This has to stop.

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Originally Posted by Darklordkjell

Then stop playing. Easy solution.

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ROFL @ this.

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Originally Posted by ValeriaShadowborn

Because making 7 other people stand around for a total of like 20 minutes while you watch cutscenes that you can watch elsewhere is totaly not being a prick either....nope not at all

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Nope, it's not, The sad part if in this horrible display of sarcasm you already admit it. of course only the selfish and impaitent seriously consider someone to be a "prick" just because they actually want to enjoy the story without being told "go watch in your inn cause we already seen them and don't care for what you want, only what WE want instead"

Now who exactly are the pricks here?

I find it funny, of all these people who are saying "Go watch it in the inn" or "You are making 7 other people wait." You know what? Go somewhere else, leave this game, you are part of the toxic community people complain about. If you want to speed run, don't use the duty finder. Set up a group with like minded people who want to speed run through. Use your LS/FC or server community. Can't do that? To bad, deal with it. At least the people who are wanting to see the cut scenes aren't harassing, pressuring, guilting, bulling other people. If you think that, that behaviour is fine. You're a lost cause, or better yet find a different game that suits your needs.

I've done the two end story mission quests countless times, and anytime I see a new person in there I make sure to let them know to enjoy the cut scenes.

While the people on the forums are just a small representation of the population (however larger than any other FFXIV community website), you can see forcing people to skip cut-scenes is not an acceptable behaviour especially for someone going through the first time. Hell just glance at the liked posts in this and many other similar threads.

I watch the cut scenes the first time I get there.
I have only 1 character and I intend to experience the game as it was intended, not skip stuff and wonder "what is happening ?!" only to find out later.
If people can't be arsed to wait, they should make their own "no-cutscene" groups.

Everyone is only a new player once. Let them enjoy it.

I wish they would just make cutscenes unskippable. That'll end all the arguments, and everyone will have to go through it together, new or not.

It was my second time in CM today and I was support tank while my friend was the main tank. The group kept bullying me to hurry up and started picking on me, the next part had me laughing until I cried.
My friend, as awesome as he is, started casually walking while everyone was sprinting, so I started casually walking beside him.
Everyone got reaalllyy far ahead so this was the plan, I go up to them and grab a mob they sneaked around while he grabbed a mob allll the way back where he was and bring it to them.
We did it and a few people died but we survived, we laughed about it and continued as normal.
After that, no one said a word.

I know that SE is thinking of ways to encourage players to use the DF with things like the "MVP Vote" system, so how about this idea:

Grand Company Seal bonuses for repeat dungeon runs if at least 1 party member is a 1st-timer and watched all the cutscenes.

Maybe the speedrunners would be less upset if they got a bonus for being patient and Seals seems a better bonus than EXP (which you don't need at lvl 50) or gil which could be exploited by RMT.

Also to avoid Seal exploitation the bonus would only take effect if 1 PT member is a 1st-timer.

They just need options to a) automatic function to pass all cut scenes b) allow rest of the group to move on and let the people who want to watch CS do that without holding up the group.

Problem solved?

I bet you can 3 man CM, it's so easy it's not even funny.

Average ilvl or not for DF, it's debatable. Parsers or not, it's debatable. This topic, is just stupid.

The story leads a new level 50 to the dungeon finder. The thing lights up and he can click on it. The story didn't tell the newbie to complete quest and go to Mordona and type /shout LFM -7 cutscene CM.

People telling newbies to skip cutscenes are only selfish, and still forgivable. The ones defending these actions here are just plainly, stupid. They can't think even one more step farther from their own position, (due to lack of knowledge or education or whatever) not to expect them to be able to think from a newbie's point of view. Maybe you should just suggest SE to add the "/shout LFM -7 cutscene CM" into the quest description" and let more people laugh at you.

It's making me not look forward to those dungeons, that's for sure. If I must use DF, due to LS/FC members not being far along enough or because everyone advertising for groups is looking for speedrun groups, then I will. I plan to experience the dungeon as the developers intended, meaning to watch the cutscenes and experience the story within the dungeon (the thing that sets the atmosphere and makes it feel purposeful, along with informing you about it).

