Trading damaged items.

As OP and most people have said, there shouldn't be any reason you cannot trade a damaged item to another player. Selling, I can agree with, but when I am playing with friends, I would like to be able to share some of my things, especially if I don't need them anymore. If it's that much of a problem just give a little notification to the player receiving the damaged item if they really want it or not.

"The [item] is damaged.
It's condition is 67%.
Would you still like to accept?"

Something along those lines.

another Warriors vs Crafters thread?

I'll alway with warriors side

SE, please stop trying to make crafting too much important

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Originally Posted by TheVedis

SOlution: Get it repaired

its not hard

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Wow.............

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Originally Posted by TheVedis

SOlution: Get it repaired

its not hard

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Not everybody has r50 craft classes like you >.>

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Originally Posted by Maxi_Irving

As OP and most people have said, there shouldn't be any reason you cannot trade a damaged item to another player. Selling, I can agree with, but when I am playing with friends, I would like to be able to share some of my things, especially if I don't need them anymore. If it's that much of a problem just give a little notification to the player receiving the damaged item if they really want it or not.

"The [item] is damaged.
It's condition is 67%.
Would you still like to accept?"

Something along those lines.

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This. Exactly.
The reason for the limitation is obviously to avoid having players accidentally buy damaged gear. Unfortunately, this also prevents players from knowingly buying damaged gear. Another case of mechanisms to prevent abuse getting in the way of legitimate play. This confirmation should also be extended to bazaar items... if, as a crafter, I want to go around collecting damaged gear and try to resell it in repaired condition, why shouldn't I be able to?

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Originally Posted by TheVedis

SOlution: Get it repaired

its not hard

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There's no need to be aggressive and pick a fight. The fact was that he tried and wasn't able to at the time. It happens. Things don't always work out as you'd like them to.

Person 1: I went to the market to buy some oranges but I couldn't find any.
Person 2: Find some oranges! It's not hard.

._. Is it really necessary to act like that? I don't see why you would do that other than to antagonize someone.

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Originally Posted by Akira_Tenshi

I don't see why we shouldn't be able to put damaged items in bazzar either as long as players can clearly see the condition of the item. It is their choice to make if they want to buy it in that condition. It is a real pain having to pay to repair things just to then sell them.

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Back on topic..
I would personally prefer to see only 100% items in market wards, but for bazaars and trading I think it would be great if you could give away/sell items less than 100% if they were marked as damaged.

I once had an issue where I was remaking a character and was going to trade some items to someone to help transfer over, but they were all damaged. I didn't have the time to search for repairs and some of the materials would have been a bit costly. (I was already wasting 2 hours of my friend's time, and really didn't want to make that 3 or 4 hours.) I ended up just selling most of them to an NPC and starting over. They weren't super high level things, but it would have been nice to just be able to trade them.

I'd really like to get this idea passed on to developers, so keep showing your support if you agree.

It may be a small change but i think that is all this game needs, lots of small changes. It's all these minor annoyances adding together that make the game feel bad sometimes.

...um yeah it CAN BE lol... Fixing this game and keeping it alive for those of us sticking around means we need to be sensitive to a broader ranger then our own ideals. For new players or even people with little time this is a killer. Especially on the lower pop servers. Even I find myself wasting far to much time just to do so. Id take the old degrade scale over being able to trade dmg gear. When it comes down to it; its stupid annoying and just one of many things SE needs to get rid of to keep new players they get. (Its a turn off) I think maybe something to do with RMT? Another thing that needs another major relook...I mean limiting our mining for example...well a Goldseller will simply have more then one miner;; therefore punishing players... (get rid of the surplus system) *slaps self in face; sry off topic rant...

Whether or not repairs are easy or hard to get isn't the issue. We should be able to at least trade damaged items. Selling in the bazaar, on retainer or to NPC I can understand 100% durability.

