[dev1008] Petition to have Jumping implement

I haven't seen any compelling arguement against jump beside

- 'Jump is totally not FF like!! No FF has ever had jump and thats the reason it should stay that way!' or Cause FF was never innovative and in fact they have released the same exact game over and over again with new graphics, cause it worked and thats the way it was and it was FF!!! ???

- 'I dont want to see everyone jump like bunnies!!!1'
*watch out, once we have the jump ability all will turn to easter bunnies and jump just to irritate YOU. Cause people have nothing better to do like have fun or do things in game etc*
and the best reasons yet...

- 'it breaks my immersion' . . . . lol

Seriously. Let there be jump. Get over your hate of the most successful MMO - WOW and please don't think putting things in the game are stealing it from wow. Some things should standard in the gaming market today. Wow was not the first game with jump, and its definitely not the only one.

Considering the chart is plans up to SUMMER 2011 and Summer starts in about a month...I'm liking the looks of 1.17b and 1.18. I think this game is finally hitting the point where it'll be really fun to play.

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Originally Posted by Sonic_the_Hedgehog

How about you go read the Producer Letter and see the shit they're adding before you go jumping down my damn throat. Jump may make the game for fun for YOU but it makes no impact on my gameplay. I've played Zelda for years and none of the 3D versions have jump and that didn't make them any less fun.

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No it didn't make it less fun you are right.. but on the other hand, it could have made it MORE FUN!

If it doesn't impact your game play, why take a stance against it?

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Originally Posted by Ceons

I haven't seen any compelling arguement against jump beside

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I haven't seen any compelling argument for it beyond:

"It will let me explore more!"

No it won't. The game has to be designed for it.

"It will let me get over small ledges!"

Collision detection changes solves that.

You say:

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Get over your hate

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Yoshida says it's not important, therefore low priority, so it's time to get over it and realize it's not important.

No jumping thank you. A further removal of environmental collision detection (allowing us to climb/drop cliffs everywhere) makes jumping completely obsolete and useless for anything else than griefing.

The implementation of jumping dropped to low priority and possibly being completely ruled out is one of the best news in this producer letter.

besides, there are already plenty threads on the topic. Maybe you should have posted in those.

Let me say I'm not against jumping if they implemented it I would be ok with it, but I don't think it's more important than the other things they're working on right now. Let's get the things that matter out of the way first.

I don't like the whole WoW style jumping but I can't blame people for wanting it with the awful map design we have.

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Originally Posted by Demacia

I don't like the whole WoW style jumping but I can't blame people for wanting it with the awful map design we have.

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Which can be solved much more conveniently (and in a much less annoying way) by further removing environmental collision detection where it doesn't make sense, giving the ability to climb cliffs and drop down from them.
Which is exactly what they're doing, mind you.

Yoshi-P didnt say that they werent going to implement it, its just being put on the backburner for now because the foundation of the entire game, actual substantial content and the battle system, are much more important than having the option to jump at this time. As a reply to an earlier post, yes, auto attack is THAT important as it stands, because unless they get the base of the combat system right, no one will care whether you can jump or not.

Also i'm sure they have to go back and do mocap for the jump animations to get them just right, if they decide to implement jump, whether an auto-jump or manual jump.

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Originally Posted by Abriael

Which can be solved much more conveniently (and in a much less annoying way) by further removing environmental collision detection where it doesn't make sense, giving the ability to climb cliffs and drop down from them.
Which is exactly what they're doing, mind you.

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I really wish i could see someone give a valid, intelligent argument against jump other then "it's annoying" or bunnies and wtv.... People for jumping gave more then enough reasons on why we should have it and it all made sense and was well thought out.

So in my book it's people for jumping 1, people against jump 0. Until someone makes a valid argument that is.

they never have any good reason

their only reason is about their feeling which they don't like it and that's their reason

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Originally Posted by Ceons

I haven't seen any compelling arguement against jump beside

- 'Jump is totally not FF like!! No FF has ever had jump and thats the reason it should stay that way!' or Cause FF was never innovative and in fact they have released the same exact game over and over again with new graphics, cause it worked and thats the way it was and it was FF!!! ???

