Patch Dungeons and Gear Farming

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Originally Posted by Shougun

Yes, lol.

That above idea is attempting to be data friendly because they have said they have issues with large amounts of data. (Hence storing an entire dungeon as 1 variable, it's also why they are doing set storage).

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What I find frustrating about this is that Blizzard don't complain about having issues with the amount of data that's being stored despite having a bigger playerbase, allowing players to have more alts and the game itself somewhat necessitating that people have alts. They probably have close to 100x the amount of character data that SE does yet they seem to be managing fine.

In the nicest possible way, as an end-user - I don't care if they have problems with data. That's what I'm paying them a monthly fee for.

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Originally Posted by Ardeth

What I want to know is if the armoire is infinite, then why isn't our dresser? What's different on the technical side between the two? Both are storing gear. I get one interacts with the glamour system, but it always struck me as odd one was infinite and one was finite.

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They're both finite. One is limited by an arbitrary size, the other is limited by the small amount of items that are compatible with it.

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Originally Posted by Ardeth

What I want to know is if the armoire is infinite, then why isn't our dresser? What's different on the technical side between the two? Both are storing gear. I get one interacts with the glamour system, but it always struck me as odd one was infinite and one was finite.

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Armoire has specific items that can be placed in it, so definitely not infinite. Also depending on what you're thinking of when and how much of the data is loaded. For example they've crashed the servers allowing some of those systems being loaded in certain areas. When you login to the game your inventory comes with it, it doesn't load on open of the inventory, when you check your retainer or your glamour log it's loaded when it's needed. You can see what is and isn't active by searching your items and it telling you it's not sure in X part of your storage's (until you open that during the game session).

Also between say armoire and inventory itself is one just says "I got this thing" and inventory says "I have an item that is x type with a b c d e f g y properties, in this specific slot". So one of them is a bit more needy.

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Originally Posted by BigCheez

What I find frustrating about this is that Blizzard don't complain about having issues with the amount of data that's being stored despite having a bigger playerbase, allowing players to have more alts and the game itself somewhat necessitating that people have alts. They probably have close to 100x the amount of character data that SE does yet they seem to be managing fine.

In the nicest possible way, as an end-user - I don't care if they have problems with data. That's what I'm paying them a monthly fee for.

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I think there is also a mix of only a few programmers and specific directive to not play hard and break things lol. Generally I get a very 'conservative / consistent' sense from Yoshi-P which has been great in many ways, but makes new things very tepid / "safely" excluded from the game. Like how our unique content is often an island exclusive to itself that you can ignore, and they are very scared to put weird (especially 'new') things into the core of the game.

So you see our server changes are done very slowly, very cautiously.

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Originally Posted by BigCheez

They should just copy and paste WoW's transmog system. I think people would feel very differently about farming for gear if it was permanently added to their glamour collection without occupying finite storage after they got the drop.

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Transmogs should not have a cost. It is literally advertising the game for the developer. And yet Blizzard milks its player base with ever increasing transmog costs. All in the pursuit of selling tokens.

I know that SE does not sell token in the same way Blizz does, but please don't look to Wow for inspiration. They have become a very underhanded company. I would become very suspicious very quickly if SE followed their lead.

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Originally Posted by BigCheez

What I find frustrating about this is that Blizzard don't complain about having issues with the amount of data that's being stored despite having a bigger playerbase, allowing players to have more alts and the game itself somewhat necessitating that people have alts. They probably have close to 100x the amount of character data that SE does yet they seem to be managing fine.

In the nicest possible way, as an end-user - I don't care if they have problems with data. That's what I'm paying them a monthly fee for.

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Blizzard also sell in game currency for revenue: SE does not. This is killing the game imo. Everything is directed by a gold cost in the game atm. The token must be a high priority whenever they consider any changes in Wow. This is not a direction to take.

Wow also has a much higher subscription cost. The outlay for the game is much higher also.

And as for the higher player base. This is a factor that makes things cheaper. More players doesn't mean higher costs, it means that you can buy in a larger quantity. While at the same time taking ever increasing subscriptions.