As others have said putting in a small prompt to ask if it's okay to trade for a damaged item would keep people from getting tricked and all the mess that comes with that.

Lots of good points being brought up here, everyone. I've compiled your comments and sent them off to the dev. team!

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Originally Posted by Bayohne

Lots of going points being brought up here, everyone. I've compiled your comments and sent them off to the dev. team!

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You guys are so proactive this week!! loving it

You should be able to trade damaged items and just like the icons next to item for repairs and what not they should have a damaged icon so you can visually see the item is damaged without having to look at durability. Use the same icon they have not for damaged items, yellow or red shield.

Honestly majority of the time I just vendor the items because I am too lazy to look for someone to repair them to have them sit in my bazaar for awhile to sell or on retainer. I have so many items and so little bazaar slots that I just got to make a decision, keep it or scrap it.

If there is a good system to let players know they are trading/buying a damaged item then I think it would be a great improvement. I have this same problem with a lot of items in my inventory that I will not use again, but would rather not waste the time or gil to repair the items myself. Instead I have just been vendoring the items out instead of trying to trade it into the economy.

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Originally Posted by Bayohne

Lots of good points being brought up here, everyone. I've compiled your comments and sent them off to the dev. team!

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Thank you very much.

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Originally Posted by Bayohne

Lots of good points being brought up here, everyone. I've compiled your comments and sent them off to the dev. team!

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Nice!

Quick question - do you have to do all the work of translating the player comments as well?

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Originally Posted by Dargoth_Draconia

Honestly majority of the time I just vendor the items because I am too lazy to look for someone to repair them to have them sit in my bazaar for awhile to sell or on retainer. I have so many items and so little bazaar slots that I just got to make a decision, keep it or scrap it.

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Actually, NPC'ing items creates more opportunities for the crafters. Right now, hundreds (thousands?) of items are being recycled. You rank up, repair the item, and try to sell it in your bazaar. Someone buys it and repeats the process. The result? An eventual oversaturation of the item. Can you imagine how many needles would be on the market if some people hadn't switched to the "broken = toss it/buy new one" method of (ahem) repair?

Makes me think that the restrictions on trading were part of Square's plan to keep crafters busy. Currently, you need crafters to either recycle the item (repair to 100%), or to replace the item.

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Originally Posted by Frisque

Actually, NPC'ing items creates more opportunities for the crafters. Right now, hundreds (thousands?) of items are being recycled. You rank up, repair the item, and try to sell it in your bazaar. Someone buys it and repeats the process. The result? An eventual oversaturation of the item. Can you imagine how many needles would be on the market if some people hadn't switched to the "broken = toss it/buy new one" method of (ahem) repair?

Makes me think that the restrictions on trading were part of Square's plan to keep crafters busy. Currently, you need crafters to either recycle the item (repair to 100%), or to replace the item.

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A "bind on equip" system is the most elegant solution to this problem. It puts equipment on the same level as consumables (almost). It might be unrealistic, but...[insert signature here].

EDIT: But now that I think about it, not letting people trade damaged equipment is pretty freaking unrealistic too.

I think the whole repair system is crap and needs to be removed from the game, either that or have NPC's repair to 100%, screw the crafters they only bitch and whine anyway.

I totally support bind on equip also.

Bind on equip is a garbage idea for FFXIV, no offense but some streamline things I do not want to see added to this game and that is one of them.

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Originally Posted by Dargoth_Draconia

Bind on equip is a garbage idea for FFXIV, no offense but some streamline things I do not want to see added to this game and that is one of them.

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Because WoW does it. Don't worry, I know. ;)

Technically when they are more exquisite items you will have the BoE you want as for normal items that would kill some of the Final Fantasy element for me and probably some others. I play WoW as well and love the BoE system in that game but just don't think it is for this game.