- 'I dont want to see everyone jump like bunnies!!!1'
*watch out, once we have the jump ability all will turn to easter bunnies and jump just to irritate YOU. Cause people have nothing better to do like have fun or do things in game etc*
and the best reasons yet...

- 'it breaks my immersion' . . . . lol

Seriously. Let there be jump. Get over your hate of the most successful MMO - WOW and please don't think putting things in the game are stealing it from wow. Some things should standard in the gaming market today. Wow was not the first game with jump, and its definitely not the only one.

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Game is fine without jump, hence people wanting it should be making the arguments for it. Not the other way around.

And mostly I see children stomping their feet screaming "Gimme jump!!" Why? "Because I want to jump!!" After that your only arguments are insults to FF & XI players or pulling the WoW persecution card. Like I said previously, retarded & whiny.

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Originally Posted by Onidemon

I really wish i could see someone give a valid, intelligent argument against jump other then "it's annoying" or bunnies and wtv.... People for jumping gave more then enough reasons on why we should have it and it all made sense and was well thought out.

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Unfortunately for this absolutely silly statement, the fact that an argument isn't valid for you doesn't make it less valid.

Plenty valid, compelling and intelligent arguments have been made against jumping. You not liking them has no bearing at all on their validity.

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Originally Posted by Onidemon

So in my book it's people for jumping 1, people against jump 0. Until someone makes a valid argument that is.

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See, fact is that your book is completely inconsequential. The dev's book is what matters, and quite evidently, given the drop in priority of the implementation of jumping, the very clear possibility that it will never be implemented, and the fact that they're instead tweaking environmental collision detection (as many that are against jumping suggested) as a much more convenient feature, it's people for jumping 0, people against jump 1.

Sorry to burst a bubble. Oh wait... I'm not really THAT sorry, mind you.

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Originally Posted by Evangela

they never have any good reason

their only reason is about their feeling which they don't like it and that's their reason

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Then i assume you are skimming over everyone's posts and only hear what you want to hear. There are valid arguments coming from either side, but its the people that are for jump implementation that are being the obnoxious children.

All you are saying is that the people that are against it have no valid arguments, and you dont even care to explain why their arguments do not work. No, you are only stating that they are wrong, period, end of story.

At least be constructive if you are going to stand by your opinion, and stop pointing out how others' opinions are all wrong but yours.

i don't really care for jumping if they add it or not. if they add, then i guess cool. we didn't have jumping in FFXI and it didn't bother me at all. FFXI was one of my favorite MMO's if not my only favorite. played for 6+yrs with no jumping.........

where is the dislike/thumbs down button?

I would love to have scalable terrain and platforming elements that use jump. It will probably never happen in this game, though.

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Originally Posted by quantumsaint

I would love to have scalable terrain and platforming elements that use jump. It will probably never happen in this game, though.

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probably because this game (thank goodness) is a MMORPG, and not a platformer.

Super Mario galaxy -> that way.

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Originally Posted by Abriael

Unfortunately for this absolutely silly statement, the fact that an argument isn't valid for you doesn't make it less valid.

Plenty valid, compelling and intelligent arguments have been made against jumping. You not liking them has no bearing at all on their validity.



See, fact is that your book is completely inconsequential. The dev's book is what matters, and quite evidently, given the drop in priority of the implementation of jumping, the very clear possibility that it will never be implemented, and the fact that they're instead tweaking environmental collision detection (as many that are against jumping suggested) as a much more convenient feature, it's people for jumping 0, people against jump 1.

Sorry to burst a bubble. Oh wait... I'm not really THAT sorry, mind you.

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You talk a lot yet i don't see any of those fabled valid arguments, and there i was getting excited i would see one in that wall of text.

The dev put it as a low priority simply because if you have to chose between jumping and the battle system/jobs etc it's quite clear which deserves more attention at the moment.

So I'm still waiting to see those arguments that are supposedly "there" and that will make me say "hmm... yeah that kind of makes sense."

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Originally Posted by quantumsaint

I would love to have scalable terrain and platforming elements that use jump. It will probably never happen in this game, though.

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Unless they redesign all of the current maps to make certain areas only discoverable by jumping..

It really isn't needed. It would end up towards the end of the priority list if they did consider the feature.

