M4S has officially been beaten without healers in week 2

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Originally Posted by All_Nonsense

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xINq44-heQc

Please discuss.

....aaaaaaand post quick reply

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"Mr. President, M4S has officially been beaten without healers in week 2."

https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/...42/135/d81.jpg

and yet the majority of the playerbase couldnt even pass the heal checks, if they were able to bring 4 heals

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Originally Posted by ServerCollaps

and yet the majority of the playerbase couldnt even pass the heal checks, if they were able to bring 4 heals

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There are no heal checks in this game, there are mit checks. Which everyone in the group is responsible for. Then it's up to the healers to press a singular ogcd to resolve the actual healing part of it. wowza

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Originally Posted by ServerCollaps

and yet the majority of the playerbase couldnt even pass the heal checks, if they were able to bring 4 heals

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playerbase incompetent, make whole role into training wheels

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Originally Posted by GrimGale

playerbase incompetent, make whole role into training wheels

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Devs: ‘Best we can do is entire game on training wheels, Please Look Forward To Ittm

Here is an idea:

Make the DMG output of the bosses so negligible that people can clear current tiers and ultimates without tanks or healers.

obvious /s

What is there to discuss? There will always be top-tier players able to do things that the overwhelming majority of the playerbase have no chance at doing. It's happened in practically every game to ever exist. FF1 *has* been beaten with a party of only white mages (heck, it's been beaten with a *solo* white mage). FF9 has been beaten with all characters still at Level 1. There's an entire community dedicated to "speedrunning" games. Those feats are all impressive. They also mean absolutely nothing when it comes to the "design" of the game itself, because they're nowhere near the typical experience of normal players.

In a case like this, throw a DF group together into M4S (or any of the Arcadion fights) without a healer and watch what happens. What the "elite" can do isn't even worth discussing outside of a "congratulations to them."

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Originally Posted by Stabegabe

There are no heal checks in this game, there are mit checks. Which everyone in the group is responsible for. Then it's up to the healers to press a singular ogcd to resolve the actual healing part of it. wowza

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I mean, this isn't strictly true. This game actually has a recurring mechanic where everyone in the party will be reduced to 1 HP and given a Doom debuff which must be cleansed by healing to full. The only oGCD which can resolve that entirely on its own is Macrocosmos, and prior to level 90 content that mechanic does not trigger it, I assume because it's probably setting health to 1 manually rather than actually applying damage in older fights or something. (Fun fact you discover if you do Seat of Sacrifice EX unsynced to mount farm.)

Now, I'm not saying that is a difficult mechanic by any stretch of the imagination. (Or that healing in this game is remotely in a good place.)

But I am saying I've had to Vercure myself to safety as a RDM in Orbonne Monastery before because the healers couldn't make TG Cid's heal-to-full check due to seemingly thinking "I can just cast a single heal and call it good." So...

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Originally Posted by GrimGale

Tanks have more survivability than healers, can dish out (sufficient) healing without losing on damage AND have higher damage than healers.

Maybe it's time for Healers to be able to deal more damage than tanks to compensate for their frailty.

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I'm in favor! :D

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Originally Posted by ZephyrMenodora

I'd like to see this with Drk Knights, Brd, MCH, Sam, Drg, Ninja, Viper and BLM dps lol

It's a specific comp where everyone has healing, carried specifically with the overhealing PLD/WAR does, given they are half the group.

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This used to be my exact mentality, but at this point it's happened with too many different fights, not to mention only on week 2.

Between this, the 2 min meta and job homogenisation, the whole system is a mess and needs to be redone from the ground up

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

-elite players

-PF too stupid to do this

-can you do it

(/s just for safety)

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Originally Posted by Striker44

What is there to discuss? There will always be top-tier players able to do things that the overwhelming majority of the playerbase have no chance at doing. It's happened in practically every game to ever exist. FF1 *has* been beaten with a party of only white mages (heck, it's been beaten with a *solo* white mage). FF9 has been beaten with all characters still at Level 1. There's an entire community dedicated to "speedrunning" games. Those feats are all impressive. They also mean absolutely nothing when it comes to the "design" of the game itself, because they're nowhere near the typical experience of normal players.

In a case like this, throw a DF group together into M4S (or any of the Arcadion fights) without a healer and watch what happens. What the "elite" can do isn't even worth discussing outside of a "congratulations to them."

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SE white knights remain as predictable as usual.


As a side not imagine comparing the balance and self imposed challenge of a single player game and think its a valid example to justifiy the glaring issues of a multiplayer one