If someone takes issue with that, I'll just need on any gear that drops that I can use. Greed on whatever else, no skin off my back if they want to basically let me /follow them through and get free stuff. If they all die because they were short on heals, then that's their problem and hardly my own. I have a hard time seeing the self-centered-ness of wanting to experience content as it was intended, versus forcing others to experience it in a water downed and gimped fashion just because someone thinks their entertainment worth and time is more valuable than my own.

That's just my take on it. If they complain that my watching CS's is gimping their group, then I'll just be dead weight that can roll on loot the whole time if they don't want to wait up. If they want people to experience things as it wasn't initially intended (ie: Speedruns) I'm more than certain there's hundreds of people looking for that on their respective servers. Unless no one wants to play with them because they act like toddlers in a video game.

I would rather watch the cut scenes and miss the boss fights to be honest lol, saves me having to heal idiots that make my life harder..

I've been deselecting English as a language option trying to avoid these douchebags. Started seeing them as early as Stone Vigil. lol. Kind of shooting themselves in the foot though. Want to go fast so bad they'll have to wait longer in the queue for a tank. :p

FF cutscenes are epic. It's what it's all about. I was heart broken that I agreed to skip them with my first CM group, they declared speed run and I felt pressured to going along with it. I watched them in the inn and it's not the same. I finally beat Titan last night so now that's done I'm going to hit up CM with some FC friends and watch them.

Had an awesome group for Prae that was mostly first timers so watched those during the run. ^^

I prefer watching them live during the time when I am supposed to watch them if its my first time seeing it. It brings the storyline into the battle and it is something I look forward to. I will wait for anyone who wants to watch them. It is very unfair to chastise players for using the features of the game as they were intended to be used.

I would say the advantage is on the experienced speed runners to organize their run to avoid random Df encounters if they don't expect people to use the features their first time. Unlike the speedrunners who can anticipate that new players will be watching cutscenes thus prepare for it and avoid it, new players who do not read forums or happen to be unaware of speedruns, will have no idea that they will be grieved into not watching a cutscene that pops up as intended. At the very least its civil to be nice about it instead of berating people for being new.

I really wish they'd add just a tiny "X out of 8 players wish to skip this cutscene" text on the corner during dungeon cutscenes like the first Guild Wars did. If one wants to watch it, -everyone- watches and you won't know who it was who wanted to watch that. Should someone want to start a witch hunt after that, it would just show how petty they are.

And I wholeheartedly agree with OP. I guess the XP gain in XIV ARR is just fast enough that it also brings more of the impatient people to max level who would otherwise grow discouraged/bored, thus leading to situations like these.

totally agree with the OP. I run a lot in DF and I run a lot of CM. Never had issues waiting for cut-sceners. I, myself, did watch cuts during my 1st run and nobody complained about it: after the run I thanked them so much for not complaining. Well, they would still go ahead and start killing mobs without me, but it was not a big issue for me at all actually.

End of the day, I have been always lucky to find nice people in DF, but understand how bad one could feel finding bad players.

No way I'm skipping any cutscenes. If the run is ruined I'll just requeue and continue leveling my miner or goldsmith while I wait.

I just hope 1st timers would not give a crap about peer pressure and just enjoy the game. If it fails or someone rage quits then you'll get another chance.

Don't let anyone ruin the game for you. Its your right to watch and ENJOY those cutscenes.

Please, speed runners, stop queuing up for CM/Prae when you need people.... let them enjoy their long queues and bad story.

It's ironic how I've never seen a thread like this made by someone running the dungeon for the first time.

I'm at the point where i need to do CM for the first time to continue the story, but i just haven't felt like doing it, as i'd like to watch the cutscenes on my first run, but don't wanna get all that verbal abuse, so i just started leveling my miner class instead. Thought about shouting for a CM party that are ok with watching cutscenes, but doubt i'd have any luck with that.

And while we're at it, i know LFG means looking for group, but what does LFM mean? Looking for members?

