungeons kick ass.

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Originally Posted by Azurymber

why do people have to resort to labeling everyone as a troll

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It depends on how people express their viewpoint and how they respond to opposition of that viewpoint. People are getting emotional and tends to snowball into shitstorms. I personally don't like to use the term because I don't think anyone here wants the game to fail. They just get...a little excited when it comes to their desires for the game.

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Originally Posted by Azurymber

why do people have to resort to labelling everyone as a troll

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Labeling, and actually being a troll are two different things, and im tired of it to be quite honest, Im on here for FFXIV, and the people the support it, and trying to make the game work out, not for Game bashers that have nothing to do but to make other games look like crap.

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Originally Posted by Starlord

Labeling, and actually being a troll are two different things, and im tired of it to be quite honest, Im on here for FFXIV, and the people the support it, and trying to make the game work out, not for Game bashers that have nothing to do but to make other games look like crap.

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well my friend besides this one your last 2 points had nopthing to do with anything and were troll garbage posts in my definition, and im sorry you log on to this games forum everyday and expect to see nothing but rainbows and sunshine. Honestly what you expect is a wet dream at best. the people that left this game are in a vast majority to the people who stick around and actually enjoy it, this doesnt count those who stick around to see where it goes, and this game will not survive just off of you alone. You need to realise that since you like this game so much you should be counting your lucky stars the game was made by SE cause of it was anyone else the plug woulda been pulled a while ago. And if things dont turn around, which i think the OP does a good thing by showing SE just where everyones lines are drawn, this game still has a possibility to die. SO if you dont like threads showing dislike for the game, dont read them or post on them and go play the game you enjoy.

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Originally Posted by Starlord

Praise the lord

have fun trolling another forum viion =)

*gives you a banana nut bread*

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I find it funny I get to you and to be honest your immature and mockery replies are about as annoying as someone who trolls, so in the end we're no different. I dislike something, I express that, you dislike me disliking and you express that. Thus I may be a troll at times, but you're just easily upset.

Compared to other people I am hardly a troll, infact I've never once made my own thread and I run a pretty dedicated and well liked XIV Community site that even if I quit XIV I will still run and dedicate myself to.

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Originally Posted by BloodLotus

Recently I've been finding myself with less and less interest to play ffxiv. I've been working on Goldsmithing off and on when the mood (or lack of anything else to do) hits. Sometimes I catch myself just sitting there looking at my other monitor going through these very forums hoping for some new news.

Last night during my static leve run I think I linked instead of aspecting... twice. This lack of focus came from a lack of interest which came from the fact that this was probably the 500th time I'd done these exact same leves since I started leveling a few fighting classes.

I woke up this morning about to log on and thought to myself, why? I'm going to log in and waste hours of my life grinding away doing the same motions that I've been doing for months and I have news for you SE, It's not fun.

The crafting system (like many people have said) is very boring. It was enjoyable at first, but when you creep up on your 500th hour of sitting in one spot hitting standard to finish a synth so you can throw it away to make room for more, the novelty ends quickly.

Where is the "content" for crafters? I seriously enjoyed the Alchemist storyline, why can't leves be more like that? Why can't our leve quests have meaning instead of the same "make 6 rings so the strippers can put them in sensitive places" everyday? Why can't we come to an NM fight and (like the Goldsmith quest with the spriggan) need to pick up items around the spawn point to craft and throw at the monster to weaken it? You have the mechanics already, how about you use your imaginations to put those mechanics to good use? There are hundreds (still thousands?) of people in the game that could come up with encounters using the same mechanics that are in place now... without needing an overhaul.

With the promise of actual content coming in 1.18 (Dungeons and their bosses mainly) we may actually have some more interesting things to do. But FFXIV was interesting at first too. How long will the novelty last? And will it be something we can enjoy at least 3 months down the road without wanting something different (aside from the usual trolls of course)

But if it fails (I mean miserably not troll whine fail) For how many of you is this the final straw?

