[Dev1058] General Job Petetions and Discussion

I'm quite fond of Dancer really, however I'm not sure how it would be utilized in "this" world.

Edit: I support the other jobs listed in this thread as well. I think it would be fun to see jobs from all over the Final Fantasy Series implimented.

We ALL got a little overexcited and we're all over it now. We should seriously move on to the topic at hand.

On that note ...

... a Gladiator is an Armory Class. Just as a Conjurer is an Armory Class. A Soldier would be a Job, and as Akihiko Matsui says, Jobs are used to perform specialized roles in parties. Gladiator has no specialization. Neither does Conjurer nor Marauder.

The Soldier job would provide specialization to inflict maximum punishment on enemy personnel (i.e. break stuff and kill people). Against humanoids, they would excel because they have skills that destroy equipment. Against fluffy monsters, they would be less effective as those particular skills would be less useful.

A Job like ... say, Berserker could be made to be more effective against fluffy critter like Aldgoats, but still be all about damage dealing.

I wanna see sch, drg and cor from ffxi.

DRG obiously would be unlocked by lancer, COR would be from muskateer (when it gets implemented) and all they could do with SCH would be a hybrid from THM and CON.

Hybridisation could be a good root to go down so you need 2 classes a specific rank to unlock a Job, might be better to go into more detail in another thread to avoid derailing it

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Originally Posted by BrusselSprout

Well, now that the nerd rage is over, I would like to throw out some ideas for jobs that transition from DoH classes.

For instance, alchemist can perform a quest in which they learn the art of potion tossing and unlock the job of Pharmacist (or some other less dumb name).

Likewise, a miner might take a quest in which they learn to use explosives, and unlock Demolitionist.

I think that would give people who have chosen to craft and gather as a profession a good path to combat. I've just thrown out some general ideas as far as the classes. I'm sure something more "Final Fantasy" feeling can be thought up ^^

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I was thinking about this, by making some crafting/gathering specializations, they can give crafters/gatherers a role in combat, and since jobs seem like they wont use leveling, they dont have to worry about not getting exp. The only problem is, im assuming they ll still be gimp in combat compared to other classes, so would it really serve a purpose?

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Originally Posted by Musoka

I'm quite fond of Dancer really, however I'm not sure how it would be utilized in "this" world.

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+1 x infinity

This was what I was going to suggest this as well... it was my favorite in FFXI and I would love to see it make a return in some form to FFXIV. I would even like it if they changed it slightly to fit in this world better.

Dancer Type Please <3

I would also, as other have said, like to see a:

Beastmaster Type
Dragoon Type
Summoner Type

While I know the creators already have ideas for jobs, they did say early on that they would implement pet classes at some point. They just felt implementing it from the start would unbalance the game, so my hope is some of these pet type classes/jobs will return to FFXIV in some form. I think that would be lovely!

<3

Puppetmaster :D a GOOD Puppetmaster.
The mammet automation are adorable already

that list misses

[SIZE="5"]NINJA[/SIZE]

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Originally Posted by Sorel

We ALL got a little overexcited and we're all over it now. We should seriously move on to the topic at hand.

On that note ...

... a Gladiator is an Armory Class. Just as a Conjurer is an Armory Class. A Soldier would be a Job, and as Akihiko Matsui says, Jobs are used to perform specialized roles in parties. Gladiator has no specialization. Neither does Conjurer nor Marauder.

The Soldier job would provide specialization to inflict maximum punishment on enemy personnel (i.e. break stuff and kill people). Against humanoids, they would excel because they have skills that destroy equipment. Against fluffy monsters, they would be less effective as those particular skills would be less useful.

A Job like ... say, Berserker could be made to be more effective against fluffy critter like Aldgoats, but still be all about damage dealing.

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Sounds good, though I am very curious as to what you guys think will be done for Summoner. I mean, it's already obvious from the main storyline quest's cutscenes that characters with the Echo have the ability to summon the Primals. So there has to be some way to make this work.

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Originally Posted by Physic

I was thinking about this, by making some crafting/gathering specializations, they can give crafters/gatherers a role in combat, and since jobs seem like they wont use leveling, they dont have to worry about not getting exp. The only problem is, im assuming they ll still be gimp in combat compared to other classes, so would it really serve a purpose?

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It all depends on how it's implemented. For example, borrowing the miner -> demolitionist example I used earlier, you might make their job specialization be DD + chance to disorient on each blast, perhaps with some class specific skills to incap body parts (land mines or something). Perhaps they would be less potent DD than a purely combat oriented job, but
I don't think they would be useless.

