Don't let dumb job changes ruin the game for you.

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Originally Posted by AvoSturmfaust

Tbh i really dont care much about Job Changes even if everything would be a 1 button job, if the fights are good and difficulity idc about the class, i prefer harder fights then harder classes

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Can't say that I agree with that stance - personally, I'd say fun classes should be a higher priority fights.
If the class you play is engaging, that can carry every fight, even those that may not be entirely to your liking.
The other way around, you end up with an awful experience when you play content where fights have nothing going for them, like current Expert Dungeons.

That being said - why can it not be both? Engaging fights and jobs? It should not need to be an "or", it should be an "and".

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Originally Posted by AvoSturmfaust

Tbh i really dont care much about Job Changes even if everything would be a 1 button job, if the fights are good and difficulity idc about the class, i prefer harder fights then harder classes

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The main issue with making jobs simpler with the current content design in mind is that, if you're not doing current content, you're left with both a boring job and a boring fight. Since the game has a roulette system, a lvl sync system, and an incredibly high ilvl sync system, unless you actively avoid engaging with your dailies, chances are that'll happen a lot.

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Originally Posted by SomeGuy22

The main issue with making jobs simpler with the current content design in mind is that, if you're not doing current content, you're left with both a boring job and a boring fight. Since the game has a roulette system, a lvl sync system, and an incredibly high ilvl sync system, unless you actively avoid engaging with your dailies, chances are that'll happen a lot.

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Exactly. It's hard to not let dumb job changes ruin the game for me when my job is the window I see most of the game through. If the jobs are all totally braindead I'm only having fun the small percentage of the time I'm in a very difficult fight. If the jobs require thought and skill then I'm having fun 100% of the time since no matter what I'm doing I'm still mentally engaged with playing my job correctly.

If you're entertained by pressing movement keys and pressing 1-2-3 in fixed patterns while moving through DDR mechanics, then it's probably gonna be fine if those mechanics are what you like about the game.
If you're not though... good luck with that.

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Originally Posted by Valence

If you're entertained by pressing movement keys and pressing 1-2-3 in fixed patterns while moving through DDR mechanics, then it's probably gonna be fine if those mechanics are what you like about the game.
If you're not though... good luck with that.

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Are you primarily doing the tam-tara deepcroft? Or do you have your rotation automated with third party tools? Because literally no job is 1-2-3 in fixed patterns rofl.

If you're going to criticize the game design, please just be less dishonest. It's not serving your argument at all to tell lies.

Look at elden ring, the combat inputs are literally 3 buttons (light, heavy, dodge) yet the boss fights are extremely engaging and the game is way more successful than any mmo ever will be. People who want job design to be the primary focus of difficulty literally argue for training dummy bosses. The jobs do require thought and skill, they are just tuned at a level where the boss fights can actually be interesting instead of a joke like they had been for the majority of the game's life.

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Originally Posted by AvoSturmfaust

Tbh i really dont care much about Job Changes even if everything would be a 1 button job, if the fights are good and difficulity idc about the class, i prefer harder fights then harder classes

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The game tries to encourage us to replay all levels of content even if you're at the level cap via roulettes, and naturally they can't make every piece of content difficult. Having the option to challenge ourselves with all the different jobs and their quirks was, to me at least, a good way to enjoy repeating content through dailies, weeklies and farming.

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Originally Posted by HikariKurosawa

Look at elden ring, the combat inputs are literally 3 buttons (light, heavy, dodge) yet the boss fights are extremely engaging and the game is way more successful than any mmo ever will be. People who want job design to be the primary focus of difficulty literally argue for training dummy bosses. The jobs do require thought and skill, they are just tuned at a level where the boss fights can actually be interesting instead of a joke like they had been for the majority of the game's life.

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From games' engagement also comes from the amount of customization you can do to change up your experience. It's the layers of complexity working together that makes them as fun as they are. XIV thinks they've got the layers to work together, but they're mostly just sanding it down to just one.

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Originally Posted by Reginald_Cain

Don't let dumb job changes ruin the game for you.

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... because don't worry, they'll ruin the game with or without you! Ha!

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Originally Posted by Azurarok

From games' engagement also comes from the amount of customization you can do to change up your experience. It's the layers of complexity working together that makes them as fun as they are. XIV thinks they've got the layers to work together, but they're mostly just sanding it down to just one.

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Cold take, but this game has way more customization in actual playstyle than from software games with the jobs and healer/tank/dps roles. It's very disingenuous to act like they could ever "sand it down to just one".

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Originally Posted by HikariKurosawa

Cold take, but this game has way more customization in actual playstyle than from software games with the jobs and healer/tank/dps roles. It's very disingenuous to act like they could ever "sand it down to just one".

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Psst - A cold take is usually the opposite of a hot one, meaning that a cold take is generally a well accepted opinion. This wasn't a cold take. To say that the rigid rotation style of gameplay, near zero gearing choices, cookie cutter tank and healer designs, is "customization," is just blatantly wrong. Hilariously so.

You can't say the game let's you customize when there are no options to do so besides:

Equip a weapon for a new job
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You may either play correctly and well, or poorly. PLAYSTYLE CHOICES!

No. This game doesn't offer any form of playstyle choice outside of tank/healer CD management, and micro optimizations that only SOME of the jobs have.

Cold take? No. Unhinged take.

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Originally Posted by IOwn92FCHouses

Psst - A cold take is usually the opposite of a hot one, meaning that a cold take is generally a well accepted opinion. This wasn't a cold take. To say that the rigid rotation style of gameplay, near zero gearing choices, cookie cutter tank and healer designs, is "customization," is just blatantly wrong. Hilariously so.

You can't say the game let's you customize when there are no options to do so besides:

Equip a weapon for a new job
And
You may either play correctly and well, or poorly. PLAYSTYLE CHOICES!

No. This game doesn't offer any form of playstyle choice outside of tank/healer CD management, and micro optimizations that only SOME of the jobs have.

Cold take? No. Unhinged take.

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Yeah no, you clearly don't play from software games very much if you think they have more diverse playstyles than this game.

Also, the customization of the experience in this game is what job you pick as well as the type of content you engage in. Which is way more variance than from software games. There are 21 unique jobs and they all play extremely differently. From software games have more builds, but less difference between the builds and only really one role. At the end of the day no matter your build in those games, you are doing light attack, heavy attack, dodge roll. Timing changes, spacing changes, that's about it.