Looks like 2.1 Patch won't happen until Dec.

Go ahead and unsub, I'll be in game and in full AF2 on two classes when you come back.

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Originally Posted by Ryios

Go ahead and unsub, I'll be in game and in full AF2 on two classes when you come back.

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Apparently Mythology tome gear is not AF2. AF2 will come in version 2.2, meaning when Coil goes higher than turn 5, and will be quested probably.

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Originally Posted by SchalaZeal

AF2 will come in version 2.2, meaning when Coil goes higher than turn 5, and will be quested probably.

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Oh I hope its a quest. If its more of the tome trash I think I'll crawl in a hole and cry.

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Originally Posted by LoLo

FFXI is F2P?

Only time the game got new content like new areas, new ways to play, end game addition content is with expansions. Version updates only added new armor and items, bug fixes and changes to the existing game.

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And that restriction was there because of how ps2 technology(and older mmo tech) was, they were not capable of constantly upgrading the game with content with how restrictive the ps2 was with an external hd(also the fact that the game is older than WoW and games before that went with expacs to release all their new content, WoW was one of the first to actually have it in patches). If you've only been playing 11 the last 10 years then you've missed out on a lot of changes that have happened with mmos over the years, things changed drastically when WoW came out and showed newer mmos they had a standard to set when they required a subscription.

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Originally Posted by Pellegri

And that restriction was there because of how ps2 technology(and older mmo tech) was, they were not capable of constantly upgrading the game with content with how restrictive the ps2 was with an external hd(also the fact that the game is older than WoW and games before that went with expacs to release all their new content, WoW was one of the first to actually have it in patches). If you've only been playing 11 the last 10 years then you've missed out on a lot of changes that have happened with mmos over the years, things changed drastically when WoW came out and showed newer mmos they had a standard to set when they required a subscription.

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This isn't WoW's dev team. Did WoW give a content expansion after a month of release? If not, then I'm pretty sure I wouldn't expect FFXIV to throw it out that fast if other MMO's haven't.

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Originally Posted by LoLo

This isn't WoW's dev team. Did WoW give a content expansion after a month of release? If not, then I'm pretty sure I wouldn't expect FFXIV to throw it out that fast if other MMO's haven't.

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No but WoW also had more than a 4 boss raid at the start and it had much more than 2 "endgame" dungeons. Also all the grinding in this is like a flowery meadow compared to how vanilla WoW was. Standards have been set in the last 10 years with mmos that require a subscription, and if those standards are not met then the game fades into the abyss that is f2p. The leveling standard blew away other mmos in this....the first time you leveled, it is not there for multiple classes or endgame compared to many other mmos that have come out in the last few years.

Argue all you want that there is plenty to do at endgame and for every person that says there is there's 3 or more on here that say otherwise, because it's not rushing at this point if someone hits 50, any player that hits 50 today will even see within the first 2 days just how the endgame is and instantly regret they have no more story to go through and nothing but crafting and fates.

yay 2.1! housing, backwards content, and what will be obviously be lagged pvp 3 months after release, please look forward to it. I'm beginning to believe even $9.99 is a rip off.

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Originally Posted by AjoraOak

yay 2.1! housing, backwards content, and what will be obviously be lagged pvp 3 months after release, please look forward to it. I'm beginning to believe even $9.99 is a rip off.

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Welcome to the launch of a new game! These sort of things WILL happen with any new MMO. Backwards content? Not sure what you are trying to convey there.

Like I have told to people that have these thoughts, wait 1-2 ( maybe even 3 patches) then come back. You'll see like how 1.0 did. 1.0 went from crappy to playable and enjoyable.

Give the game a chance to get quality updates.

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Originally Posted by Starlord

Welcome to the launch of a new game! These sort of things WILL happen with any new MMO. Backwards content? Not sure what you are trying to convey there.

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What they mean is content that moves backwards instead of forwards. Crystal Tower does exactly that, they delayed it because they felt it was overtuned and they wanted it to be easier than Coil, 2 months later random pugs are clearing turns in coil. So it's going backwards adding in content that's easier than the current endgame but is not needed in any way shape or form to finish the current content. Don't make the excuse "but it will help more casual people clear coil", because I've seen a lot of those people on the forums complaining they can't df roll their way through the hardest content ingame or that they need an actual competent group to do anything in it(gear won't help them with those problems, if you suck you suck no amount of gear will change that).