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I'm in the exact same boat as you. Working on goldsmithing. Linking accidentally. Almost no interest to play.

Something needs to happen soon.

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Originally Posted by Azurus

well my friend besides this one your last 2 points had nopthing to do with anything and were troll garbage posts in my definition, and im sorry you log on to this games forum everyday and expect to see nothing but rainbows and sunshine. Honestly what you expect is a wet dream at best. the people that left this game are in a vast majority to the people who stick around and actually enjoy it, this doesnt count those who stick around to see where it goes, and this game will not survive just off of you alone. You need to realise that since you like this game so much you should be counting your lucky stars the game was made by SE cause of it was anyone else the plug woulda been pulled a while ago. And if things dont turn around, which i think the OP does a good thing by showing SE just where everyones lines are drawn, this game still has a possibility to die. SO if you dont like threads showing dislike for the game, dont read them or post on them and go play the game you enjoy.

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I do enjoy the game, but I come on here to see peoples ideas and point of views not "bashing the game" comments theirs a huge difference I'm sorry. and no actually, because I played and beat threw FFXIII and I never played it again because it wasn't " an up to snuff again" to do a rerun of it.

FFXI I played for 7 years best MMO, Am I still playing that now? no because its starting to get old now, I log on every now in then but I dont play like I used too.

Apparently people like you just don't see that alot of things has happen to them with the Earthquake and all, and the switching of the new dev teams. But Quite frankly, I just don't see you or the people that have responses like the one I quoted, people want thing now now now now now but what you and other people don't "Realize" is that they are hard working, and the game has improved alot ( not content wise I give ya all that). However, those updates, are to patch up a "broken game" that Tanaka and his crew left behind for Yoshi-P and his team.

You think its easy fixing a broken game? its not hard.. Its a Numbered FF game, I and several other people would want them to trash their Flagship title! The Series that Saved their company from bankruptcy.

Threads showing dislikes of the game? (which most of the time leads to bashing the game down!) don't you have better things to do then to trash games you don't like?

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Originally Posted by viion

I find it funny I get to you and to be honest your immature and mockery replies are about as annoying as someone who trolls, so in the end we're no different. I dislike something, I express that, you dislike me disliking and you express that. Thus I may be a troll at times, but you're just easily upset.

Compared to other people I am hardly a troll, infact I've never once made my own thread and I run a pretty dedicated and well liked XIV Community site that even if I quit XIV I will still run and dedicate myself to.

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Mockery? I'm telling you what im seeing out of you in almost every post you make. immature for giving my opinion that you bash down in the end along with the other idea "that are positive" You beat it down with a negative FFXIV sucks statements. You sir/ma'am are immature

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Originally Posted by Starlord

I do enjoy the game, but I come on here to see peoples ideas and point of views not "bashing the game" comments theirs a huge difference I'm sorry. and no actually, because I played and beat threw FFXIII and I never played it again because it wasn't " an up to snuff again" to do a rerun of it.

FFXI I played for 7 years best MMO, Am I still playing that now? no because its starting to get old now, I log on every now in then but I dont play like I used too.

Apparently people like you just don't see that alot of things has happen to them with the Earthquake and all, and the switching of the new dev teams. But Quite frankly, I just don't see you or the people that have responses like the one I quoted, people want thing now now now now now but what you and other people don't "Realize" is that they are hard working, and the game has improved alot ( not content wise I give ya all that). However, those updates, are to patch up a "broken game" that Tanaka and his crew left behind for Yoshi-P and his team.

You think its easy fixing a broken game? its not hard.. Its a Numbered FF game, I and several other people would want them to trash their Flagship title! The Series that Saved their company from bankruptcy.

Threads showing dislikes of the game? (which most of the time leads to bashing the game down!) don't you have better things to do then to trash games you don't like?