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Originally Posted by Onidemon

The dev put it as a low priority simply because if you have to chose between jumping and the battle system/jobs etc it's quite clear which deserves more attention at the moment.

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Not just battle adjustments, but pretty much put Jumping behind the entire game development. Its not a "Holy shit we need to add this ASAP" feature. Not at all.

The only reason jumping would be seen useful are the small ledges that we still cant seem to pass. Well, even with jumping, we still wouldn't be able to pass that "invisible wall."

All they really need to do is get rid of that invisible wall so that people can get passed.

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Originally Posted by Nuru

Then i assume you are skimming over everyone's posts and only hear what you want to hear. There are valid arguments coming from either side, but its the people that are for jump implementation that are being the obnoxious children.

All you are saying is that the people that are against it have no valid arguments, and you dont even care to explain why their arguments do not work. No, you are only stating that they are wrong, period, end of story.

At least be constructive if you are going to stand by your opinion, and stop pointing out how others' opinions are all wrong but yours.

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I don't want jumping! It's annoying me to see you do it! You look like a monkey! You are breaking my immersion! = Children

Jumping can introduce interesting gameplay mechanics. Jumping can give your character more mobility and freedom. It helps avoid obstacles by jumping over them rather then going around. Future level design can use jumping for some clever and fun gameplay= adults with valid constructive arguments.

Why are we even arguing about this?

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Originally Posted by Abriael

probably because this game (thank goodness) is a MMORPG, and not a platformer.

Super Mario galaxy -> that way.

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Yet 90% of mmorpgs have jumping.... besides.. hmmm... FFXI and FFXIV?

I'm waiting for those valid arguments too against jump as well...

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Originally Posted by Onidemon

Yet 90% of mmorpgs have jumping.... besides.. hmmm... FFXI and FFXIV?

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And? Should we demand starships and aliens because other MMOs have it?

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Originally Posted by Ceons

I'm waiting for those valid arguments too against jump as well...

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You can read back on the multiple threads (some of which opened by the same troll that quite obviously thinks that his issues are much more important than anyone else's and deserve multiple places to be discussed, lol) on this topic and find plenty.

Again, the fact that an argument isn't valid *for you* has absolutely no bearing on it's actual validity. No one is here to convince you, as convincing you, or any other random forum poster, is absolutely inconsequential.

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Originally Posted by Ceons

I'm waiting for those valid arguments too against jump as well...

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Game will be just fine without it. No other argument needed = D

The only valid arguments against jumping is that FF14's design does not call for it. Simply, we do not, realistically, NEED it (read: need != want). Another is that it takes up development time when they should be focusing on other things.

Other than that, i believe it should be added eventually. It seems to do more good than bad in abstract.

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Originally Posted by Onidemon

[COLOR=darkred][B]I don't want jumping! It's annoying me to see you do it! You look like a monkey! You are breaking my immersion! = Children

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Originally Posted by Nuru

Then i assume you are skimming over everyone's posts and only hear what you want to hear.
At least be constructive if you are going to stand by your opinion, and stop pointing out how others' opinions are all wrong but yours.

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Again, i have to say.

...Please, by god. Tell me on a scale of importance, 1-10 how Jumping is important to this game.

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Originally Posted by Tezz_Xivectro

The only valid arguments against jumping is that FF14's design does not call for it. Simply, we do not, realistically, NEED it (read: need != want). Another is that it takes up development time when they should be focusing on other things.

Other than that, i believe it should be added eventually. It seems to do more good than bad in abstract.

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This is how a lot of people feel about this, including me. Though I don't seem to understand why people think we are still against jumping.

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Originally Posted by Leeloo

Game will be just fine without it. No other argument needed = D

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fine is not good enough, sorry. People want awesome and that includes jump. Valid argument?

this game is not even "fine"...

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Originally Posted by Nuru

This is how a lot of people feel about this, including me. Though I don't seem to understand why people think we are still against jumping.

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Personally, i don't care if i can jump or not as long as you can't bunny-hop spam. That's one of the biggest complaints for most people (esp. FF11 players). There are ways around jump spamming, so i hope SE takes this into consideration.