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Originally Posted by syldon

Blizzard also sell in game currency for revenue: SE does not. This is killing the game imo. Everything is directed by a gold cost in the game atm. The token must be a high priority whenever they consider any changes in Wow. This is not a direction to take.

Wow also has a much higher subscription cost. The outlay for the game is much higher also.

And as for the higher player base. This is a factor that makes things cheaper. More players doesn't mean higher costs, it means that you can buy in a larger quantity. While at the same time taking ever increasing subscriptions.

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Having played a bit recently I find gold inconsequential for regular play, though I would say the gold / gold token is not an amusing relationship (that I don't really appreciate). When it comes to buying rare items off the market, is where I'd note that (huugggee prices), but like repairing gear, transmog, and interacting with NPCs I never think about gold I just buy stuff.



If we don't like WoW, other MMOs to note, MUCH smaller MMOs than FFXIV, have equally powerful transmog (glamour) systems.

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Originally Posted by syldon

Blizzard also sell in game currency for revenue: SE does not. This is killing the game imo. Everything is directed by a gold cost in the game atm. The token must be a high priority whenever they consider any changes in Wow. This is not a direction to take.

Wow also has a much higher subscription cost. The outlay for the game is much higher also.

And as for the higher player base. This is a factor that makes things cheaper. More players doesn't mean higher costs, it means that you can buy in a larger quantity. While at the same time taking ever increasing subscriptions.

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You know WoW is responsible for the overwhelming majority of the positive changes that were made between 1.0 and ARR, right? It's no secret that WoW and FFXIV have been copying each other's homework for a while now.

This isn't WoW, the MSQ Max Level dungeons are literally that just cute dungeons designed to be a part of the story that give tomes for gear, the ILVL is usually so low that it doesn't really matter so i think that's why they skip it. Now what they should but in every Raid cycle, so 3 per expansion is the Variant/Criterion Dungeons with both giving great (Criterion give Savage Ilvl and Variant something a bit higher than the MSQ dungeon one so maybe Tome ilvl or 5 under.

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Originally Posted by BigCheez

You know WoW is responsible for the overwhelming majority of the positive changes that were made between 1.0 and ARR, right? It's no secret that WoW and FFXIV have been copying each other's homework for a while now.

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Wow has been an awesome game for pushing the boundaries of MMOs over many expansions. Even the current game is decent in content, pretty shallow in complexity, but still decent none the less. That does deflect from the way the game is being manipulated to milk extra cash from its subscribers. Players already paid for a game, all the while they have paid for subscriptions at the same time. Milking the player base is just pure greed and abhorrent. Blizzard have introduced many systems of late that have no other purpose than pursue the sales of tokens. Just be careful what you wish for.

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Originally Posted by syldon

Wow has been an awesome game for pushing the boundaries of MMOs over many expansions. Even the current game is decent in content, pretty shallow in complexity, but still decent none the less. That does deflect from the way the game is being manipulated to milk extra cash from its subscribers. Players already paid for a game, all the while they have paid for subscriptions at the same time. Milking the player base is just pure greed and abhorrent. Blizzard have introduced many systems of late that have no other purpose than pursue the sales of tokens. Just be careful what you wish for.

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I can't really tell if you're being ironic (there's a few satire posters on the forums) but FFXIV cranks this 'milking' to the maximum with churning out cash shop items and prioritizing them for second dye channel implementation (some of these cash shop pieces that were previously undyeable even got both channels with DT) while ignoring many in-game pieces (ARR WHM and BLM artifact sets come to mind).

Though as others have said, other MMOs have done better transmog systems (Wildstar had the same collection system that WoW currently does, except with the added bonus of pieces being dyeable).

More directly related to the topic though, it would be a welcome change to have more than just levelling dungeons drop pieces for your current job you do not currently have. I've ran some dungeons over fifty times and still never got the pieces I've wanted, though I've heard about players running some dungeons when they were current over 700 times in the past.

That would be nice. I've spent Hydaelyn knows how many hours grinding for glamour gear on my old account (region locked, btw). It' would be great to get some tokens that could be spent to get specific gear pieces you wanted after running a number of times.