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Well man all those yous you are throwing around i am going to assume are not directed at me, as i am one of the people that does not really bash the game as i probably want it to succeed more then anybody, i just have this odd ability of seeing both sides of the coin and pisses me off when people act like its all just peaches and cream on this game. Im glad this game is coming around and ive been keeping my friends up to date on the changes as they happen so i can do my part to bring players back once the game is in order, however the complaint threads dont bother me as there are often good points of view that come out of alot of them.
You get awfully defensive and i have no idea why, then you are going to attack me even though you have a clear misunderstanding on my actual position on this game. Im telling you if you dont like these threads dont read them, simple as that. people like you, if i can throw around the personally attacking yous for a bit, do this game a disservice in the long run as you are just as blind as the trolls, and you blissfully ignore the fact that in reality you are damn close to not having a game at all. Ask games like tabula rasa and apb and a slew of others how their mmo went. Any other company and you would not have a game right now so instead of blindly white knighting i suggest you remember that fact. Do what you need to do and support this game and ignore these forums, because i'm sure nothing you like is going to come out of them.

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Originally Posted by Azurus

Well man all those yous you are throwing around i am going to assume are not directed at me, as i am one of the people that does not really bash the game as i probably want it to succeed more then anybody, i just have this odd ability of seeing both sides of the coin and pisses me off when people act like its all just peaches and cream on this game. Im glad this game is coming around and ive been keeping my friends up to date on the changes as they happen so i can do my part to bring players back once the game is in order, however the complaint threads dont bother me as there are often good points of view that come out of alot of them.
You get awfully defensive and i have no idea why, then you are going to attack me even though you have a clear misunderstanding on my actual position on this game. Im telling you if you dont like these threads dont read them, simple as that. people like you, if i can throw around the personally attacking yous for a bit, do this game a disservice in the long run as you are just as blind as the trolls, and you blissfully ignore the fact that in reality you are damn close to not having a game at all. Ask games like tabula rasa and apb and a slew of others how their mmo went. Any other company and you would not have a game right now so instead of blindly white knighting i suggest you remember that fact. Do what you need to do and support this game and ignore these forums, because i'm sure nothing you like is going to come out of them.

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I said my peace, I'm not going to argue with you ( no im not going to keep going on about it because its pointless and get gets both of us no where in this conversation other than bashing each other up.

I don't ignore the forums because I do see alot of people give Positive and negatives views on the game and how they want to improve it. What I don't like when I see here and their saying " SE sucks" or "FFXIV sucks" type posts in between all the actual ideas and thoughts.

I'm sorry for directing it at you, I'm just tired of the people who are saying things like that when there are really awesome ideas that SE can take, and it get bunched up with peoples hate of the game.

Anyways Im ending this conversation and again I'm sorry for pointing the finger at you when it wasn't you that dislikes it.

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Originally Posted by Starlord

I do enjoy the game, but I come on here to see peoples ideas and point of views not "bashing the game" comments theirs a huge difference I'm sorry. and no actually, because I played and beat threw FFXIII and I never played it again because it wasn't " an up to snuff again" to do a rerun of it.

FFXI I played for 7 years best MMO, Am I still playing that now? no because its starting to get old now, I log on every now in then but I dont play like I used too.

Apparently people like you just don't see that alot of things has happen to them with the Earthquake and all, and the switching of the new dev teams. But Quite frankly, I just don't see you or the people that have responses like the one I quoted, people want thing now now now now now but what you and other people don't "Realize" is that they are hard working, and the game has improved alot ( not content wise I give ya all that). However, those updates, are to patch up a "broken game" that Tanaka and his crew left behind for Yoshi-P and his team.

You think its easy fixing a broken game? its not hard.. Its a Numbered FF game, I and several other people would want them to trash their Flagship title! The Series that Saved their company from bankruptcy.

Threads showing dislikes of the game? (which most of the time leads to bashing the game down!) don't you have better things to do then to trash games you don't like?

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being blindy optimistic helps no one either, you need a realistic and varied view to understand whats going on, what you should notice here is people who have supported and enjoyed the game, getting tired of it and dissappointed, this is a real problem, if even diehards cant last, then what about average people? It takes time to do things and problems is all well and good, but there is a limit to peoples patience, different people have different limits,

8 months in, new team or no, people want to see something tangible. its not crazyness, its not trolling, its telling SE that they are reaching the point when people start to lose a connection to the game.

