So Devs...Are we going to rule with an iron fist this time around?

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Originally Posted by Wolfie

Yeah, I haven't played more than 1 MMO in my life.

Fyi, bots aren't made using add-on API, they're made as standalone programs that mimic button presses and as packet sniffers, which is what makes them almost impossible to detect as a program, and requires a human eye.

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This, we won't be able to have add on bots.. Even packet sniffers are hard to see to the human eye, as long as the users responding with real time tells then they're usually fine.

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Originally Posted by Elexia

The reason RMT wasn't huge in XIV comparatively was because XIV had a different design to it, now, however, that they're making ARR a 'standard mmo', RMT will be pretty large, much larger than they'll be able to handle.

Botting however, they're allowing Add-ons, so they kind of told b-...end-game shells it's perfectly ok to script bots. Hopefully they'll enforce things more heavily, but as we seen with every MMO...it's inevitable to happen and it always starts with:

"It doesn't give me an advantage on (content), just (content.)"

And snowballs from there.

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Dumbest post I ever read. When FFXI had the whole market taken over by RMT like no other mmo i ever seen, and XI was far from what we call standard now.

I sincerely hate what RMT do to a game.
They ruin the economy and create huge, eliteists, separation gaps.
I hope for iron fist banning.
If you can't play fair..
Don't plat at all..

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Originally Posted by Solace

I sincerely hate what RMT do to a game.
They ruin the economy and create huge, eliteists, separation gaps.
I hope for iron fist banning.
If you can't play fair..
Don't plat at all..

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When people realize the problem is not RMT but the buyers, it's always people sitting there singing F!@# RMT when they are the ones keeping them around cause some of them are the buyers.

i do hope they take more of an active role in banning bots in rmt's, but i really doubt they do. with him allowing add-ons and all it seems to be more of a giving permission to do underhanded things.

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Originally Posted by darkstarpoet1

i do hope they take more of an active role in banning bots in rmt's, but i really doubt they do. with him allowing add-ons and all it seems to be more of a giving permission to do underhanded things.

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Addons are not an evil thing and should not be considered so, look at world of warcraft which I think I can use as an example without pitchforks spearing my rear. You have the basic default ui where your mana bar is in the top left corner and you are tired of dragging your eye there from the middle of your 42" to check it, well lets make an addon to move it, maybe even re-size it slightly larger and while we are at it lets close those gaps between the action bar and make them smaller since we already know what action is on what bar.

You guys are acting like addons are packet bots (nasa) and that dragons aery still exists as it did from 2003 to finally being changed to force pop. Don't confuse a customizable ui with a packet bot.

Ugh @ how many people do not understand the difference between an addon and a bot. It's surprising you people even figured out how to register and post on these forums.

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Originally Posted by Wolfie

Ugh @ how many people do not understand the difference between an addon and a bot. It's surprising you people even figured out how to register and post on these forums.

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I blame people naming their add-ons things like "Heal-bot" for this misunderstanding.

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Originally Posted by Treach

Addons are not an evil thing and should not be considered so, look at world of warcraft which I think I can use as an example without pitchforks spearing my rear. You have the basic default ui where your mana bar is in the top left corner and you are tired of dragging your eye there from the middle of your 42" to check it, well lets make an addon to move it, maybe even re-size it slightly larger and while we are at it lets close those gaps between the action bar and make them smaller since we already know what action is on what bar.

You guys are acting like addons are packet bots (nasa) and that dragons aery still exists as it did from 2003 to finally being changed to force pop. Don't confuse a customizable ui with a packet bot.

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no, i am not pointing and saying all add-ons will be bad. what i am saying though is with the addition of add ons it will become more difficult to determine which actions other players are doing is an add on and which is a 3rd party bot. bots run outside of the game and are really only noticed by other players and reported. if you see someone doing something in game you don't do then you will actually have to consider whether that different action is an add-on causing it or a 3rd party bot.

believe me i do basic programming on the side and it is very difficult to determine if something is sniffing packets and then doing an action or if you are doing it yourself. the only real way se would be able to determine if someone is using a 3rd party bot after the add ons are allowed is to have a program installed on the person's comp and then report to them what you are doing. that would turn into major lawsuits because of invasion of privacy.

i'm not going to club you over the head for bringing up wow. i know most add-ons are great additions. i also know that by allowing them people will press the envelope to see how far they can go with the add-ons though. once people get to the point they stop allowing add-ons to do things they will then continue making the 3rd party programs. by doing this it makes finding those 3rd party programs even more difficult to find and punish because there's already add-ons that do the basics that advanced program does.

edit: i'm not comparing an add on to a bot, but what i am saying is that people will try to push that envelope as far as they can. they will try to blur the lines between the 2 just as much as they can.

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Originally Posted by Wolfie

Ugh @ how many people do not understand the difference between an addon and a bot. It's surprising you people even figured out how to register and post on these forums.

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Hmm... Mad bro?