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Originally Posted by Eidolith

I'm at the point where i need to do CM for the first time to continue the story, but i just haven't felt like doing it, as i'd like to watch the cutscenes on my first run, but don't wanna get all that verbal abuse, so i just started leveling my miner class instead. Thought about shouting for a CM party that are ok with watching cutscenes, but doubt i'd have any luck with that.

And while we're at it, i know LFG means looking for group, but what does LFM mean? Looking for members?

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Hi, just use DF and don't let them spoil your fun, black list them and report them if they are abusive! LFM = looking for more e.g LF1M = looking for one more etc

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Originally Posted by Soulscare

It's ironic how I've never seen a thread like this made by someone running the dungeon for the first time.

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That's because most people that get bullied or victimised become scared to speak back or put up a fight. It also makes them feel like this is the norm and it should be accepted.

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Originally Posted by Soulscare

It's ironic how I've never seen a thread like this made by someone running the dungeon for the first time.

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You know why some kids get bullied constantly? Because they're too scared to retaliate/were taught not to. That doesn't make it any less wrong to bully them.

People only have one first time. To repeatedly and consciously ruin that for people on a daily basis sure is classy.

It's even more hilarious to think these new players are in the wrong, when all they did was exactly what the game told them to do.

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Originally Posted by Hairo

Hi, just use DF and don't let them spoil your fun, black list them and report them if they are abusive! LFM = looking for more e.g LF1M = looking for one more etc

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Yeah guess i should just watch it my first time and ignore the rage, i don't wanna grief players, but i'd just like to experience the game content/story like the developers intended, at least on my first run.

And thanks for explaining LFM :)

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Originally Posted by Eidolith

Yeah guess i should just watch it my first time and ignore the rage, i don't wanna grief players, but i'd just like to experience the game content/story like the developers intended, at least on my first run.

And thanks for explaining LFM :)

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You're not griefing them. They're griefing you.

Don't get bullied, just watch them and ignore the nagging. And report abusive players.
This is what I did on my first Praetorium run (didn't get any complaint during my first CM). People were pissed that I watched all the cs, they kept running forward and I missed some bosses, and they started insulting. Didn't care, I kept watching the cutscenes and enojoying the story as it is thought to be, and reported the bad apples.

For those who think they're being rude to other people who want you to skip the cutscene despite your first time, I just want to point out they're not integral for you to complete the dungeon. If they leave, requeue or wait for the void to fill. If they rage, let them stew. Hell, even if you wanted, you could leave the dungeon and requeue. But don't skip because someone tells you to skip, because don't need them to make the run.

"Then stop playing. Easy solution."




Funny thing is, i am not even doing dungs :)
I'm waiting happily for the asshats to leave. I am sure these donkeys didn't skip their cutscenes if they wanted to watch them as they raced through the content.
You can kiss my small hairy butt if you think i am skipping mine.

That why i rushed lv 50 when there are still so many ppl doing CM, Pre the first time, it is the norm to watch the cut scene

Majority rules. 3 out of the 4 want to skip? Concede and a) leave group, or b) finish run and watch at the INN.

If I'm in a group and everyone is watching, I deal with it and wait for them. If one person is watching and the rest wish to skip forward, it's not rude to ask him/her to view them later, after the run is finished.

If the group(majority) ask you to skip, just do it. Be considerate of the group and stop thinking only of yourself.

Or how about folks grow a pair and tell people to "gfy" when they say to watch the cutscenes in the inn after the run?

If you want to watch the cutscenes, and you let someone else tell you that you can't because they are concerned about the extra 2.5 minutes your cutscenes will cost them, it's your own fault. Even worse that it's an internet group that, at worst, can spam your party chat with their rage/tears at you actually playing the game the way it was intended. If that really bothers you, you can click the tabs below the chat window and hide their tantrum entirely.

The people demanding folks skip cutscenes for their "speed runs" are children, and need to be treated as such. They don't yet understand the concepts of sharing or that the world doesn't revolve around them, and if someone doesn't start teaching them, then it is a guarantee they never will learn. Would you give in to a child's demand for candy if they put their foot down and loudly screamed they want it? No, of course not. So I don't suggested treating these children any differently.

tl;dr- Watch your damn cutscenes.