Its possible that the next update could add enough to keep people interested and connected, thats what the op is saying, or hoping for, some are saying that soon after they may get on track, but most people are just letting SE know, that now is the time, if they dont start adding real content, that makes people want to play the game soon, and put things on the table as coming soon that people are interested in, then they will lose more and more people, even when the game costs nothing.

As long as it's free to play I have no reason to not play it, just the amount of time I play it will vary.

I'll judge it once it's time to break open the wallets. Whatever version it may be at the time.

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Originally Posted by BloodLotus

Recently I've been finding myself with less and less interest to play ffxiv. I've been working on Goldsmithing off and on when the mood (or lack of anything else to do) hits. Sometimes I catch myself just sitting there looking at my other monitor going through these very forums hoping for some new news.

Last night during my static leve run I think I linked instead of aspecting... twice. This lack of focus came from a lack of interest which came from the fact that this was probably the 500th time I'd done these exact same leves since I started leveling a few fighting classes.

I woke up this morning about to log on and thought to myself, why? I'm going to log in and waste hours of my life grinding away doing the same motions that I've been doing for months and I have news for you SE, It's not fun.

The crafting system (like many people have said) is very boring. It was enjoyable at first, but when you creep up on your 500th hour of sitting in one spot hitting standard to finish a synth so you can throw it away to make room for more, the novelty ends quickly.

Where is the "content" for crafters? I seriously enjoyed the Alchemist storyline, why can't leves be more like that? Why can't our leve quests have meaning instead of the same "make 6 rings so the strippers can put them in sensitive places" everyday? Why can't we come to an NM fight and (like the Goldsmith quest with the spriggan) need to pick up items around the spawn point to craft and throw at the monster to weaken it? You have the mechanics already, how about you use your imaginations to put those mechanics to good use? There are hundreds (still thousands?) of people in the game that could come up with encounters using the same mechanics that are in place now... without needing an overhaul.

With the promise of actual content coming in 1.18 (Dungeons and their bosses mainly) we may actually have some more interesting things to do. But FFXIV was interesting at first too. How long will the novelty last? And will it be something we can enjoy at least 3 months down the road without wanting something different (aside from the usual trolls of course)

But if it fails (I mean miserably not troll whine fail) For how many of you is this the final straw?

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Aye, will probably leave for good if 1.18 is another letdown.

Might come back in a year or so but I worry the game won't make it that far.

Shame. My dearest final fantasy, all lost with nowhere to go.

Meh. Life's too short to be crafting bronze ingots for 5 hours every day.

Op is right. It's no fun.

only reason i cant login everyday is cuz all you do is the same shit all day everyday. i wouldnt be mad at them if they added alot more leves that did more than "kill these mobs" hell they should copy everquest 1 quest now thats not boring at all some quest take forever some dont but the thing is your killing, gathering and moving around the map, eq1 epic quest like FFXI AF armor quest took so long and made you feel like you were playing a RPG, only thing they should leave out is typing in key words for the npc to talk to you.
real quest adventure FFXIV's map is big why not use it and its only have the map we have access to. they should atleast make quest like FFXI's missions they were fun and a pain, but people logged in to do them.

@OP Patch 1.18 for many will be the "last straw". This to me means they will focus their attention that would have went to FF14 (if it were fun) onto something else. In they future they may give FF14 another look, but won't stress it.

Patch 1.18 for me isn't the last straw. It's another milestone (of many) that will continue to set everything in place to bring FF14 to proper fruition.

[CoolStoryBro]
Somewhere along the line FF14 has already convinced me that a miracle isn't going to just happen. At some point you come to the realization that there's nothing you can do but wait, obviously. However, at another point in time you will get to the point where you just won't play the game unless you are having fun (but still read updates).
I've not been playing FF14 on a constant basis since January 21st. Having been playing the game since day 1 of Alpha, through to CE release & to now, it starts to take it's toll.