BoE system has its benefits and can stimulate an MMO economy to some degree but with the lack of content several ppl have most jobs near 50 and are working on crafting classes and gear is getting made but not selling so well because there is noone who is going to buy it. Until we get an influx of new players BoE type thing wouldn't change anything because you are in the same boat anyways. Whether I can resell a piece of gear or not, both ways its getting vendored. But If I just leveled to 30 and want to give my friend or someone else my gear for free I can just pass it on. I like the ability to do that better for this type of game since they try to make it so community heavy.

I can not find any benefit to the repair system. The repair rewards are usually very small once you add in the cost of the repair material or less then the cost of the repair material. Most linkshells have someone that does repairs and the offer is normally 1g. Crafters are not making any money doing repairs; at least not on my server. I think repairs/damaged gear are not beneficial to the game and I wish they would just scrap the whole thing.

I read quickly through this thread, and there is one point that has not yet been brought up.

In general I agree with requiring 100% to sell item in bazaar, but not required 100% to trade. This has a consequence, that many people aren't aware of. When upgrading an items (e.g. iron pickaxe ~> polished iron pickaxe), the original item does not need to be at 100%. This glitch is only of little consequence now because only items that the crafter has used personally can take advantage of this.

It may be a small thing, but if trading items with durability less then 100% is added (which I support), then the synthesis recipes should be changed to require components that are at 100% durability.

My 2¢

i always thought having my gear damaged helped keep people from stealing it if i got hacked. but thats just me i guess

Why should an upgrade take 100% quality? I don't get that at all. Usually if you were going to upgrade it you would repair it at the same time.

I just want to say that if I really want a item, I will buy it anyway at 0% so why not sell it domaged and the buyer have the choice of the % of damage

Allowing to trade non-100% gear would definitely make my retainer cleaning every 4 weeks more interesting. I usually end up throwing like 200-300k in gear away because i don't want to repair it to sell it or give it away.

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Originally Posted by Gracious

I can not find any benefit to the repair system. The repair rewards are usually very small once you add in the cost of the repair material or less then the cost of the repair material. Most linkshells have someone that does repairs and the offer is normally 1g. Crafters are not making any money doing repairs; at least not on my server. I think repairs/damaged gear are not beneficial to the game and I wish they would just scrap the whole thing.

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Only 1K gil? Really? On my server it's about 4K. I personally offer 5K. Either way, it covers a crafter's repair materials, plus I get to not worry about repairing that item again for another 2 weeks. It's pretty much a win-win situation from my experience.

not 1kgil, 1gil lol. but that is only for LS repairs. I have still seen repair jobs needing only an iron nugget offering 10k+ gil every now and then

For repairs I normally do something like 100 gil times each rank of the item, so 5k for a rank 50 item.

I still feel that player repairs are worthless and was only added as an afterthought to give crafters something extra to do.

NPC repairs would be the best gil sink in the game if they did it properly, instead money just changes hands.

I support the idea of being able to trade items that are not at 100%. Of course, you should not be able to sell them until they are repaired.

Repairs are worthless Jinko.

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Originally Posted by Sorel

Only 1K gil? Really? On my server it's about 4K. I personally offer 5K. Either way, it covers a crafter's repair materials, plus I get to not worry about repairing that item again for another 2 weeks. It's pretty much a win-win situation from my experience.

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My linkshell mates offer 1gil not 1k gil to repair their items. I am on alot and check bazaar's. On my server the reward is not that great if anything.

i wouldnt bother repairing peoples crap unless they were giving some decent money, lets be honest, the npc charges insane amounts, and repairing costs items, and can fail. If people are repairing for 1k, other than friends, they have no sense. just getting an iron nugget involves time and money.

I think the economy at this point is inaccurate due to everyone being stuck at level 50 for 8 months, the whole thing will be different with more people, many of whom wont have multiple crafts leveled. Exactly how it will be different remains to be seen, but it will be different

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Originally Posted by Gracious

My linkshell mates offer 1gil not 1k gil to repair their items. I am on alot and check bazaar's. On my server the reward is not that great if anything.