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Originally Posted by eyloi

Majority rules. 3 out of the 4 want to skip? Concede and a) leave group, or b) finish run and watch at the INN.

If I'm in a group and everyone is watching, I deal with it and wait for them. If one person is watching and the rest wish to skip forward, it's not rude to ask him/her to view them later, after the run is finished.

If the group(majority) ask you to skip, just do it. Be considerate of the group and stop thinking only of yourself.

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Nope.
In DF, even if there's only one person who wants to watch the CSs, it's his right to do so.

100% agree. Majority rule can bend over and stick their head 'where the sun don't shine' if that majority is bullying some newbie into spoiling the storyline for their own selfishness and the gain of a whopping 2.5 minutes of the run (at the longest. Less than 1 total minute for most runs).

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Originally Posted by eyloi

Majority rules. 3 out of the 4 want to skip? Concede and a) leave group, or b) finish run and watch at the INN.

If I'm in a group and everyone is watching, I deal with it and wait for them. If one person is watching and the rest wish to skip forward, it's not rude to ask him/her to view them later, after the run is finished.

If the group(majority) ask you to skip, just do it. Be considerate of the group and stop thinking only of yourself.

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Actually, it is rather rude. First time is always a story experience for a lot of players, and to ask them to skip the cut scene because you or a couple of other people are impatient is rude. To tell them they shouldn't get to enjoy the game how they want because you need it done quick is rude.

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Originally Posted by ArcheustheWise

Or... you can get off your highhorse and let people do as the game intended and stay immersed. This isnt metroidfinal fantasy. Either shout in mor (as the op kindly let you know you could do), or put up with it. Period. The devs wouldn't have made it to where you can watch cutscenes first if they hadn't intended it that way.

Deal with it.

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The way it is now it looks like your the one who has to deal with it eh?

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Originally Posted by Asmodai

The way it is now it looks like your the one who has to deal with it eh?

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Not really. We'll watch cutscenes and, at best, you can rage quit the group with tears in your eyes and spam party chat as you throw a tantrum. You literally have NO other recourse.

So yea, I guess we can deal with watching the cutscenes. Can you? :)

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Originally Posted by Tolmos

Or how about folks grow a pair and tell people to "gfy" when they say to watch the cutscenes in the inn after the run?

If you want to watch the cutscenes, and you let someone else tell you that you can't because they are concerned about the extra 2.5 minutes your cutscenes will cost them, it's your own fault. Even worse that it's an internet group that, at worst, can spam your party chat with their rage/tears at you actually playing the game the way it was intended. If that really bothers you, you can click the tabs below the chat window and hide their tantrum entirely.

The people demanding folks skip cutscenes for their "speed runs" are children, and need to be treated as such. They don't yet understand the concepts of sharing or that the world doesn't revolve around them, and if someone doesn't start teaching them, then it is a guarantee they never will learn. Would you give in to a child's demand for candy if they put their foot down and loudly screamed they want it? No, of course not. So I don't suggested treating these children any differently.

tl;dr- Watch your damn cutscenes.

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I'll just add to this that if anyone gives you too much grief about it, report them for harassment. I can guarantee you, SE's employees will take this sort of toxic behavior as kindly as the rest of us on forums. :)

I'm sorry many of you disagree with me. I understand a lot of you wish to view the cutscenes during your first play-through, and don't care if others in group wish to continue and skip through. It's your right to view them, since you paid the $30, just like everyone else in group.

That being said.. I'd highly suggest finishing the game before the kick feature is added.

I must admit, I cannot get my head around these ...people who expect people to skip cut scenes in duty finder. To reiterate what a lot of people have already said - make your own group, don't expect someone else to have their experienced ruined because you are incapable of making a group from your server.
I guess I must have been lucky when I ran this first, the experienced people, I think there was two or three, were quite happy to let everyone watch the cut scenes.

If someone gets told not to watch CS when using the DF I will tell them to do it. If they feel forced to skip anyway I will make sure to watch every CS myself.