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Originally Posted by SilvertearRen

Maybe you don't have the ability to put yourself in the developers' shoes. Can you imagine trying to overhaul a combat system, while having the community naggering away in your ear with all sorts of redundant-ish suggestions that they didn't ask for?

My point is this: If they aren't asking us for suggestions, don't give them suggestions that are pointless, redundant and a waste of oxygen.

Here are the jobs that are OBVIOUSLY going to come to the game: Fencer, Musketeer, Mystic (Summoner?), Arcanist (Bard?), Samurai, and Dragoon. Those are the combat jobs that are clearly going to be planned for the game at some point in the future. It's collaborated by DAT leaks and pre-existing NPCs (there are NPCs called Dragoons around the game, and they are Ishgardian in origin).

So that said, just save us the headaches and just not clutter up the forums with job suggestions. Just because Matsui announced that there will be a job system, doesn't mean he has no ideas on what jobs to implement. He already has a plan, and it's pretty much well along in development - if we're going to be making suggestions, make them with the mental note that they will NOT be implemented in this dev cycle unless it's already been planned by the dev team.

That is to say, Matsui has already decided on what jobs will be implemented in this first dev cycle. Any new suggestions will be ignored. The only chance a viable suggestion would get implemented, would be in the form of an expansion. So if you're going to make a suggestion, make it with the exception that you will never see it implemented for at least a year.

This will help prevent unnecessarily raised expectations that will lead to a massive disappointment when the new jobs are announced. Seriously, you people are like 13-year olds...

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Hey smartypants.

There is data in the game already for a bard that is separate from arcanist. Bard is not arcanist. Also, there is an area in Gridania intended for bards, with the bard logo.

Edit: Also, Mystic currently has nothing to do with summoner. It seems more like a white mage if anything based on current data on spells and abilities.

Oracle
Blue Mage (Impish Incantations Please)(1000 Needles)

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Originally Posted by Rjain

Hey smartypants.

There is data in the game already for a bard that is separate from arcanist. Bard is not arcanist. Also, there is an area in Gridania intended for bards, with the bard logo.

Edit: Also, Mystic currently has nothing to do with summoner. It seems more like a white mage if anything based on current data on spells and abilities.

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Bards from XI had time-altering spells. Arcanist has time-altering spells.

And why would we need a White Mage (Mystic) when we already have Conjurer and Thaumaturge? (White Mage/Black Mage types, respectively)

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Originally Posted by SilvertearRen

Bards from XI had time-altering spells. Arcanist has time-altering spells.

And why would we need a White Mage (Mystic) when we already have Conjurer and Thaumaturge? (White Mage/Black Mage types, respectively)

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So did Time Mage, Green Mage, Blue Mage, and a dozen other magic and non-magic classes throughout the FF series. Time-alternating spells are not uncommon.

White Mage also does more than just heal stuff. They use holy magic. Mystic's spells are aligned to astral elements.

to start they should just copy/paste the jobs in FFXI for the time being

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Originally Posted by Gramul

Samurai: as suggested by NeoEarth

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the other post has 22+ lol... too bad we couldn't make that 21 a 43

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Originally Posted by SilvertearRen

That's GLADIATOR, dipstick.

Seriously guys, stop this retarded garbage. It's cluttering up the forums. The devs already have plans for jobs, and it's pointless to be making suggestions right now. Just be quiet and wait.

Remember the DAT leaks on the jobs like Arcanist, Fencer, Musketeer, etc?

THOSE ARE THE JOBS. DEAL WITH IT.

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You're wrong. What was listed in the dats are "classes." If you read the letter, they are bringing back the TRADEMARK job system. This means Black Mage, Red Mage, White Mage, etc etc etc.

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Originally Posted by SilvertearRen

*quietly stares in annoyance*

Seriously? Mystic = Summoner. Arcanist = Bard. This is just one big troll clusterf*ck. Cut it out, guys.

You guys are not game developers. And your suggestions are patently absurd at this point in time. They didn't ask for job suggestions, so don't pile it on. All you're doing is creating annoyances.

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You don't even know that...

To those that didn't read through the entire *thread*, the argument over job/class distinctions is done and over with. I GET IT NOW. OK?

I have a few I'd like to suggest as well as general ideas to go with them:

I would really love to see Dancer come back, and I even have a suggestion that it could branch off Pugilist. It's a little bit of a logic leap, but I think Pugilist is the closest base we have to make a Dancer connection. It could be their support role. Or prehaps Gladiator's support role since they have daggers already.