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1 gil repairs within LS is acceptable
expecting random people to repair you for 1gil is not

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Originally Posted by TheVedis

1 gil repairs within LS is acceptable
expecting random people to repair you for 1gil is not

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I totally agree. I guess the thing that bothers me the most is this; I feel like the only thing repair does is to offer yet another block in the game. If crafters were limited and the reward of repairing was indeed "rewarding" by way of value then I would support the function. As it stands most players are ranking up crafts and there are many crafters that can repair. So I really looked at the whole repair function. It doesn't really benefit the crafters who spend so much time and gil to rank up the crafts. It doesn't benefit players who this is more of a blocking mechanic then anything to get repaired so they can sell and move on to new gear or grind further. So who does repairing benefit really? From my viewpoint it's really not helping anyone in the game. I don't know maybe you have a better viewpoint you can tell me about but I just don't see the worth of it.

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Originally Posted by Gracious

I totally agree. I guess the thing that bothers me the most is this; I feel like the only thing repair does is to offer yet another block in the game. If crafters were limited and the reward of repairing was indeed "rewarding" by way of value then I would support the function. As it stands most players are ranking up crafts and there are many crafters that can repair. So I really looked at the whole repair function. It doesn't really benefit the crafters who spend so much time and gil to rank up the crafts. It doesn't benefit players who this is more of a blocking mechanic then anything to get repaired so they can sell and move on to new gear or grind further. So who does repairing benefit really? From my viewpoint it's really not helping anyone in the game. I don't know maybe you have a better viewpoint you can tell me about but I just don't see the worth of it.

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there was a time after launch wen repairs was useful since most didnt have the craft levels but now eveyone does and makes the repair for others near useless esp since eveyone leveled there crafts to avoid the huge repair bills...

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I totally agree. I guess the thing that bothers me the most is this; I feel like the only thing repair does is to offer yet another block in the game. If crafters were limited and the reward of repairing was indeed "rewarding" by way of value then I would support the function. As it stands most players are ranking up crafts and there are many crafters that can repair. So I really looked at the whole repair function. It doesn't really benefit the crafters who spend so much time and gil to rank up the crafts. It doesn't benefit players who this is more of a blocking mechanic then anything to get repaired so they can sell and move on to new gear or grind further. So who does repairing benefit really? From my viewpoint it's really not helping anyone in the game. I don't know maybe you have a better viewpoint you can tell me about but I just don't see the worth of it.

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I look at it this way

Repairs are an obstacle, yes
But so is upgrading your gear
So is leveling
So is farming materials
So is taking the time to try and sell stuff you farm

everything is an obstacle in some form or another in these games



also, another huge reason to rank up a craft isnt repairs

its to make your own +3 gear without spending 50mil+ per piece on it

i know ive pretty much made all my gear and im proud of it

and the profit margin on even the cheapest gear is pretty nice right now(30k profit per piece at least, if not 200k+ on some of the harder to make stuff) and if you can make it ALL yourself, every piece, you are gonna make some good cash.

Very True Ved.

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Originally Posted by TheVedis

I look at it this way

Repairs are an obstacle, yes
But so is upgrading your gear
So is leveling
So is farming materials
So is taking the time to try and sell stuff you farm

everything is an obstacle in some form or another in these games



also, another huge reason to rank up a craft isnt repairs

its to make your own +3 gear without spending 50mil+ per piece on it

i know ive pretty much made all my gear and im proud of it

and the profit margin on even the cheapest gear is pretty nice right now(30k profit per piece at least, if not 200k+ on some of the harder to make stuff) and if you can make it ALL yourself, every piece, you are gonna make some good cash.

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thats true but then if eveyone does that the value of making those items well drops majorly

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Originally Posted by sketch

thats true but then if eveyone does that the value of making those items well drops majorly

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but not everyone will be willing
same as not everyone is willing to heal or tank so they wont level those type of jobs