[tl;dr]
We'll just have to wait & see, but in the meantime I'm not going to worry about it since i don't play FF14 that much as is. At least not until they add fun.

I haven't played in awhile. I feel the same as OP, though really for me it just sits on my hard drive waiting to be good. I have no reason to delete it, it's not like there's a monthly fee, so there it sits.

If it comes out and is suddenly good, of course I'll come back. But not until then. I have a feeling this is the state of a few hundred thousand. Waiting around.

It's kind of sad when you think about it. We originally heard of Project Rapture (SE was supposedly working on it since Chains of Promathia (2004)) so long ago, since that time there has been so much hope and interesting speculation as to what it could be. Even after it was announced as Final Fantasy XIV, I found it to look so interesting and hold so much potential, the speculation went on and on. I think of how long I have been waiting for this game, and then I think to myself "After that long of a wait, why was I handed this pile of crap?".

I agree that this game needs to pull through really soon or else there might not be much left for it. With all of the developers at SE that were pulled from different games (FFXI is so understaffed (I assume) that all they get is reused content patch after patch and small fixes to the game that were requested 8 years ago) I am left to wonder why we are where we are now. Is 1.18 really all they have up their sleeves? I hope not. Part of me wants to believe that they have amazing things like Ishgard close to release, maybe some really cool things to see at E3, however with things going the way they have been, I can't help but feel less than optimistic at times.

I really wanted this to be the game that I could call home away from home, and I was expecting somewhat of a dissapointment, but not this. What a complete let down this game was with what we got with the launch.

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Originally Posted by Darry

As long as it's free to play I have no reason to not play it, just the amount of time I play it will vary.

I'll judge it once it's time to break open the wallets. Whatever version it may be at the time.

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+1 to this. I'll make my final decision when they decide to start charging monthly for the game. Until that time, I am fairly happy with the rate of updates and their outline for what's to come.

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Originally Posted by normalforce

+1 to this. I'll make my final decision when they decide to start charging monthly for the game. Until that time, I am fairly happy with the rate of updates and their outline for what's to come.

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Exactly, how can you really be mad when it's free. It's like getting mad at Minecraft.

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Originally Posted by Alexis_Arteme

Exactly, how can you really be mad when it's free. It's like getting mad at Minecraft.

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The game wasnt free, it just doenst charge additional fees while having the few remaining people beta test.
It was a rip off and we can only hope it will be a least an ok investment. If it was free i think it would have been shut down since nobody would care at all. People only cared because they payed for the box and because its a ff title. Lets face it.

No F2P mmo would have survived that - no F2P mmo would have dont that either i think lol

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Originally Posted by Alexis_Arteme

Exactly, how can you really be mad when it's free. It's like getting mad at Minecraft.

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I paid 80 dollars for the game. (My mistake?) Some people were promised a global launch (same day) on the PC and PS3, and were let down to discover that the PS3 was delayed due to "technical difficulties" and not "a nearly empty game" so they went out and built themselves a PC just so they could play their beloved Final Fantasy game. This game was "free" if you were given a buddy pass (even then someone had to purchase a full copy of the game) but for the vast majority, it was not free.

If 1.18 fails then yes, ill probably quit and wait until they "finalize" the battle system and/or ps3 launch is announced (assuming those will probably be around the same time)

I'm fairly certain 1.18 won't be the miracle patch many are hoping it will be. They already hinted it by saying that we would only see the "start" of the battle system changes with this update. In other words, no complete overhaul.

I don't really mind so much that it's a gradual process, I accept that things take time, but they're taking slow to a whole new level. When they still haven't figured out how to add a delivery box system, it kinda gives you an idea how bad things are.

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Originally Posted by Alexis_Arteme

Exactly, how can you really be mad when it's free. It's like getting mad at Minecraft.