I would also like to see Dragoon return, but chances are very high that this is already one of the jobs they have in mind given the limited options for Lancer.

I would also like to see Dark Knight, however I'd rather they come in as a class instead of a job because a Dark Knight without a Scythe is a sad Dark Knight. :(

Thief
Beastmaster

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Originally Posted by Rjain

So did Time Mage, Green Mage, Blue Mage, and a dozen other magic and non-magic classes throughout the FF series. Time-alternating spells are not uncommon.

White Mage also does more than just heal stuff. They use holy magic. Mystic's spells are aligned to astral elements.

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A green mage would be super cool actually. It would be some uniqueness to FFXIV; something different from XI. Perhaps we should be looking to FFTA for more job ideas...

http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__...2_Job_List.png

Some ideas. :)

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Originally Posted by WinnipegJet

A green mage would be super cool actually. It would be some uniqueness to FFXIV; something different from XI. Perhaps we should be looking to FFTA for more job ideas...

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I agree on drawing on more FF titles for ideas for jobs, but the implementation of the classic jobs is also important.

Question to everyone here: how do you think the quests for these jobs pan out? I personally want something a little more involved with the actual job itself rather than a tale about some guy or girl who happens to be of that job. or maybe a happy medium where some of the job quests involve one, while other jobs involve alternative story styles.

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Originally Posted by WinnipegJet

http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__...2_Job_List.png

Some ideas. :)

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haha nice image!

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Originally Posted by Nikita

No offense, but the only annoyance here is you. People would really like to see these jobs added and we have no guarantee that they will add them all, so people are merely suggesting the ones they would like to see.

Chill out.

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agreed if you dont like it dont post build a bridge and get over it...
For me its SAMURAI all the way give me bushido or give me death! ><;

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Originally Posted by Shikyo

agreed if you dont like it dont post build a bridge and get over it...

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or a fence..

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Originally Posted by WinnipegJet

http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__...2_Job_List.png

Some ideas. :)

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I like the concept, just add DARK KNIGHT and SAMURAI to it and it's all good with me. Gimmie a Scythe and Great Katana to beat mobs with :D

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Originally Posted by SilvertearRen

All those platforms are good. Except Silverlight. Who uses that? Seriously. :P

Back on OT.

I'm just gonna wait and see how the job system works.

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I rock silverlight and it's an excellent platform, have developed several applications on that platform and will continue to do so :)

Also, I vote for necromancer.

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Originally Posted by Duelle

Question to everyone here: how do you think the quests for these jobs pan out? I personally want something a little more involved with the actual job itself rather than a tale about some guy or girl who happens to be of that job. or maybe a happy medium where some of the job quests involve one, while other jobs involve alternative story styles.

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Not sure, but I would love for them to be involved! Fights, or some kinda puzzle... I just don't want them to be:

Go run to person 'A' in Ul'dah
Ok go run to person 'B' in Grid
Ok go back to Ul'dah and person 'A'
Congrats you've open up job: Time Waster!

XD


Anyway I remember in 11 some were fun to open, some took a lot of time (what was it Paladin that had like 3 different mission that you had to do) but were fun, and some were so easy.... (Ranger where you just had to go watch a tiger die? yeah remember that one??) but I liked how all of them did tie the point of the job into it some how.

I actually enjoyed the stories for opening up jobs in 11 so as long as they take from that and improve it I'll be happy. :)

instead of bumping, I'll post here

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Originally Posted by AquaRyu

Hi everyone!

I would like to have yours thoughs on my will & ideas of a new class, The Painter!
As I have a deep lack of vocabulary, I’ll use Google to translate some skills, so I hope there won’t be too much words wrongly used :p

The Painter

Like the BRD, the DNC or the PUP, the Painter is a disciple of the “Show” :p
So we need a new kind of discipline, the disciples of the art \o/

In his main hand, he would use a painbrush.
On his off hand, a pallet.

For each action he would need:
- Sheets of paper crafted by woodworkers, of course, the paper is not required when he paints on an ally or on an ennemy
- Gouaches (is this english?), they would be synthetised by alchemy. There would be normal gouaches to paint on paper & ennemis, and specials gouaches to paint on allies & weapons.
- Finaly, a lot of actions would use TP and some of theme MP too.

This painter is a melting of the RDM & the BRD,
And he would be played like the DNC.
He is fighting at a long range of battles to support allies, enfeeble the ennemy.
He need to up his DEX to paint faster, and a lot of MND to enhance his painting effects & duration.

