Luckybancho census shows criterion savage was a complete and utter failure

I have farmed every criterion for the mounts with my group but criterion savage just doesnt seem appealing to us. A no-death run to me should be something that is itself just an achievement rather than entire instance. Criterion savage tries so hard to be ultimate level combat but brings non of the innovations. It's some of the most punishing content ever but just tacked on to an existing raid. It could have been its own thing. Why isnt criterion savage an extended fight against the secret variant boss? uwu isnt just minstrels ballad: ultima's bane but with extra stats and no-death, why does criterion savage have to be?

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Originally Posted by sindriiisgaming

I'm still progging present box II in criterion. Perhaps others are aswell? Idk. But I don't think any1 will endure savage for that trash wep. I think savage is honestly way to hard. No deaths, limited reuses. Even ultimate isn't this bad

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It's similar to DRS imo, dying in there is 50/50 you'll get kicked out of the dungeon due to limited raises if a bunch of other people die at the same time as you.

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Originally Posted by Ath192

ugh people wanted Criterion dungeons to be Midcore - Savage. Not Free - savage - savage but more tedious.

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Exactly how i feel about it. it's just copypasted content that stat checks you harder, and in the absolute most unfun miserable way imaginable - i know so many hardcore raiders that don't bother with it, even completionists i know don't give a crap about it. i dont know why they didnt just add an achievement for doing normal criterion cleanly (like blu duels)

Which is funny since a there are some put there that say clearing this is more impressive than ultimates with better weapons. Yet nobody cares enough to do it.

So, the consensus is that Criterion is a failure because they took players at their word about "wanting something harder", when they actually meant "wanting something a little bit harder while expecting awards commensurate with the difficulty that will totally not draw players away from other Savage instances".

The telling bit about the luckybancho analysis is that it is based on "having the achievement and having it public". The current default on Lodestone is to make all of that information private.

And, of course, luckybancho ignores all players who have yet to reach level 70 in their analysis.

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Originally Posted by localareanetwork

https://old.reddit.com/r/ffxivdiscus...nsus_12242023/

there's nothing really to take away from here that hasn't already been said i just find it funny how if you removed crit savage overnight practically no one would notice. there's just no way they're satisfied with that, right?

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Square Enix probably is. FFXIV was always intended to be a "side game" that lets you play other games. It was originally planned as a "numbered Final Fantasy" game during a bygone era when that actually meant something. But considering the route FF16 went, there's not much prestige in that designation anymore. Square Enix is an easy-going company that isn't desperate for money, and they didn't expect FFXIV to still be this successful in 2023. If the game shut down tomorrow, most people at Square Enix would probably be fine because they're still hoarding money from FF7 which was made before all of the developers were geriatric.

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

This topic is right on btw but these claims that the game is in decline and slowly dying or even some going as far as saying its in maintenance mode, just stop lol

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Stormy with the good takes. There are things about the game that objectively need to change, criterion dungeons being one of them, that doesn't mean the game is dying.

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Originally Posted by caffe_macchiato

If the game shut down tomorrow, most people at Square Enix would probably be fine because they're still hoarding money from FF7 which was made before all of the developers were geriatric.

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In all reality, if CBU3 shut down permanently, the company would still make 90 billion yen per quarter from selling digital games (mobile, etc) and traditional video games.

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Originally Posted by DPZ2

So, the consensus is that Criterion is a failure because they took players at their word about "wanting something harder", when they actually meant "wanting something a little bit harder while expecting awards commensurate with the difficulty that will totally not draw players away from other Savage instances".

The telling bit about the luckybancho analysis is that it is based on "having the achievement and having it public". The current default on Lodestone is to make all of that information private.

And, of course, luckybancho ignores all players who have yet to reach level 70 in their analysis.

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They actually misheard when they listened to the players when they said they wanted some "long" and something "hard".

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Originally Posted by DPZ2

So, the consensus is that Criterion is a failure because they took players at their word about "wanting something harder", when they actually meant "wanting something a little bit harder while expecting awards commensurate with the difficulty that will totally not draw players away from other Savage instances".

The telling bit about the luckybancho analysis is that it is based on "having the achievement and having it public". The current default on Lodestone is to make all of that information private.

And, of course, luckybancho ignores all players who have yet to reach level 70 in their analysis.

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No one asked for hard content with no rewards, the only people who shouted that were the ones that never intend of doing hard content and shouted at SE, if you give more hard content, it can't have more rewards the can't are unable to get.

Its fools who think people asked for harder content with no rewards.