15 Minute Duty Finder Penalty NOT LONG ENOUGH

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by KisaiTenshi

Not when people are abandoning Hard Primals for the reason this thread exists. If you're a DPS you are perpetually screwed when it comes to getting rare gear because you already had to wait 30-90 minutes to DF, or all the elitist snobs on your server are going "LF (primal) Hard, SR, iLVL70, Must be experienced"

And on Excalibur nobody can afford the crafted item twice. As you've already read "oh noe, grey gear, must be noobkickem"

---

Just use the DF to get experience at primals ( obviously you would have you iLVL70 gear from farming CM ) and once experienced , join the elitist snobs groups .

No, what they need is vote to kick, so you can kick the problem, which is coming in 2.1/2.2

Maybe the OP should "STOP RUNNIN THE PUG" if she has a problem with people leaving because they don't want to play with her. Everybody in queue isn't your personal servant to endure your BS and be held hostage.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by tyrianna324

You should read what i typed lol STOP RUNNING PUG IF YOU WANT A GOOD GROUP lol its that simple you elitist jumping in running a bout of pug out of boredom only to leave two seconds later is ridiculous if you want a good group STOP RUNNING PUG!!

---

and then the next day TS meet 2 tank afk in CM.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by tyrianna324

Anger he smiles tow'ring shiny metallic purple armour.
Queen jealousy, envy waits behind him.

---

Thanks for this post OP. Now I don't need to waste 10 minutes trying if we're ever queued up together. I'll just leave upon seeing your name.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by KisaiTenshi

Yet you can't get a weapon better than a level 44 weapon without running AK to get one, see the problem? They (SE) would not have made the dungeon the way it is if it was unfinishable with gear you should have at that point. You have to run AK once or twice to complete the Relic weapon and the GC quest, so the dungeon is obviously completeable without a full party of relic weapon wielders.

The Hard Mode Primals on the other hand, you probably should have every possible gear by that point.

---

I'll let you in a secret few people seem to know: There's a level 50 dungeon that doesn't even require storyline completion, and it drops better gear than AF / ilv55 weapon. Oh, did I mention you can beat it in a full white gear party, as it's obviously intended to be the entry lv 50 dungeon?

But please don't tell anyone about this. It's a secret.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by AdvancedWind

I'll let you in a secret few people seem to know: There's a level 50 dungeon that doesn't even require storyline completion, and it drops better gear than AF / ilv55 weapon. Oh, did I mention you can beat it in a full white gear party, as it's obviously intended to be the entry lv 50 dungeon?

But please don't tell anyone about this. It's a secret.

---

I don't know what you're talking about, it's a known fact that you need at least one relic DPS or you'll never be able to beat Demon Wall.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Bahram

I don't know what you're talking about, it's a known fact that you need at least one relic DPS or you'll never be able to beat Demon Wall.

---

I hope that is sarcasm because otherwise it is a flat out lie. Lol.

Besides, he was talking about WP, not AK.

Yeah, definitely don't need relic weapons for the demon wall. Relic weapons help kill it before the bees come out though.

As for running stuff for weapons... Drop 10k on the market and get the pre relic 55 weapon. Not sure why people subject themselves to many primal fights for a weapon unless they have no intention of getting a relic ever.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Arriverderci

24 hours is way too draconian and you know it.
30 mins max.

---

Agreed..

I would do 30 standing on my head, if I didn't have to deal with drama. Actually, it's been 4 days, sometimes I feel the effort is not worth the bother to advance.
That is the real issue. I gave up on playing whm because of drama, and am actually on vacation with pld for the same reason. If we can't agree to work toward the goal without being sniveling gits then we need to try another pastime.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Darkstride

I hope that is sarcasm because otherwise it is a flat out lie. Lol.

Besides, he was talking about WP, not AK.

---

It was absolutely sarcasm, and you're right I missed that.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by SDUGotenEU

You have three options.

1. Buy a lv 55 weapon for less than 10000 gil and it's already High quality. Dirt cheap
2. Fight Ifrit to get your weapon.
3. Gear yourself in WP.

You are REQUIRED to get a lv 50+ weapon and at least 3 lv 50+ armor before getting into AK. I don't know how many times I have to say, Run CM or WP until you have at least 3 pieces of lv 50+ armor and a lv 50+ weapon before getting into AK. AK drop lv 60 armor so you are REQURED to gear yourself to lv 50+.

---

Not disagreeing with anything you've said here. I was amused last night in WP when a full Darlkight geared tank told me I was undergeared for the dungeon wearing a mix of AF and Darklight myself (my jewelery could use upgraded, but I'm not in a hurry to get to primals or AK). Heck, he didn't heckle the bard that didn't have AF gear and item level 20 rings/bracelet.

We breezed through the zone untl Tonberry King. Tank assigned the bard add duty then rage quit after a single wipe. Thankfully we got a new tank and completed the zone after second attempt. Original tank was an elitiest d-bag.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Incredible

Yeah, definitely don't need relic weapons for the demon wall. Relic weapons help kill it before the bees come out though.

---

Unless I've read the relic reborn quest information wrong, players need to go through AK as part of the Relic series. I understand people want others to have the Relic weapon for speed runs, though. On Cactuar, it seems people believe the Relic is a must anymore.

Why not make it incremental... 15 mins the first time you leave first, 20 the second time, keep adding 5 mins.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by tyrianna324

WEll we need a better Penalty this 15 minutes isnt long enough for my taste they need to do something to deter the mass elitist idiots and wimps from even joining pug let alone leaving mid battle

---

15 mins is more then enough

why should i get punished any longer because you suck at this game or at your class

lol

What about people who threaten to go AFK and not come back? I've had that happen a few times. They get mad and know if they leave we'll just requeue right away and problem solved. I had a lancer in my PUG recently that was an awful person in general which caused the healer to leave, then the dps, and then myself. He threatened to go AFK and not come back.. Should the three of us be punished with this lock out for 15 mins to 24 hours just because of that guy?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Rikudou-Sennin

What about people who threaten to go AFK and not come back? I've had that happen a few times. They get mad and know if they leave we'll just requeue right away and problem solved. I had a lancer in my PUG recently that was an awful person in general which caused the healer to leave, then the dps, and then myself. He threatened to go AFK and not come back.. Should the three of us be punished with this lock out for 15 mins to 24 hours just because of that guy?

---

This is exactly what will happen way more often if the lockout is longer than the dungeon timer. Wait 90 minutes to fail the dungeon (or until the other's leave), or be unable to do dungeons for 24 hours? That is not a hard choice.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Zikh

Let me guess... you joined Titan HM in your af gear? The fight can't finish if you're there.

---

Yeas it can, My FC has completed Titan with one man down almost the entire fight. Yes, through heart phase and all of phase 5. If everyone has AF, and no relic, then yeah, it's impossible. You do need at least a few people with relics, preferably +1s, and darklight to win.

I like 15 mins or less penalties, with better replacement filling ability. Because I know when I join a wanderer's palace and the tank has less than 4.5k HP, I LEAVE, no exceptions.

When I'm in a terrible party, I am THRILLED when someone else leaves.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by KisaiTenshi

Yet you can't get a weapon better than a level 44 weapon without running AK to get one, see the problem? They (SE) would not have made the dungeon the way it is if it was unfinishable with gear you should have at that point.

---

Lol

Run Wanderer's Palace get a level i55 weapon? You know.. the same one you need for your relic? Just get a second weapon (preferably HQ cause its so cheapfrom the market) and there you have it. You can even put whatever materia you want in it ;)