Skills list:

Actions :
- Beam pencil : Creates an elemental beam by drawing
- Target of shooting : Enhances allies accuracy by painting a target on the ennemy
- War's painting: Enhance STR & DEX of allies
- Shaman's Marks: Enhance INT and PIE of allies
- Blue sky (I,II,III,IV) : Recovers Allies HP
- Moutains painting (I,II): Enhances allies physical defense
- Ocean's painting (I,II): Enhances allies magical defense
- Stripes : Causes paralyze by painting the ennemy with stripes on a sheet of paper
- Colors seals : Enhances allies resistances against an element
- Copy : Allow to use an ennemy’s skill
- Hypnosis’ spiral : Sleeping the ennemy by painting a spiral

- Portrait : Enhances jobs potency
- Elementals symbols : Adds elementals damages by painting symbols on a weapon
- Gum : Cancels a bonus on an ennemy
- Solvant : Heals status effect of allies
- Chocobos painting : Adds haste to allies
- Rising sun : Gives day effect to party
- Sleeping (?) sun : Gives night effect to party
- Inspiration: Gives TP to the Painter

Support :
- Oil painting : Enhances paintings effetcs
- Multiples layers : Enhances the number of painting effects an ally can cumulate
- Painting steams : Causes a poison effect on the ennemy if he has a painting debuff on him.
- Exposure : The bigger the party is better are the paintings effects
- Private exposure: transforms AoE to single target.

TP :
- Red area : Fire damages and accuracy dowwn for ennemies, attack bonus for allies.
- Blue area : Water damages to ennemies reduces their TP gains, magic attack bonus for allies
- White area:Light damages and evasion down for ennemies, Regen for allies
- Black area : refresh for allies, dark damages & magic defense down for ennemies
- Body Painting : enhances all the painter stats, but gives him poison
- Living painting : Draws beast who go fight against the ennemy
- Rainbow painting : Recovers HP/MP and giving Regen & Refresh
- New page : This allow to start the fight again by healing allies & ennemies.
- Elemental triptych: this allow to toss 3 magics elementals attacks in a same time
- Firmam : A celestial magic attack

The areas skills :
The areas are bigs circles under the ennemies and allies.
Only one area at a time
An area is always AoE
An area isn’t on allies or ennemies but on the ground.
This means that:
- inside an area, ennemis receive malus, and allies bonus.
- outside of the area the bonus and malus wear off.

We also need a new status effect for Thaumatruges:
White distress: this makes a painter unable to paint and to gain TP

I hope this was undertsandable
So, do you like ?!
Have skill to add?!

Have fun \o/

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Geomancer

It has not been done yet and it would work well in this game. Have it play like it did in tactics. What ever land type you are standing on gives you a set of spells to cast. And there could be a quest that would allow you to use a few of the other land type at your whim.

Dancer/Bard

Bring these two back as they are the staple buffers in the FF universe.

Though they have been mentioned:
Paladin
Ninja (but not like in FFXI, instead more like stealth/dmg/support/crowd control? maybe)

Cannoneer (mostly because I want a tech nuking answer to Blm, FFXI Black Mages left a bad taste in my mouth)

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Originally Posted by Amsai

Ninja (but not like in FFXI, instead more like stealth/dmg/support/crowd control? maybe)

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Definitely agree here. Let ninja be ninja for once.

FFXI's ninja was terrible.. Tank? hah. it shoulda been DD on par with thief.

Definitely Far Eastern Warrior class or something that specializes as Samurai.

Clickity this link

Made in March. ^__^ If it turns out anything remotely like that (eventually) then I would be ecstatic.

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Originally Posted by SilvertearRen

Remember the DAT leaks on the jobs like Arcanist, Fencer, Musketeer, etc?

THOSE ARE THE JOBS. DEAL WITH IT.

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Actually those are the classes, what do they specialize into?

Just giving a few suggestion to possible ideas for jobs...

Necromancer
Juggler
Barbarians
Warlock / Warlord
Druid
Sorcerer
Stygian Wizard / Evil Wizard
Pirate
Hunter
Priest
Umbral Knight / Astral Knight
Umbral Wizard / Astral Wizard
Dragon Shaman
Duskblade
Witch Doctor
Assassin
Marksman
Magician

I'm sure there are plenty more, just a few off the top of my head.

Blu mage.

I want to turn into a dodo and put this thread to sleep.