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Originally Posted by Ceons

fine is not good enough, sorry. People want awesome and that includes jump. Valid argument?

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Too bad that the equation jumping = awesome is your opinion only. Quite obviously a lot of people (and the dev team) disagree.

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Originally Posted by Abriael

And? Should we demand starships and aliens because other MMOs have it?

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90-95% of mmos have starships and aliens? That's some news to me, Goddamn we should too then! The empire in FFXIV sure has the technology for it and aliens(Jenova FFVII) is not unheard of in a FF game. Another invalid argument.

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Originally Posted by Abriael

You can read back on the multiple threads (some of which opened by the same troll that quite obviously thinks that his issues are much more important than anyone else's and deserve multiple places to be discussed, lol) on this topic and find plenty.

Again, the fact that an argument isn't valid *for you* has absolutely no bearing on it's actual validity. No one is here to convince you, as convincing you, or any other random forum poster, is absolutely inconsequential.

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Why would i read back when i have someone against Jumping right here trying to make his point but is yet to provide me with a single argument against jumping.

Dude just give it up you lost that battle...

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Originally Posted by Onidemon

90-95% of mmos have starships and aliens? That's some news to me, Goddamn we should too then! The empire in FFXIV sure has the technology for it and aliens(Jenova FFVII) is not unheard of in a FF game. Another invalid argument.

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Again, i'm sorry, you're not the judge of the validity of an argument. Sorry to burst a bubble :D

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Why would i read back when i have someone against Jumping right here trying to make his point but is yet to provide me with a single argument against jumping.

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because that someone has posted such arguments multiple time, and he doesn't need to repeat them for your sake, especially due to the fact that your opinion on the matter is completely inconsequential to what will be implemented or not in the game. Convincing you or any other random forum poster with very selective reading abilities is of zero importance.

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Dude just give it up you lost that battle...[/B]

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Oh really? and I lost it because you say so?

Looking at the producer letter looks like we're winning that battle, and that's exactly the reason why you're raging :D

I still don't want jump. I see more annoyance than enjoyment coming out of it

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Originally Posted by Abriael

Too bad that the equation jumping = awesome is your opinion only. Quite obviously a lot of people (and the dev team) disagree.

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No, dev agree jump is needed, in fact they suggested it. The only thing that happened now is that they decided the battle and the complete rework of the game was to be done first.

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Originally Posted by Tezz_Xivectro

Personally, i don't care if i can jump or not as long as you can't bunny-hop spam. That's one of the biggest complaints for most people (esp. FF11 players). There are ways around jump spamming, so i hope SE takes this into consideration.

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Great another person afraid to see someone jump in a game. OMG! lets not add jump cause someone might be upset to see another jump *sarcasm*

SOlution to jump smamming = make it take stamina!

I do NOT think jumping is necessary in the game at this time.

I vote NO on a jumping feature.

Argue all you guys want, but in the long run, its up to the devs. To be honest, there is no telling whether they are implementing it or not, but they really need to give a yes or no so that this argument can finally die.

I also mentioned earlier... and is a question for the people that want jumping.

What kind of jumping do you want? Collision-based? Manual/Free?

Free Jumping is not needed, in my opinion. But Collision-based would probably be the best of both worlds. the fact that it makes your character look more livelier than just walking/running is what people want right?

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Originally Posted by Ceons

Great another person afraid to see someone jump in a game. OMG! lets not add jump cause someone might be upset to see another jump *sarcasm*

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LMAO, not that he is afraid, but there is no need for Free-Jump. Collision-Based I can support 100% though. Jumping in general is a visual effect, it does not serve any purpose or is needed with the way the world is right now.

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Originally Posted by Ceons

fine is not good enough, sorry. People want awesome and that includes jump. Valid argument?

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Jumping alone does not equal awesome. Like others have mentioned, if it served a meaningful purpose then maybe.

In a game that needs more important things done, I think it's useless to whine about not having jump now. It's not an all or nothing thing. I wouldn't cry & run away to another game if they ever implemented jump. I just think your arguments for it aren't strong & the game doesn't need it. So it annoys me to see a petition demanding an unimportant thing.

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this game is not even "fine"...

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True, but not because jump is missing...