The hard data on STR/VIT for Glad/PALADIN. Where can i find it?

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Originally Posted by ReithDynamis

Dictating that all your points into VIT only produces around 100 hp how do you justify something that negligible? again.....

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Because the points in STR are also incredibly negligible. The only time it's worth it is when you are approaching a new STR tier, which you can make up with materia. It's far easier to just put everything into vit and use materia to reach new tiers, rather than spend 10k seals every time you get a new piece of gear.

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Originally Posted by Escalith

Yes. 10% less chance to take a full hit.

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It's not 10% less chance to take a full hit.

It's 4% or 6% less damage taken on hits you block or parry, respectively.

STR has zero impact on shield/parry rate (that is DEX).

1 vit = 15 HP at level 50 for tanks. For warriors it's 18.

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Originally Posted by ReithDynamis

Dictating that all your points into VIT only produces around 100 hp how do you justify something that negligible? again.....

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Last time I checked 30VIT gave me 450HP...

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Originally Posted by Nehru

Honestly as a long time mmo tank, i'm taking the avoidance stats. Vit is nice, but PLDs are built for single target physical damage bosses. More mitigation means a higher EHP.

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More HP is also higher EHP. The issue at hand is how much do you get from each option, and no one seems to know the answer to that. Some games favor avoidance/mitigation, and some games favor raw HP. Sometimes it's different even in the same game, depending on class and/or boss mechanics. You also have to consider damage intake. If most fights feature steady intake, avoidance is almost always going to be superior. If fights are "bursty" (a lot of WoW fights behaved this way for a long time), then raw EHP (and consequently Vit/Stam/etc.) tend to be the better choice. When you face a legitimate chance of being two-shot, the only solution is to get enough HP to not die. Relying on avoidance in such a situation is a recipe for pure frustration.

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Originally Posted by Amas

It's not 10% less chance to take a full hit.

It's 4% or 6% less damage taken on hits you block or parry, respectively.

STR has zero impact on shield/parry rate (that is DEX).

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I don't think Dex affects shield/parry anymore that was 1.0. I think they may o changed it for ARR. Definately worth checking out.

I prefer a balanced approach of Str/Vit/Mind. I find having a heal to throw around highly valuable and mitigation is always preferable to HP's, up until diminishing returns of course.

Seconding the link that Sephirah put up. It's probably the closest thing you're going to find to hard data and formulae out there at the moment.

There is a huge table out there somewhere, where someone did a lot of math and calculations specifically looking at str/vit. Str affects your damage mitigation which can help you survive longer than vit... but the problem is, unlike vit, str has certain 'tiers' which must be reached to increase your mitigation. Iirc the highest tier for str mitigation is at 404 or 403 strength. So anything past that number doesn't count, and the rest should be plugged into vit.

Someone linked to that data in another thread, regrettably I don't remember it though, maybe someone else could link it here if they know what it is...

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Originally Posted by PessimiStick

More HP is also higher EHP. The issue at hand is how much do you get from each option, and no one seems to know the answer to that. Some games favor avoidance/mitigation, and some games favor raw HP. Sometimes it's different even in the same game, depending on class and/or boss mechanics. You also have to consider damage intake. If most fights feature steady intake, avoidance is almost always going to be superior. If fights are "bursty" (a lot of WoW fights behaved this way for a long time), then raw EHP (and consequently Vit/Stam/etc.) tend to be the better choice. When you face a legitimate chance of being two-shot, the only solution is to get enough HP to not die. Relying on avoidance in such a situation is a recipe for pure frustration.

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Good point, its all going to be situation based it seems. Like you said we really don't know until we start raiding. Being able to swap materia out is going to be a must it seems.

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Originally Posted by Sephirah

The best site I've found for hard data is BLITZBALL. I highly suggest everyone check it out!
B.L.I.T.Z.B.A.L.L.

I found the enmity tables to be very helpful.

According to the Block and Parry tables, I'm not sure STR is that important except for the extra enmity you generate due to hitting harder. It seems that going from <243 STR to 471 will only grant you an extra 6% parry and 4% block. Anyone at end-game can feel free to correct me if I'm wrong if that 6% really is important.

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Nice site... Hope it's accurate