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Originally Posted by Pellegri

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While I do understand and agree that at launch, Crystal Tower should have should up first or delay the game so Crystal Tower would be at launch. However, we can't change what happened and most people haven't even got their relics/AF, let alone Coil. When CT drops in 2.1, it will:

1) All people that can't even muscle past Turn 5 of Coil will have Crystal Tower to lean on for gear before doing that final turn
2) New players that are nearing cap ( or even working their way there, like myself), will have this benefit of Crystal Tower before hitting turns 1-5 in Coil)

Again I completely understand and agree that CT should have came at launch. Even still the game NEEDS this content for MOST people in the game. DF is not even the issue, Coil runs can't even beat Turn 5. CT is probably the answers to most people who can't beat Turn 5.

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Originally Posted by Pellegri

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the game is a month and a half old. I'm not sorry that I wasn't like you and expected more content than what was planned. SE said even before the game launched that we would get content updates every 3+ months.

I am happy there are so many who still find enough to do to be happy waiting until december or even longer, I wish I was one of those. Personally I just unsubbed, I had a great time leveling to 50 on SCH and getting my relic. Since then I just haven't had anything to do I find fun. I might come back to 2.1 if it isn't too far off, but I have a feeling the more I wait the less interested I will become so I hope it comes soon.

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Originally Posted by Starlord

most people haven't even got their relics/AF

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What? AF?... You mean the Af+1/AF2 or whatever you would prefer to call it I hope, also, people sell so many titan runs I highly doubt that's true anymore.

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Originally Posted by Starlord

DF is not even the issue, Coil runs can't even beat Turn 5. CT is probably the answers to most people who can't beat Turn 5.

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Yes the people wearing ilvl90 gear can't beat coil cause they need ilvl80 gear. It's definitely not this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHo3AewOwog.

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Originally Posted by Abriael

I'm not exactly sure what you're bummed about.

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The mere thought of having to run AK and WP for another 2 months does that to me...

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Originally Posted by AjoraOak

What? AF?... You mean the Af+1/AF2 or whatever you would prefer to call it I hope, also, people sell so many titan runs I highly doubt that's true anymore.


Yes the people wearing ilvl90 gear can't beat coil cause they need ilvl80 gear. It's definitely not this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHo3AewOwog.

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Hence why I said MOST people, I'm sure not everyone has the time nor patience to get "ilvl90" gear.

PS: I meant AF+1

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Originally Posted by sasakusaku

The mere thought of having to run AK and WP for another 2 months does that to me...

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when new content comes people will rush to the end and complain all they have left to do is one or two things once again.

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Originally Posted by Shiyo

Yeah, I don't see people staying subbed waiting for that long with the current huge lack of content and anything to do, plus the time-gating of gear making anything but your main on a single character not viable at all, and the inability to do all content on a single character with all your jobs due to coil lock out timers.

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...so people unsubscribe and then come back for 2.1? I did that quite a bit with previous MMOs.

I already subed for Six months, I'm not really upset the game is good, and I enjoy it.

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Originally Posted by LoLo

the game is a month and a half old. I'm not sorry that I wasn't like you and expected more content than what was planned. SE said even before the game launched that we would get content updates every 3+ months.

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2 months actually! It came out Aug 16th...hehe it is now October 19th ^^;

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Originally Posted by LoLo

when new content comes people will rush to the end and complain all they have left to do is one or two things once again.

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Ah the good old, over used "you rushed so it's your fault" card. /yawn.

It's not because they launched a game with content missing, oh no! Not at all.

Well, by time 2.1 comes out, most HC guilds and even some casuals will be in near full AF2/Allagans so that 'content' will already be obsolete by the time it sees the light of day....

Good planning!

There's no way I can remain entertained for another 2 months.

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Originally Posted by Babydoll

2 months actually! It came out Aug 16th...hehe it is now October 19th ^^;

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and your point is? its still early to be expected a full content when the dev said 3+ months.