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it aint free, it cost money, up to this point they havent released enough content for a stand alone RPG, story, world and skill wise.

think about it, if you gained levels as fast as on offline rpg, how would the content they have allowed us to play measure up to a regular rpg?

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Originally Posted by Physic

it aint free, it cost money, up to this point they havent released enough content for a stand alone RPG, story, world and skill wise.

think about it, if you gained levels as fast as on offline rpg, how would the content they have allowed us to play measure up to a regular rpg?

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the prologue in most rpg has more content then ffxiv does all put together.

If with 1.18 they can put in the foundations for what they are going to build upon and actually tell us and lay out the plan by saying ok this is what the Grand Companies will be, this is what Player Companies will be, this is how the mount system will work, this is the job system and so on. Even if there is little content in 1.18 then I will be satisfied I think.

However if 1.18 comes and all we get is auto attack and no info then I will have lost all hope.

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Originally Posted by Anty

the prologue in most rpg has more content then ffxiv does all put together.

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Can you imagine an offline RPG with the story we have so far?

*Witness a short story in your nation of choice, afterwards you wonder "what happens next?" but never see the ending*

*Get shoved off to something completely off topic*

*Do some random missions that take maybe 1 hr 30 min total, most of which are simply "talk to x-npc, walk around some)*

*Witness an amazing cut scene out of nowhere that leaves off with you being told that you aren't strong enough for whats to come, you need to improve*

*The End*

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Originally Posted by Nikita

Can you imagine an offline RPG with the story we have so far?

*Witness a short story in your nation of choice, afterwards you wonder "what happens next?" but never see the ending*

*Get shoved off to something completely off topic*

*Do some random missions that take maybe 1 hr 30 min total, most of which are simply "talk to x-npc, walk around some)*

*Witness an amazing cut scene out of nowhere that leaves off with you being told that you aren't strong enough for whats to come, you need to improve*

*The End*

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Well, you can always just play solo and get the same experience.

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Originally Posted by Azurymber

why do people have to resort to labelling everyone as a troll

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The same reason people resort to labeling anything neutral or non-slanderous as defending.

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Originally Posted by Demacia

Why torture yourself? Do you really have to be THAT ahead of the game whenever content is released? Why not just wait until there IS content to level up.

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*(Know I'm backtracking)
Exactly what I'm thinking. You want all r50 jobs when new shit is released?

SE isn't gonna please everyone with the 1.18 update, so some of you minus well take a "Long" break.
Get yourself a nice job and work it and do something effective as a time sink, get yourself a nice big TV for when FF14 does get worked over.

Even though it was not free. This is not the first time many of us have made the bad decision to purchase a crappy game. Whenever we have made that bad decision I do not recall myself or anyone else running back to the developer to get their money back. SE did not force any of us to buy anything. False promises of a game, sure. We were all expecting a game facing 180 degrees of what it is now maybe. So, the reason that the game cost me money and therefore the company must do something about it is not valid. Unless, the game was unplayable at all. But we are all able to play the game, its just not fun. This is my opinion of course.

I think it's *vital* that even if they don't give us a lot in 1.18, that what we do get is of top notch quality. That means no cutting corners. I hope they understand how important this is.

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Originally Posted by Gramul

Well, you can always just play solo and get the same experience.

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Yeah! The online aspect has added so much to the story! I slowly got to 50 doing the same exact leves with the same exact monsters with friends. I got some gear with stats that mean almost nothing from friends. I stood in town wondering why I am still even logged in at this point with friends.

Yay for friends online!

LOL!!! So I just came up with a joke! "What did project rapture and the biblical rapture have in common?" "They both ended up dissaponting a lot of people..." LAMEEE! But I laughed.

My friend responded "they're both endorsed by lunatics!?" lol! :D

Mod edit inc? :(

Sounds like you're burnt out Bloodlotus, happened to me about a month ago, I am waiting for 1.18 before I go back and if its not good enough I'll probably quit for good or at least until PS3 launch.

I think most of us have either got to the point or are getting to the point of wanting to quit so your not on your own.