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Originally Posted by sasakusaku

Ah the good old, over used "you rushed so it's your fault" card. /yawn.

It's not because they launched a game with content missing, oh no! Not at all.

Well, by time 2.1 comes out, most HC guilds and even some casuals will be in near full AF2/Allagans so that 'content' will already be obsolete by the time it sees the light of day....

Good planning!

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casuals being in near full AF2/Allagan? There is no way you could be exaggerating, could there?

There isn't even AF2 in the game, only AF +1

All I hear in this thread is "wah wah wah"... (I guess Im not really surprised on these forums)

If you dont like the game dont post in its forums and stop playing it, simple

I for one am happily addicted and enjoying the game very much

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Originally Posted by LoLo

There isn't even AF2 in the game, only AF +1

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*squirt bottle*

No! Bad!

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Originally Posted by LoLo

casuals being in near full AF2/Allagan? There is no way you could be exaggerating, could there?

There isn't even AF2 in the game, only AF +1

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It's not even AF+1 its (Relic). I think for some people who didn't play FFXI they should go wiki it and look at some things. And if you did play FFXI and you are still calling relic gear AF+1 then you are a noob. A lot of FFXIV is coming from FFXI, FFXIV is almost a FFXI-2.

On another note we have 6-10 weeks until 2.1 that's late Nov to late Dec, So 1800-3000 myth tomes for people to get by the time 2.1 comes around. Depending on how long you have been running AK for myth tomes that's at least a Relic+1 weapon and a piece of gear almost two, If 21 is end of Nov. Oh and that's not counting what drops you can get from CoB.

People aren't getting the bigger picture, that by the time 2.1 comes out anyone could have quite a few pieces of Relic gear. If you can't do AK because of the "Difficulty" then you can run WP its super easy. So people are getting upset that Crystal Tower is going to be a step back and just be a filler for a few pieces, A way to bridge the gap for new jobs you level. No matter what and how you look at it you can only have one main job until you either max out Relic or get allagan then you can gear for a 2nd job.

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Originally Posted by FutureBeard

All I hear in this thread is "wah wah wah"... (I guess Im not really surprised on these forums)

If you dont like the game dont post in its forums and stop playing it, simple

I for one am happily addicted and enjoying the game very much

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Well I for one have burnt myself out on this game, Today was the 1st time I logged in since Tuesday and that was to get my Pumpkin heads. I'll just log in on Mon/Tues and Cap myth and keep playing other games. But to totally unsub and not keep up with your weekly myth tomes and come back when 2.1 comes out you will fall behind.

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Originally Posted by LoLo

and your point is? its still early to be expected a full content when the dev said 3+ months.

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I wish I could white knight as well as you can, but I actually care about the future of the game, same as others. You do not seem to understand that when this game launched they automatically negated half of said content when they took out CT because they felt they needed a stepping stone between DL and Coil. How many people do you think actually enjoy leveling every class to max between content patches? because that's what you're telling people to do if their 40mins runs through coil a week and 4-5 other dungeons aren't cutting it for them.

Why level most of these professions? oh for housing that the vast majority of players won't even get to take part in for 6 months after 2.1? This is not personal housing, this is fc housing where if you're in a remotely active guild you'll be lucky to see anyone past officers messing around with anything housing related. Oh but you can make gil having crafting/gathering profs.....for what? Outside of furniture and the officers club house there's been nothing announced that you can even spend that gil on. With how the tome cap is in place you can't even work on multiple classes at once at endgame, unless you mean to say everyone should be running 500 more wps/aks beyond the 50 they did for their base class.

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Originally Posted by Pellegri

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They took CT out because they needed to balance it. So you wanted them to keep it in when it still needs work?

you are assuming and guessing what the future of the game will be and how 2.1 content will be received. I'm not white knighting because I don't want to jump to conclusions on things that haven't been released yet.

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Originally Posted by LoLo

They took CT out because they needed to balance it. So you wanted them to keep it in when it still needs work?

you are assuming and guessing what the future of the game will be and how 2.1 content will be received. I'm not white knighting because I don't want to jump to conclusions on things that haven't been released yet.

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Think it's pretty safe to assume if 2.1 isn't the future of the game people are looking forward to then they may as well abandon ship now. If it's not well received then do you honestly think people will hold on till 2.2+ just to see if it's received any better? This first patch is the make or break for them and if players find it bad you really think they'd give anything past it a chance? And no CT was taken out because it was more difficult than coil when the game was still in beta, they did not want something harder than coil even though you can clear 1-4 in coil in nothing more than dl bypassing the entirety of CT.

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Originally Posted by LoLo

and your point is? its still early to be expected a full content when the dev said 3+ months.

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My point is you said the game is a month and a half old. It is 2 months old, not one and a half. Thought it was obvious the point of my post. GET THE POINT? :D

Yoshida said "Roughly every 2 months" and also that since the team no longer has to work on 1.0 AND 2.0..he said stuff would come out even faster. But hey...I'm not complaining..I have been playing SE's games my whole life. After playing FFXI I know how SE is so I am not holding my breath. If people unsub because they get bored so be it. It is SE losing the money not me, why would I care lol.

In the end, we have no choice it will come out when it comes out. =P

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Originally Posted by Pellegri

Think it's pretty safe to assume if 2.1 isn't the future of the game people are looking forward to then they may as well abandon ship now. If it's not well received then do you honestly think people will hold on till 2.2+ just to see if it's received any better? This first patch is the make or break for them and if players find it bad you really think they'd give anything past it a chance? And no CT was taken out because it was more difficult than coil when the game was still in beta, they did not want something harder than coil even though you can clear 1-4 in coil in nothing more than dl bypassing the entirety of CT.

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Haha... Oh Wow...

Yoshi said it himself that they took out CT because it was bugged and wasnt ready for launch.

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Originally Posted by Babydoll

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got a source for where he said 2 months? Adding two extra weeks to 1.5 months isn't really that big of a jump so I saw what you said as pointless to me is all.

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Originally Posted by Babydoll

In the end, we have no choice it will come out when it comes out. =P

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yep

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Originally Posted by Pellegri

Think it's pretty safe to assume if 2.1 isn't the future of the game people are looking forward to then they may as well abandon ship now. If it's not well received then do you honestly think people will hold on till 2.2+ just to see if it's received any better? This first patch is the make or break for them and if players find it bad you really think they'd give anything past it a chance?

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I agree, they shouldn't stay if they are not having fun.

Ehh... 3+ months is a long time to wait for content updates, imo. I was really looking forward to seeing individual player housing for 2.1, but I was quite upset when they said it'd be 6 months AFTER 2.1 - that's half a year and another $60+ out of my pocket, more if it ends up getting delayed.

Once I get my last two classes to 50, there won't be much left for me to do except get my time-gated 300 Mythology/Coil run every week (or one day of grinding followed by 6 days of herp-derp) and slooooowly get my Valor and/or Allagan PLD gear, and work on relic weapons and darklight gear for jobs I don't really play that much. There's just too much focus on repetitive dungeon-spamming in the game right now. Oh, and don't even mention the Halloween event, as that only took less than an hour to do just to get two more items that won't go in the Armoire - rather disappointing. Maybe the Lightning FATE's will be interesting, but if they end up like how Odin and Behemoth have been going, I can't really "please look forward to it."

Guild Wars 2, a game that doesn't have a subscription fee, has gotten to where it churns out updates every 2 weeks... granted, a lot of them are hastily done and don't have much permanence to them, almost like this game's seasonal events. If I'm going to have to shell out $10 a month on ARR, then I'd like to see a good content update every month, maybe month and a half if it's a large update. Three months for every update just seems way too slow, and sets people up for boredom. :(

It's sad.

I feel :
- Housing is taking too much resources from SE.
- FC Housing is less interesting than Personal Housing
- No content for players who have reached turn 5 (new content has all been confirmed as below Bahamut)

First, they said 2.1 would come earlier than scheduled (so before November) and now it is more December.
That means for players like myself who are in turn 5, we must wait till February-March before we get any content.
Waiting for content is not the real problem but in the current state All 4 turn are cleared in just 1 hour (maybe 2 at max). What are we supposed to do the rest of the week for 5 month ?
There is no way I keep my sub to play just 2 hours of raid every week.

>SE release a house special live letter.
>Live letter has tons of housing related questions.
>People lose their minds.

Wadafak.

EDIT: Also, not to downplay the importance of the 2.1 patch, but this game for just being released has much more content than most, if not all, MMOs that have been released during the first months. People take that for granted. And before you say it, no, the fact that this game is "technically 3 years old" doesn't downplay the virtue of this, since a lot of people are experiencing this content for the first time. And that's not even going into the fact that the actual quality of said content is superb.

This is what will happen 2.1 will come out people will enjoy the new features and people will do Crystal Tower to fill in pieces they are missing and then use CT to gear other jobs, Then more people will speed through CoB and have nothing to do...... Until 2.2 that's when the game is going to really pick up, when CoB turn6-10 are added.

The gap between 2.1 and 2.2 is going to be exactly where we are today.

But I'm curious will people still be telling other that they shouldn't have rushed to End Game? Will they still be telling other there is plenty of stuff to do?

Oh I wonder what patch we will be on in 6 months 2.3?

I have all jobs to level 50 - I haven't gotten all the darklight pieces for all the jobs, Full Summoner/Black Mage. Almost Full Paladin/Warrior..... Then I will be working on WHM/SCH and then PGL/DRG for their darklight and obtaining their relics. have 3 relics already (BLM +1, SMN, PLD). Warrior will be my 4th.

All this did, was buy me more time, so I can only concentrate on new stuff! i am actually happy.

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Originally Posted by KelenaeV

Haha... Oh Wow...

Yoshi said it himself that they took out CT because it was bugged and wasnt ready for launch.

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He stated it needed to be rebalanced so it can be done via duty finder.

Correct me if I'm wrong - but who is to say that any of the 4 extreme mode primal fights, the new dungeon besides CT and the hard version of the old dungeons aren't just as hard or maybe even slightly harder than turn 4 (to allow you to earn gear to better your chances to take down turn 5). I mean CT, 5 new primal battles (4 extreme and one hard moogle), hard mode dungeons and a new dungeon could very well contain a plethora of challenging content. Extreme Titan will likely be an insane challenge alone. Give it time.

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Originally Posted by Starlord

Fixed that for ya. ( not everyone is at level 50) in fact only roughly 20% (or less) of the population are level 50.

I don't have a level 50 yet ( I play all the classes and I don't mindlessly run FATEs all day long).

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I have a 50, it doesn't mean I mindlessly grinded FATEs. In fact, the only FATEs I have ever done are those I happened across while questing. I leveled mostly off dungeons, and even then, I stopped leveling my combat class (Scholar) for a solid two weeks to focus on crafting. In that time I got Goldsmith and Alchemist to 50, Miner to 50, and I got my Luminary Pick. After all that was done, THEN I focused on getting a 50, and even then it was mostly so that I could get higher level materials for crafting.

But the thought of grinding nothing but AK and WP every day for weeks on end to gear myself out has me not even playing my 50 at the moment, and I actually was able to stand grinding dungeons to level. 19125 tomes is what it takes to get a full set of 2 star crafted gear. 200 runs of AK or WP. That is NOT FUN. Yea, those dungeons are pretty awesome, and I enjoyed every run I've done. But come my 50th run, it will stop being fun and more like a job. So I'm either stuck leveling another job on the dungeons I already did about 20 times each on my 50, or grind FATEs, because there certainly aren't enough quests to level off. Its either that, or stop playing the game until they add more 50 dungeons, and hard modes of older dungeons, all of which will hopefully drop tomes so I don't have to do two freaking dungeons forever.

This mindless FATE grind everyone keeps talking about is the plague to them. Why does nobody talk about the mindless tome grind? People speed farming dungeons with as little effort as possible, not bothering to enjoy the dungeons? Its because THIS, we are forced to do, if we want to do 50 content. Because there isn't any 50 content, other than gearing up.

Oh and I can't forget this, or I'd just be giving people ammunition - I didn't level my crafts or miner with Levequests either - I DID NOT RUSH. I crafted manually to get there. I had 1000s of Mythril Ore and Electrum Ore in my Retainer, made hundreds and hundreds of ingots, and this was after making everything else for the first time exp bonus.